Tournament Proposal

[rhinobones]

Larry von Fulk

Maybe I’ve misunderstood. When I read “tournament” I think of 3 or more players playing multiple mirrored games. Your last post seemed to indicate that the tournament was only between you and one other player. Is that right?

Your last posts also indicates that other players seem to be interested in participating. Suggest that you open the tournament to all players who are able/willing to abide by the rules of turn-around by XX number of hours or days.

First thing you need to do is document the scenarios to be played, points for scenario victory conditions, how payers will be matched, and the ultimate tournament victory condition.

If you need help setting up the matches, assigning matches or kicking out delinquents, I can help.

Regards, RhinoBones

[larryfulkerson]

Larry von Fulk:
Maybe I’ve misunderstood. When I read “tournament” I think of 3 or more players playing multiple mirrored games. Your last post seemed to indicate that the tournament was only between you and one other player. Is that right?
No, of course it's for everybody. The more the better. I was just refering to my success ( maybe ) to round up an opponent for this project, Brian. He's working on a spreadsheet for us to use to keep track of all the opponents and the victory points for the two mirrored games and the total points they have earned so far, etc.


Your last posts also indicates that other players seem to be interested in participating. Suggest that you open the tournament to all players who are able/willing to abide by the rules of turn-around by XX number of hours or days.
Yes of course.

First thing you need to do is document the scenarios to be played, points for scenario victory conditions, how payers will be matched, and the ultimate tournament victory condition.

If you need help setting up the matches, assigning matches or kicking out delinquents, I can help.
That would be great Steve dude. More willing hands would be great. I say let's put you in charge....Tournament master, Ringmaster, ladder daddy, etc.


Regards, RhinoBones
Good to hear from you by the way.

[rhinobones]

To be clear, I'm offering to help you conduct a tournament. I do not intend to run it. That headache is all yours!


Regards

[larryfulkerson]

Hey you guys Brian ( General Patton ) constructed a spreadsheet for us to
use for the tournament. I've already entered my name as one of the
participants. I've attached it here below for others to add their names
and then zip it back up and reattach it to this thread.

[larryfulkerson]

Here's what Brian's spreadsheet looks like:

[rhinobones]

Brackets look good, but what do you do if there are 6 or 9 players? In that case your single round knock-out bracket will not work. That’s not unusual though, brackets typically need to be “tweaked” after the total number of players is known.

One suggestion for the first round would be to select two relatively short scenarios and have each player play four games. Two as side 1 and two as side 2. Opponents would be matched randomly from the available pool. The four players with the best results would go on to mirrored games in semi-final and final rounds.

The concept behind the first round is that everyone has an opportunity to enjoy multiple games and, so long as you have at least five players, it doesn’t matter how many entrants you have. You will also need to publish your criteria for scoring prior to the commencing the tournament.

One last point is that the match ups, scenarios and sides played should be known beforehand so that players can have multiple games going at one time. This helps to cut down the calendar length of the tournament.

Regards, RhinoBones

[Cfant]

Why 4 games?if someone wants to enjoy multiple games he always can play a pbem?

[rhinobones]

ORIGINAL: Cfant

Why 4 games?if someone wants to enjoy multiple games he always can play a pbem?

I didn’t specify in my earlier post, but all tournament games are PBM games. So, to answer your question, yes, the first round of four games are intended to be PBM. Actually, all games are to be PBM.

I suggested 4 games based on experience. Seems that if the first round is much over 4 games players tend to go AWOL or have personal reasons to drop out. If the owners of the tournament want more than 4 games, I certainly have no objection and will continue with my support. However it turns out, wish the gamers an enjoyable competition.

Regards, RhinoBones

[Cfant]

Yes, I know the tournament will be Pbem. I would keep it easy. 1vs.1 from round 1. But Larry can decide that after we know how many people will take part. I also wouldn't say which scenario is to be played. Otherwise over-amibtious players could test them out a lot.

By the way, I only have winrar, and cannot upload it. Why not just mail you, if I want to take part, Larry?

[larryfulkerson]

ORIGINAL: Cfant

Yes, I know the tournament will be Pbem. I would keep it easy. 1vs.1 from round 1. But Larry can decide that after we know how many people will take part. I also wouldn't say which scenario is to be played. Otherwise over-amibtious players could test them out a lot.

By the way, I only have winrar, and cannot upload it. Why not just mail you, if I want to take part, Larry?

Yes, by all means. fulkersonlarry60(at)gmail(dot)com

I've been thinking about it you guys and I think we need just one simple scenario of at least 10 turns and play two
mirror games to T10 and high victory points wins. That's the rules. I'm thinking about the scenario now....it's got to be one that nobody has ever played before for fairness's sake and I'd like it to be "interesting" but that's not a game stopper. I'm making a list of scenario's for consideration....anybody have a favorite? Forget about it.

[Cfant]

Cool job, Larry! Maybe Matrix can make a banner (Call to Arms ) And pin the topic? I also would set a deadline.

@rhinobones: I like your idea, it is more fair, but I think it will take longer to execute then a 1vs.1.

[larryfulkerson]

Cfant just sent me an email that he would like to take part so everybody say HI to
Cfant. Um.....he brought up a good point. If I'm going to choose the scenario it
would look "funny" for me to take part in the contest. The optics aren't ideal. So I'm going to
recuse myself from the contest and post the scenario here below sometime withing the next two hours
and the list of participants can post themselves here below so we know who's playing who and we'll
be on our way.

[larryfulkerson]

double post sorry

[Tamas]

Oh come on guys, let Larry play.

If you have agreed on all the rules and such, if you make a new thread to call for participants I'd be happy to sticky it to the top.

Edit: or we can sticky this thread, if you prefer.

[Cfant]

Caligula is my account and I never said anything like that. Larry came on with that by his own. Honorable but unnecessary in my opinion 🙂 I am from the pro larry takes part in the competition faction 😉

[hingram]

Or people could pick their own scenarios

[Ammann]

Very good idea .... I would be there too

[larryfulkerson]

ORIGINAL: hingram
Or people could pick their own scenarios

I suppose it really doesn't matter which scenario is used for the
individual mirror games, the problem with not using the same scenario
is that the victory points for each of the matches won't "match" because
of the use of different scenarios. One team has VP's that are weighted
heavier than the other team's VP's. One team has VP's that matter more
than the other team's VP's. We won't be able to tell who the next matchup
should have in it because it may not be evenly matched because we can't
tell by looking at the VP's the separate teams earned. It's probably
close enough though, maybe.

[larryfulkerson]

ORIGINAL: Tamas
Oh come on guys, let Larry play.

If you have agreed on all the rules and such, if you make a new thread to call for participants I'd be happy to sticky it to the top.

Edit: or we can sticky this thread, if you prefer.

I would prefer we make a new thread to call for participants because this one is our first rough draft. And thank you Tamas dude.

[btd64]

Larry, I've been thinking about this for a while now and I think you'll agree; we use the same scenario and the first 8 players get to play. If this works out then we will expand the number of players. Also all players will play both sides once. Then the final 2 players will play both sides and total up the Victory points to determine the winner....GP