VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome)

[HardLuckYetAgain]

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Whelp, now on to the Southern front. Don't know how much of this I'm getting done tonight since I have to be extremely careful on my moves. Why? Well you will just have to wait and I will show you why

So M60 got lucky with the random number generator and some high defense value up front I need to force retreat the 5=25 SE then follow up hasty attack to force this SW after that so my infantry can go "deep" latter on. I also will have these units attack the 4=8 to the NE. The 17=2 is placed in this location to have the units retreat where I want them to. That 17=2 will move SE along the rail after the 5=25 is forced to retreat to keep having it retreat where I want it to I'm sure everyone knows all of this.

[HardLuckYetAgain]

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Whelp, now on to the Southern front. Don't know how much of this I'm getting done tonight since I have to be extremely careful on my moves. Why? Well you will just have to wait and I will show you why

So M60 got lucky with the random number generator and some high defense value up front I need to force retreat the 5=25 SE then follow up hasty attack to force this SW after that so my infantry can go "deep" latter on. I also will have these units attack the 4=8 to the NE. The 17=2 is placed in this location to have the units retreat where I want them to. That 17=2 will move SE along the rail after the 5=25 is forced to retreat to keep having it retreat where I want it to I'm sure everyone knows all of this.

Please keep in mind I have done no other bombing beside that in the Rumanian front. I have all planes set on Night ops except for a couple of bomber squadrons to help with ground support and 1 fighter squadron. (I did use those bombers to take out some pesky Soviet Recon before giving them ground support roles.

[HardLuckYetAgain]

Now we get to the fun part. After a few other preliminary attacks we come to this snap shot of 6 air bases that will be taken out by just the STG-77. Please note that the North airbase will be unit bombed first then airfield bombed because if you don't do it in that order you can not later unit bomb the hex. So if you ever find yourself in that situation make sure to unit bomb first

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And here are the lucky guys with the task of "Exterminating" the airplanes on these six bases.

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Germany is all about "finesse" (the verb meaning). You have to do a great deal with so little. I also make it a habit of "exterminating" everything in the center and north to get the Infantry moving to the front. The more you lally gag around in the back the longer you are not productive.

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And here are the lucky guys with the task of "Exterminating" the airplanes on these six bases.

Please note that you can see the fighter base 2 hexes to the NW of the Ju-87 base under the HQ.

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These JU87 pilots don't mess around. Boy do they mean business, like some angry hornets. They get an A+++ for "extermination" of Soviet airplanes. 1 group has over 500 kills already, lol

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And another snap shot, I figured two is enough.

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Here is the running Air total loss so far. Only the Rumanian front and the 6 airbases circled in a previous post has been done. I still have all other bombers still avail. But more fun looks like it is going to have to wait. Need to get to bed since it is almost 12 midnight here. I figured to do a play by play on the first turn to give newer people a look at something different. If you want more or less let me know since I can do either.

[HardLuckYetAgain]

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And another snap shot, I figured two is enough.

Oh, and those JU87 did all the air bases with plenty of milage to spare for some good ground support ;-}. (30% is max for airbase bombing)

[Tomcat84]

That is only slightly fewer kills than I had on my whole first turn on all fronts lol

Of course that was before I had any clue on how to efficiently move bases forward etc. but this is (to me mr noob) interesting stuff. Thanks, look forward to the continuation (sleep is a bit of a lame excuse, the war does not wait! )

[HardLuckYetAgain]

ORIGINAL: Tomcat84

That is only slightly fewer kills than I had on my whole first turn on all fronts lol

Of course that was before I had any clue on how to efficiently move bases forward etc. but this is (to me mr noob) interesting stuff. Thanks, look forward to the continuation (sleep is a bit of a lame excuse, the war does not wait! )

Welllllllllll, I went to bed, gave the wife some attention and tried to sleep. I couldn't........ So I came back to the computer to try and work on the South's movement. I will give the overall picture of the south (it isn't done yet since I have a lot of misc movement but my grey matter muscle memory is coming back to me on what the Germans need to do. I can say 100% having "Better CV" is making this easy for me to tell when a unit will route and how much I need for an attack. So Far I have been able to get most routes into the swamp (where if they rally those tanks will take forever to get out of there or M60 will have to use rail or disband them). Without further ado here is what the South looks like as I head to bed. If people want to see details on the different combat I can probably post that too.

3 of these pockets should hold but you never know. M60 May get a lucky roll. Don't laugh I have seen it happen against me. Plus M60 and others that have played me know this setup in the South. If it wasn't for a pesky mech unit I would have had the large tank formation cut off from supply too. But I had a pesky Mech unit that in almost all other games routes or shatters on first hit. This one mech unit took a bit to get rid of

Let me know your thoughts

[Nix77]

That's nearly a perfect opening in the south! Having the 1st Cav as mechanized really helps to seal the fate of those big mechs east of Rovno.

Not sure it's a good thing though... The big Lvov pocket gives a huge head start for the Germans in the south, which is maybe a bit unhistorical. Kiev's gates and the Dnepr is usually breached way too early by an efficient German player with a good opening. But whatever, that's how I would do it

[lastkozak]

Hmmm....

1) Would love a copy of that file, so I can see what the Soviets can do on their first turn!
2) Question, how many times have you run through that first Turn in the south, to perfect that opening?
3) How many times did the Germans get to rehearse/practice their first few days of the invasion?
4) The Germans never had 100% recon, yet bc every player has seen the Soviet set up, and they get to try the German opening move multiple times, and the Soviets are always in the exact same positions, making victory easier and easier for a German player.
5) What if the game started after a historical 1st turn by the Germans? How would the game play out then?

[HardLuckYetAgain]

ORIGINAL: lastkozak

Hmmm....

1) Would love a copy of that file, so I can see what the Soviets can do on their first turn!
2) Question, how many times have you run through that first Turn in the south, to perfect that opening?
3) How many times did the Germans get to rehearse/practice their first few days of the invasion?
4) The Germans never had 100% recon, yet bc every player has seen the Soviet set up, and they get to try the German opening move multiple times, and the Soviets are always in the exact same positions, making victory easier and easier for a German player.
5) What if the game started after a historical 1st turn by the Germans? How would the game play out then?

It all depends on how much the Soviets want to commit, then loose those too . This has been my standard opening for Germany for awhile now. The Cavalry unit being Mech now just means I clear a few more hexes for the coming turn is all. But I can tell you Lastkozak you bunch up on me like you did in your game you may not like the results

I'm not going to get into the "historical" and "non-historical" part about the move. But I will say if you are a "historical" person looking for a historical game against me there are two ways of doing so. 1st put in the so called house rules limiting such action. I actually did this in my first game with M60 & I'm sure he still has the email (he declined and we went with a standard game) The 2nd way is just don't play me because I will more than likely not leave you happy historically. I don't mean this to be rude or anything I'm just saying I'm going to push these little pixels to the max to get the best benefit from them. EOL (end of line)

Again I'm not trying to be rude

[HardLuckYetAgain]

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ORIGINAL: lastkozak

Hmmm....

1) Would love a copy of that file, so I can see what the Soviets can do on their first turn!
2) Question, how many times have you run through that first Turn in the south, to perfect that opening?
3) How many times did the Germans get to rehearse/practice their first few days of the invasion?
4) The Germans never had 100% recon, yet bc every player has seen the Soviet set up, and they get to try the German opening move multiple times, and the Soviets are always in the exact same positions, making victory easier and easier for a German player.
5) What if the game started after a historical 1st turn by the Germans? How would the game play out then?

It all depends on how much the Soviets want to commit, then loose those too . This has been my standard opening for Germany for awhile now. The Cavalry unit being Mech now just means I clear a few more hexes for the coming turn is all. But I can tell you Lastkozak you bunch up on me like you did in your game you may not like the results

I'm not going to get into the "historical" and "non-historical" part about the move. But I will say if you are a "historical" person looking for a historical game against me there are two ways of doing so. 1st put in the so called house rules limiting such action. I actually did this in my first game with M60 & I'm sure he still has the email . 2nd way is just don't play me because I will more than likely not leave you happy historically. I don't mean this to be rude or anything I'm just saying I'm going to push these little pixels to the max to get the best benefit from them. EOL (end of line)

Again I'm not trying to be rude

Here is a picture of a game last year that someone wanted to get up close and personal in the south and the end of my 2nd turn. Didn't work out well in the south for him. Remember the Germans are almost "full" of fuel on the 2nd turn and even a surrounded German unit will have very good movement.

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Here is another with a semi defense up front. Same result, more lost units needlessly imo. See I'm after your units and you put them up there I will gobble them up.

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Her is another. (I have many many more if you want them) Again there is a limit of how many Soviet units can be lost & still hold a viable front. I aim to deprive you of that total 1st and foremost. Not to mention the destroyed units have to refit, train up, and walk back to the front (or use up the rail net). As a Soviet you are walking a very sharp razor edge & I'm going to try may darnest to nudge you just enough to make you fall and cut yourself in half on that knife.


(P.S. sorry about the quality I'm on a different computer at the moment)

[HardLuckYetAgain]

This was M60's reply to that opening last time. IMO it was the right thing to do considering he would have more than likely lost anything that was put up against me. But I have seen both up close and retreat away. I'm after your units leave them for me to "exterminate" at your own pearl.

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Yes, anyone that has played me knows I recon like crazy to find units marked for "extermination" along with my dreaded arrow pointing to my objective. I have yet to decide to do such an arrow in this game yet. Time will tell. But here was the arrow in M60's game last time.