Seagull shortage

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: inqistor

Hmm, interesting.

Curtiss SOC Seagull was supposed to be replaced by Curtiss SO3C Seamew, of which 795 were build (two times as much, as Seagulls). But plane was considered a failure, and was removed from front line by 1944, and Seagulls were returned back to duty.
There is Seamew plane in game, but it have whooping production of 4 for one month.

Vought OS2U Kingfisher was replaced by Curtiss SC Seahawk, of which 577 were build, beginning delivery on 22 October 1944, but I don't see such plane in database. And neither Seagull, or Kingfisher upgrade to anything.

In Stock scenarios the SOC upgrades to the Kingfisher. No problems there and the Kingfisher is a very good float plane. Crews especially like how you can grow tomatoes in the greenhouse canopy - does wonders for morale!

[HansBolter]

ORIGINAL: inqistor

Hmm, interesting.

Curtiss SOC Seagull was supposed to be replaced by Curtiss SO3C Seamew, of which 795 were build (two times as much, as Seagulls). But plane was considered a failure, and was removed from front line by 1944, and Seagulls were returned back to duty.
There is Seamew plane in game, but it have whooping production of 4 for one month.

Vought OS2U Kingfisher was replaced by Curtiss SC Seahawk, of which 577 were build, beginning delivery on 22 October 1944, but I don't see such plane in database. And neither Seagull, or Kingfisher upgrade to anything.

In game the Seamews have a greater range than the Kingfishers and so I find them appealing.

I have them operating from the Langley and sure would love to have 795 of them in the pool.

[jcjordan]

In my personal scenario I've been working on, I remedy the Seamew rates plus add in the Seahawk. In my stock games, I've not had problems filling out my seaplane units except early war when the allies are screaming for any & all planes by midwar my units are fine w/ a fair amount of replacements on hand & it gets better when most of the 18 plane Kingfisher units withdraw/upgrade.

[Lokasenna]

ORIGINAL: HansBolter

ORIGINAL: btd64

ORIGINAL: HansBolter

Many of my 18 capacity Kingfisher squadrons are still unfilled in early '45 due to the paucity of airframes for the squadrons that need them.

Many of these squadrons can upgrade to SBD-5's....GP

Yes, but in March of '45 I already have way more land based SBDs than I have a use for.


Probably makes sense to copnvert anyway to free up Kingfishers for my CLs.

Yeah, this.

[Lokasenna]

ORIGINAL: jcjordan

In my personal scenario I've been working on, I remedy the Seamew rates plus add in the Seahawk. In my stock games, I've not had problems filling out my seaplane units except early war when the allies are screaming for any & all planes by midwar my units are fine w/ a fair amount of replacements on hand & it gets better when most of the 18 plane Kingfisher units withdraw/upgrade.

I've never noticed a problem with my USN float plane units not having enough planes, except perhaps some of the Kingfisher units which I refused to fill out.

For Seagulls, there were always plenty. But I really do not use them for anything except recon for bombardment missions. They are too few and too short-legged to be useful; any job they would do other than bombardment spotting is already being performed by more capable aircraft.

[geofflambert]

ORIGINAL: Anachro

ORIGINAL: BillBrown
I grew up on the coast of Southern California, I hate Seagulls.

A fellow Southern Californian. Where on the coast? Out in Santa Clarita where I grew up, in the high desert, Seagulls were a myth. [8D]

Remember the story of the Mormons in Utah, the locusts and the seagulls. Not a myth.

[CaptBeefheart]

The one thing late game Allied floatplanes are good for is bombardment recon, so it is nice if the pools don't run out.

I went to junior high in Irvine, CA, near MCAS El Toro, which was very cool for the air show in the years prior to "Top Gun" (i.e. it had about 20,000 attendees vs. 250,000), although less cool having F-4s and A-4s on approach near your house (engines were loud in those days). Anyway, I was surprised at how these California schools had no cafeterias, so you actually had to eat lunch outside on picnic benches. Unfortunately, this attracted gazillions of marine pigeons (i.e. seagulls) as kids would get angry at the birds, throw food at the birds, miss the birds, and then the birds would eat the food thrown at them and multiply. It was a vicious, vicious cycle. I recall getting beaned on the head once, so I did better than most of my classmates.

Cheers,
CB

[geofflambert]

ORIGINAL: CaptBeefheart

The one thing late game Allied floatplanes are good for is bombardment recon, so it is nice if the pools don't run out.

I went to junior high in Irvine, CA, near MCAS El Toro, which was very cool for the air show in the years prior to "Top Gun" (i.e. it had about 20,000 attendees vs. 250,000), although less cool having F-4s and A-4s on approach near your house (engines were loud in those days). Anyway, I was surprised at how these California schools had no cafeterias, so you actually had to eat lunch outside on picnic benches. Unfortunately, this attracted gazillions of marine pigeons (i.e. seagulls) as kids would get angry at the birds, throw food at the birds, miss the birds, and then the birds would eat the food thrown at them and multiply. It was a vicious, vicious cycle. I recall getting beaned on the head once, so I did better than most of my classmates.

Cheers,
CB

Eh, eh ... what's that you say sonny?

[geofflambert]

Ah, the good old days ... When the women were better looking and I knew what the heck trigonometry was, and quadratic equations. I remember once upon a time, you could diagram sentences, a lost art now. I remember they taught us about the "greenhouse effect". They could measure it, back in those days. Now it's all a hoax.

[geofflambert]

How many here can still use a slide rule? It was like magic to me then. It's like the astrolabe of my time.

[HansBolter]

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

ORIGINAL: jcjordan

In my personal scenario I've been working on, I remedy the Seamew rates plus add in the Seahawk. In my stock games, I've not had problems filling out my seaplane units except early war when the allies are screaming for any & all planes by midwar my units are fine w/ a fair amount of replacements on hand & it gets better when most of the 18 plane Kingfisher units withdraw/upgrade.

I've never noticed a problem with my USN float plane units not having enough planes, except perhaps some of the Kingfisher units which I refused to fill out.

For Seagulls, there were always plenty. But I really do not use them for anything except recon for bombardment missions. They are too few and too short-legged to be useful; any job they would do other than bombardment spotting is already being performed by more capable aircraft.

I train mine in ASW and use them in that role, especially on cruisers escorting carriers as their floatplanes contribute little to the TF naval search effort.

[Lokasenna]

ORIGINAL: geofflambert

ORIGINAL: CaptBeefheart

The one thing late game Allied floatplanes are good for is bombardment recon, so it is nice if the pools don't run out.

I went to junior high in Irvine, CA, near MCAS El Toro, which was very cool for the air show in the years prior to "Top Gun" (i.e. it had about 20,000 attendees vs. 250,000), although less cool having F-4s and A-4s on approach near your house (engines were loud in those days). Anyway, I was surprised at how these California schools had no cafeterias, so you actually had to eat lunch outside on picnic benches. Unfortunately, this attracted gazillions of marine pigeons (i.e. seagulls) as kids would get angry at the birds, throw food at the birds, miss the birds, and then the birds would eat the food thrown at them and multiply. It was a vicious, vicious cycle. I recall getting beaned on the head once, so I did better than most of my classmates.

Cheers,
CB

Eh, eh ... what's that you say sonny?

They still are, or at least were until the F-16 was retired from even Guard service.

We had a unit of F-16s based in Des Moines. They'd be used by the Guard on exercises every couple of weeks. It was fairly routine to have to wait to finish talking until after they'd finished flying over, a few thousand feet or a mile up. Very loud, about as loud as standing at the back of a big rock concert.

[HansBolter]

30 years ago or so I played in an architects softball league that held its games at a field complex next to MacDill Air Force base, jut past the end of the runway.


The F16s would take off and immediatley go into a vertcial climb directly over the field.


Absolutely spectacular!

[btd64]

If I had some time I would park on the side of the road near Peace Air Force Base and watch the B-52's take off or land. If I was lucky....GP

[wegman58]

ORIGINAL: geofflambert

How many here can still use a slide rule? It was like magic to me then. It's like the astrolabe of my time.

The Gorn is showing its age.

I remember as a junior in High School (spring - 1975) Brother James telling us all this would be the last time he would teach this - and pulled out the slide rule.

My father sold radiopharmaceuticals at the time (barium enemas are a REAL thing) and I had a circular slide rule of my own that survived many moves (I did 25 years in the Navy, lost it at some point).

[HansBolter]

ORIGINAL: wegman58

ORIGINAL: geofflambert

How many here can still use a slide rule? It was like magic to me then. It's like the astrolabe of my time.

The Gorn is showing its age.

I remember as a junior in High School (spring - 1975) Brother James telling us all this would be the last time he would teach this - and pulled out the slide rule.

My father sold radiopharmaceuticals at the time (barium enemas are a REAL thing) and I had a circular slide rule of my own that survived many moves (I did 25 years in the Navy, lost it at some point).

My father was a structural steel detailer and I grew up with drafting tools in my hands..likley the reason I became an architect.


Dad had a slide rule and taught me how to use it as a youngster. I used it in school until electronic calculators became available.


Can't find the damn thing now and wouldn't remember how to use it anyway.