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[decaro]

ORIGINAL: garymc

Hey all!

Anyway, I can answer a few questions in regards to Midway (Sealion, I've not seen yet... so heh)

What's included in the game:
Pearl Harbor
Coral Sea
Midway
Eastern Solomons
Santa Cruz
Truk
Phillippine Sea

Those are the historical scenarios ...

This list is almost identical to that of CaW.

ORIGINAL: garymc

I've not played WoV, but Midway is not a WoV clone, it's a game unto itself.

To give you an idea of how a scenario might play, it goes like this.

One of the scenarios is a hypothetical "Battle of Wake Island", and it's good for this purpose. Say you're playing the US forces. That means you've got the USS Saratoga, and some escort ships.

Your first task is to ready a search. Once you have your search aircraft brought up from the hanger deck, you can then assign a search mission. So, for instance, you assign 14 SBDs from the VS group to a search arc of 190-310. Because the US VS groups are set up in pairs (as they did historically), you'll get 7 searches flying search patterns within that arc (generally to your west in that case).

Be sure to have your TF headed into the wind, and launch them ...

This is much more detailed than CaW, which was so seamless and uncomplicated in its execution that it may have lost some of the tension of its predecessor.

BTW, I had HPS WoME and its disapointng 'Canal sim.

[ezzler]

Very interesting.
As someone who loved Carrier Strike and was bored by CAW I hope Midway is more of the former.

The sealion does interest simply because its not another Bulge or Kursk.
Their Finest Hour Europa boardgame has to give A LOT of help to the Germans to let them have any chance at all of a successful attack . IIRC optional rules to have all the destroyers from Norway back. The German ships from '41 bought forward. + far less Ju52-Me 109 and para casualties in france than was the historical case.
But as a game it was quite knife edge once the Huns were ashore and if they got hold of a port.
A genuinely interesting, if extremely unlikely battle.

[Scott_WAR]

Does Midway have a campaign or is it just several scenarios?

[wworld7]

I think just scenarios.

I just ordered it (its been too long since I had a new game) and will give you a definative answer when I get it.

The weather today in Connecticut is very nice, sunshine, 50's makes for a nice Winter.[:)][:)][:)]

[Ashtur]

That's correct, no campaign mode, just the individual scenarios.

[Prince of Eckmühl]

ORIGINAL: garymc

That's correct, no campaign mode, just the individual scenarios.

Hi garymc,

There's an interesting document in the PDF files for your Guadalcanal update that's labeled user (the User's Manual). In looking it over, it appears as though the engine has been designed in such a way as to integrate air, sea and subsurface operations. If that's the case, can we assume that you're aiming for progressively more comprehensive simulations of naval warfare in the future?

[D.Ilse]

ORIGINAL: BAL

which the only complaint I have with is, no place names on the map.

Shift key will bring up place names. Shift-Alt will keep them on the screen.

[X(] didn't know that, and i printed out the whole manual and put it in a three ringed binder, not that i read the whole thing...

[Ashtur]

ORIGINAL: Prince of Eckmühl

ORIGINAL: garymc

That's correct, no campaign mode, just the individual scenarios.

Hi garymc,

There's an interesting document in the PDF files for your Guadalcanal update that's labeled user (the User's Manual). In looking it over, it appears as though the engine has been designed in such a way as to integrate air, sea and subsurface operations. If that's the case, can we assume that you're aiming for progressively more comprehensive simulations of naval warfare in the future?

There's already some submarine capability in the game. For instance, one of the scenarios is actually the day the Wasp was sunk.

As to further enhancements down the line... HPS is very tightlipped about what is to come down the pike. That said, what you've done in regards to reading documentation is generally a good indication of what John Tiller's working on in regards to the series.

[decaro]

ORIGINAL: garymc

I've not played WoV, but Midway is not a WoV clone, it's a game unto itself ...

Is its IJN OOB from Shatterered Sword, but if not, where did you get it from?

[Ashtur]

Generally on OOB's, there was a comparison based on various sources. As memory serves, the IJN one for Midway proper is based on Shattered Sword.

[Scott_WAR]

ORIGINAL: garymc

That's correct, no campaign mode, just the individual scenarios.

Oh well. That makes it a no buy for me.

[diablo1]

ORIGINAL: Scott_WAR

ORIGINAL: garymc

That's correct, no campaign mode, just the individual scenarios.

Oh well. That makes it a no buy for me.

I guess you won't be buying Battles from the Bulge or own Conquest of the Agean or Highway to the Reich?

[Adam Parker]

Matrix's CaW does it well - SO well, its just a shame that on release SSG forgot to add variations to its scenarios - that is the AI would always approach from the same spot etc.

They fixed this with the last patch so hopefully people will look to this again.

Thanks for the heads up on the Getting Started manual for Midway - Rich Hamilton does an exceptional job with his SDC site. I find it odd though that the manual states that running air ops in game is "complex". Let's hope that doesn't make it a non-selling point for the game. HPS deserves some business.

[Scott_WAR]

ORIGINAL: diablo1

ORIGINAL: Scott_WAR

ORIGINAL: garymc

That's correct, no campaign mode, just the individual scenarios.

Oh well. That makes it a no buy for me.

I guess you won't be buying Battles from the Bulge or own Conquest of the Agean or Highway to the Reich?

No, No, and No.

[ilovestrategy]

ORIGINAL: cmurphy625

I thought there was supposed to be an update so you wouldn't have to use your disks anymore... I have Antietan and Stalingrad, love em both, but a pain to have to find/take care of disks!!.... I've become so fond of the Digital Download Age!!

Same here. I've bought Oblivion off of Steam even though I have the original discs for that very reason.

[wodin]

Well Scotwar you sure are missing out on the Panther Games series. The reason for no campaign in these games is that our humble PC's arent up to the job at present.

[decaro]

ORIGINAL: garymc

Generally on OOB's, there was a comparison based on various sources. As memory serves, the IJN one for Midway proper is based on Shattered Sword.

That would be the latest and most accurate IJN OOB assessment; when CaW was first released, its Midway scenario had way too many Zero's.

[Scott_WAR]

ORIGINAL: wodin

Well Scotwar you sure are missing out on the Panther Games series. The reason for no campaign in these games is that our humble PC's arent up to the job at present.

Maybe so,...but I find scenarios extremely boring after one play through. Most games dont make things random,..or random ENOUGH, that there is any real replayability in them. Now a campaign can be different each time depending on how you play............

So it doesnt really matter how good a game is,....if it doesnt have a campaign it just isnt worth it to me,.....unless there is a large mulitplayer community,....which I have yet to find in any decent war game.

[wodin]

I do understand I also love a campaign myself....but I will for go it for the Panther Series.

[Sarge]

I disagree, in the operational setting ‘n scale as implemented in Panther’s titles at least HTTR I don’t see the need for a campaign.