Scenarios, Operation Weserübung, Battle of Britain, Case Red

[TPM]

Regarding a North African campaign scenario, I'm imagining something like Vic's version of the boardgame "Rommel in the Desert" (which, unfortunately, I've only played once)...it's not necessarily about moving a million units around, it's about nerve, outguessing your opponent, dealing the hard facts of the weather, terrain and supply, etc.

Anyway, good to hear that a couple of you agree with me...there's alot of us wargamers out here who actually want less units, not more. I'm still waiting for a slick computer East Front game with Corps, or even Army sized units...a game where I'm spending most of my time making the BIG decisions, and it won't take me a year to play...I'm definitely not coming down on those who dig that way of playing, I'm just saying that there are those of us who don't mind playing with less units, etc.

My 2 cents...

[dougb]

ORIGINAL: TPM

Regarding a North African campaign scenario, I'm imagining something like Vic's version of the boardgame "Rommel in the Desert" (which, unfortunately, I've only played once)...it's not necessarily about moving a million units around, it's about nerve, outguessing your opponent, dealing the hard facts of the weather, terrain and supply, etc.

Anyway, good to hear that a couple of you agree with me...there's alot of us wargamers out here who actually want less units, not more. I'm still waiting for a slick computer East Front game with Corps, or even Army sized units...a game where I'm spending most of my time making the BIG decisions, and it won't take me a year to play...I'm definitely not coming down on those who dig that way of playing, I'm just saying that there are those of us who don't mind playing with less units, etc.

My 2 cents...

Amen to that! There are quite a few boardgames set at corps and army level on the eastern front with fewer units and I find that it allows me more time to plan my strategy and moves and less time trying to figure out if I've forgotten to move the 415th Kitchen Battalion! Vic should check out No Retreat from Victory Point Games as a good example of the incredible gaming that can be created when the level moves up a bit higher. I agree that Vic's game system in the desert would be alot of fun - perhaps even more fun than even the Poland and France scenarios.

Those wishing for thousands of counters will have Grigby's War in the East. Here's a plea from another gamer who'd like a few less counters to push around!

Best wishes,

Doug

[TPM]

Amen to that! There are quite a few boardgames set at corps and army level on the eastern front with fewer units and I find that it allows me more time to plan my strategy and moves and less time trying to figure out if I've forgotten to move the 415th Kitchen Battalion! Vic should check out No Retreat from Victory Point Games as a good example of the incredible gaming that can be created when the level moves up a bit higher. I agree that Vic's game system in the desert would be alot of fun - perhaps even more fun than even the Poland and France scenarios.

Those wishing for thousands of counters will have Grigby's War in the East. Here's a plea from another gamer who'd like a few less counters to push around!

Best wishes,

Doug

Well, at the risk of beating a dead horse, just want to chime in and say that I have No Retreat, and it's exactly the type of game I'd like to see for PC...you're spending more time on the actual strategy (love your reference to Kitchen Battalion...yeah, nothing like diving in to your favorite WWII theatre, and spending most of your time moving around Railroad Repair batallions, or anti-aircraft batteries)...

...OK, now we're officially off topic, so I'll leave it here!

[D.Ilse]

ORIGINAL: Vic

ORIGINAL: WilliePete

ORIGINAL: Borsook

I still hope that we will see Norway in this game, Vic in the past has been a very dedicated devs, he's not he one to release a game and forget about it rushing into a next project. That said - Crete etc deserve a place in the next game, hopefully showing southern theatre of the war (1940-42)

Norway would be a good side scenario. I think the Germans fielded only 9 divisions, so its a good side mission, but not for a main title release. The Balkans is another good side scenario. Crete had at total of 15,000 Germans on it. Thats just one divison of three regiments and a few supporting units. At the current scale, try to imagine moving around only 3-5 units per side on a very small map... unless Vic scales down from regiments to maybe battalions, Crete is simply too small.

The Africa Campaign is good, and so is Normandy, Italy, The Bulge, and the main show - East Front. Drang nach Osten!

Scale yes.

Actually i had the feeling Africa is not well suited for the current scale used either. The Germans fielded at most 3 divisions (12 regiments) and the italians maybee 10-12 divisions, but most of those italian divs are only 2 regiment sized units. Thats maybe 30-40 units max... eh. It seems to me for the current scale as main big scenarios East Front, Normandy, Ardennes are best suited.

Best regards,
Vic

Correct on the Italian Divs, they were bineral(two regiments) vs the "Normal" Triangle(3 Regiments) or the Square(4 Regiments) of Infantry. The reason for this with the Italians was so Benito could fluff the size of his armour in the 1930s. But it proved to be a bad choice in the Italio-Greeco War..in the months before the Germans moved into the balkans.