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T05.

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Am bring this AAR up to date, Saper has agreed not to look at it.

T05 After recon.

NWest. Still no attack on Pskov. The Axis FBD is just past Balvi so no longer heading towards Leningrad.
Western. Have been pushed back 3 hexes in the north by PG4 and 2 hexes in the south by PG3.
SWest. Kiev has fallen and there should be enough infantry up to cross the Dnepr next turn.
Southern. Kremenchug falls to the third attack. No panzer divisions were used and they are within range to do an HQB.
The remnants of the L'Vov pocket are beginning to surrender without being attacked.
50 Corps disbanded this turn, another 20 or so to go.

Air war. 123 (mostly bombers) for 294 (all fighters).

Thoughts for the turn.
Will continue night bombing.
Western can fall back just enough to maintain a continuous line, most of my reinforcements need to go here.
On the Dnepr will fall back, am too concerned about a breakout at Kremenchug linking up with a river crossing at Kiev.


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RE: T05.

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T05 End.

Some heavy air combats, 133 (mostly fighters) for 594 (mostly LBs). Am happy to use my LBs as they are likely going to be disbanded when the trucks are needed. Still 2k in the pool.
Otherwise just retreat along the line and try to get as many units as possible allocated to armies.
Pull another couple of units out of Odessa.

If this were under the previous patch I think Axis could probably do me some serious damage next move, just depends if they have done a couple of HQBs at the danger areas. Am also missing 4 Armoured divisions, were last seen AGS two turns ago.


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T06

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T06 after recon.

Northern. Are holding the river line. Will see if the Finns assault next turn.
NWest. The FBD has started heading SW, so am guessing Axis are not going to make a push for Leningrad either through Pskov or north of lake Peipus.
Western. PG4 continues to push towards Rzhev. PG3 towards Vyazma. Just about all the armoured divisions have been used in attacks.
SWest and Southern. No attacks, the infantry move up to my front line.

No bombing or ground support this turn, the VVS fighters are doing their job.

Thoughts for the turn.
Will begin to thin out the defences around Pskov and move them East. Need a couple more units on the Narva but otherwise will look to shift NWest front towards defending Moscow. I don't think Leningrad is under serious threat unless Axis begin pushing north next turn.
In front of Moscow will pull back one hex, terrain permitting. Will bring as many reinforcing divisions as possible up to start building entrenchments.
In the south will fall back to the next river line to create a two hex gap.
Just five units left from the T1 pockets.


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T06.

Airbase bombing scores 76 fighters for 470 LBs.
Am holding most of the line in the centre will see if Axis can pocket anything. Between Bryansk and Gomel I have almost no troops so they could just advance through there if they have the fuel.
SWestern front is also very weak in the north if they switch direction , some of the AGS panzers should have good fuel and there are a few that I have not spotted.


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T07

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T07 after recon.

The Finns have stopped at the river in the north and are not attacking.
Northern. Have had a unit trapped west of the Narva, looks like a couple of infantry divisions there. Will have to make a solid defensive line.
In front of Pskov there are what looks like about three infantry divisions.
Western. The three panzer armies have pushed forwards, trapping six divisions. Even with the +1 can see no chance of relieving them so will have to fall back.
SWest. Axis infantry follow up the retreat.
Southern. Axis advanced 4 hexes of attacks just with armour divisions, six units pocketed. Again there is no chance to relieve them.

Air war. 64 assorted for 160 fighters. No airbase bombing, Axis did get some ground support working for AGC.

Thoughts for the move.
Not a good move for me in front of Moscow. Will continue to fall back and bring up what reinforcements are available.
In the south will fall back again, my main concern is to stop a break out by a panzer spearhead so for the moment although I have lost 6 divisions the situation is under control.


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T07

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T07.
Situation at the end of the turn.


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T08

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T08 after recon
North have been pushed back a hex at the Narva. Need to send another unit here. Talinn falls.
NWest. A couple of units pushed back but not followed up.
Western. Pushed back about 2 hexes.
Reserve. Pushed back a hex in the north and three in the south.
SWest & Southern Just followed up.

Air war. 85 for 176 fighters.

Thoughts for the turn.
No new pockets this turn ! Axis armour in front of Moscow is in three pods with the Southern one threatening a breakout.
Will to continue to garrison around Pskov with armour units and move the infantry further East.
In the centre will fall back a hex.
In the south will continue the retreat. Am just covering my cities enough to get the industry out so far.
Will ship a couple of cavalry units in to Odessa and see how many units have been left as a covering force.



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RE: T08

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T08 end
Moscow area - am trying to hold some ground in the North, Very thin south of Kaluga but so far his tactics have been to push through the front line rather than go around it.

Air war. Heavy this turn, 84 fighters for 590 bombers. Am down to about 1600 LBs in the pool and would take about 1000 of those to fill up my active units. However have about 1000 modern fighters in the pool and started building new units this turn. Moving some of the air bases around so all the Fronts around Moscow will have some fighter cover.


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T09

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T09 after recon.
North & NWest. A few attacks and a few hexes lost, some losses and a few wins.
Western. Pushed back another couple of rows.
Reserve. Axis have made a strong advance. First they bombed the Reserve airbases, then broke through the front line and captured Tula, overrunning my airbases in the process and getting about 100 fighters on the ground.
SWest. Infantry just advance up to my line.
Southern. Another breakthrough here, capturing Gorlovka and cutting the rail line from Stalino.

Air war. 96 for 322 fighters.

Thoughts on the turn. The good news is have had no units pocketed and have not lost too much ground in front of Moscow. The bad news is my front has been broken in two places and some 60 industry lost. Have no experience beyond mid '42 for Soviets but think I may be OK as long as I do not lose much more. Credit to Saper, he has used a change in tactics (my guess is there were a couple of HQBs used) and the hardest opponent is one who does the unpredictable.
Looking at the spearheads I don’t think I can do any damage to either of them so will just cut them off from supplies and continue the retreat.


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RE: T09

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Nice continued fighter kills you are getting how many of them single seat Germans bud?

How are your ground losses looking?

Shame about the industry those are unfortunate losses
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RE: T09

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Not looking good for the soviets....but then as I have been saying for awhile now, they have made the Germans far to good in the hands of a player with skill.
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Not looking good for the soviets....but then as I have been saying for awhile now, they have made the Germans far to good in the hands of a player with skill.
So you think it is looking terminal for the Soviets.
Having never played past early '42 I don't know where I should at at this stage to have hopes of making a comeback later in the game.
It looks like Moscow is a lost cause in '41, probable Axis will be up to the city by around T13 or so and expect it to fall before the mud. Would hope to hold Leningrad and have some sort of defensive line south of Moscow.
Here are the losses at the start of T10, have had about 20 unis pocketed apart from the inevitable ones at the start of the game.

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RE: T09

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I think you are looking pretty solid and set up for a good game if you keep it up

The Moscow situation sucks for sure but his brute punch seems to be grinding down his armoured & fighters while your are looking strong in those areas without seeing select pools and losses
Manpower is also good but it's at the dangerous stage where that can change

Lenin would be great for you as it's always a drain having to station corps in the area there without the Finns

Good job!
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The Moscow situation sucks for sure but his brute punch seems to be grinding down his armoured & fighters while your are looking strong in those areas without seeing select pools and losses
His manpower losses are low, don't think his fighting power has been reduced hardly at all, except perhaps the Panzer divisions down a little. Despite my hammering his fighters he has still been able to maintain a good level of ground support, so long term it is helping the VVS but in the short term my air force is not helping the ground war much.



T09

Air war. 50 fighters for 330 LBs.

Retreat as planned, am trying to hold ground in the northern area of the front to the west of Moscow, just hope Axis have no HQBs in the area.
Couple of German divisions moving towards Odessa so expecting an attack there.
Another 8 fighters built.
Looking at progress so far I expect Moscow to be reached around T12 and to fall before the mud. Just need to make sure it is not too easy to that the panzers are not free to go attacking elsewhere.


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RE: T09

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Cheers for the context bud

Well hopefully the effects will start to show and slow him in 42 but I am sure Saper is well aware of his panzer grinding

Perhaps the effects of their losses isn't too important long term either as the early itterations he is losing phase out it will be simple enough to replenish with better tanks in the long term?
You would know that infinitely better than I do though Tyronec so a complete guess on my part

I do wonder why he isn't being more conversative with his airforce though he could just be going for a 41 win and hit your industry before just incase it doesn't happen?
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RE: T09

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I do wonder why he isn't being more conversative with his airforce though he could just be going for a 41 win and hit your industry before just incase it doesn't happen?

(It looks to me the airbases are spreed out single stack but that could be just the recon of the hexes)

The air loses are not sustainable for the Germans. I'm curious if he Sapper did anything to combat the Russian bombers/fighters or he is just taking the losses on the chin. So Tyronec having been on both sides of the fence now with the Air War what are your comments? Still the same as before? You have a pretty hefty total so far.

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RE: T09

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Yeah with 509 single seats gone + What is gone this turn I imagine it can't be long until degradation starts as Tyronec is saying that GS is still undettered for Saper
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(It looks to me the airbases are spreed out single stack but that could be just the recon of the hexes)

The air loses are not sustainable for the Germans. I'm curious if he Sapper did anything to combat the Russian bombers/fighters or he is just taking the losses on the chin. So Tyronec having been on both sides of the fence now with the Air War what are your comments? Still the same as before? You have a pretty hefty total so far.
Several army bases spread out, the fighters are generally stacked. The limiting factor for me is LBs , am not getting to bomb all the possible target stacks.
Looks to me like he is just fighting back at night, though the fighters are further away now
Guess he is willing to sacrifice a lot of the Luftwaffe to make better gains in the ground war.
No change in my attitude to the air war, VVS is far too good in '41. However the Panzers are also too good. It is a game, not a simulation - no one would ever expect an atheist not to use their Bishop in a game of chess !
Am not sure when I will be able to go over to fighter sweeps and day bombing, having never had a game go like this before, but guess it will be some time yet.
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RE: T09

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no one would ever expect an atheist not to use their Bishop in a game of chess !

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RE: T09

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(It looks to me the airbases are spreed out single stack but that could be just the recon of the hexes)

The air loses are not sustainable for the Germans. I'm curious if he Sapper did anything to combat the Russian bombers/fighters or he is just taking the losses on the chin. So Tyronec having been on both sides of the fence now with the Air War what are your comments? Still the same as before? You have a pretty hefty total so far.
Several army bases spread out, the fighters are generally stacked. The limiting factor for me is LBs , am not getting to bomb all the possible target stacks.
Looks to me like he is just fighting back at night, though the fighters are further away now
Guess he is willing to sacrifice a lot of the Luftwaffe to make better gains in the ground war.
No change in my attitude to the air war, VVS is far too good in '41. However the Panzers are also too good. It is a game, not a simulation - no one would ever expect an atheist not to use their Bishop in a game of chess !
Am not sure when I will be able to go over to fighter sweeps and day bombing, having never had a game go like this before, but guess it will be some time yet.

Thank you! Ya, I think you are probably correct in your statements here. Panzers are too strong & night bombing is too powerful. Nice comment on the Bishop ;-}
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