Moderator: MOD_Command
ORIGINAL: BDukes
ORIGINAL: boogabooga
ORIGINAL: BDukes
Short-range ballistic missile attacks on SAM sites and airbases. Scuds, Spiders, etc.
On a more serious note, the 1989 timeframe of this scenario would be well after the INF Treaty, so their absence is justifiable on historical grounds.
Good point!
Thanks!
Mike
ORIGINAL: PN79
ORIGINAL: BDukes
ORIGINAL: boogabooga
On a more serious note, the 1989 timeframe of this scenario would be well after the INF Treaty, so their absence is justifiable on historical grounds.
Good point!
Thanks!
Mike
INF Treaty was binding only to the USSR. Non-Soviet Warsaw Pact SS-23 were untouched though their number was limited.
https://2001-2009.state.gov/t/vci/rls/prsrl/57238.htm
SIDE: NATO
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LOSSES:
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8x A-10A Thunderbolt II
12x AH-1F Cobra
4x AH-64A Apache
2x EH-60A Quick Fix II
12x F-16C Blk 25 Falcon
12x F-16C Blk 30 Falcon
5x F-4G Phantom II [Wild Weasel V]
3x OH-58D Kiowa
2x OV-1D Mohawk
1x RV-1D Mohawk [Quick Look II]
22x Building (Watch Tower)
3x Radar (AN/MPQ-49 FAAR)
1x Radar (AN/TPQ-37 Firefinder)
1x Radar (AN/TPS-43E)
3x 155mm/23 M109A3 Howitzer [Cargo]
4x 203mm/25 M110 Self-Propelled Howitzer [Cargo]
16x 20mm/85 Vulcan M163A2 [1100 rnds] [Cargo]
2x 20mm/85 Vulcan M167 [500 rnds] [Cargo]
4x 35mm Twin Gepard [Cargo]
2x 7.62mm MG [Cargo]
16x Infantry Section [7.62mm MG/Unguided Infantry Anti Tank Weapon] [Cargo]
8x Leopard 1A3 Main Battle Tank [Cargo]
3x M113A3 APC [Cargo]
10x M192 I-HAWK [Cargo]
22x M1A1 Abrams Main Battle Tank [Cargo]
3x M3 Bradley IFV [Cargo]
26x M3A1 Bradley IFV [Cargo]
4x M48 Chaparral Quad [M730A1] [Cargo]
30x M901 ITV [Cargo]
6x Marder 1A2 IFV [Cargo]
4x Patriot M901 [Cargo]
2x Stinger MANPADS [Cargo]
48x Stinger MANPADS [Cargo]
12x TPz Fuchs APC [Cargo]
10x Vehicle (AN/MPQ-50 PAR) [Cargo]
9x Vehicle (AN/MPQ-51 ROR) [Cargo]
4x Vehicle (AN/MPQ-53) [Cargo]
6x Vehicle (AN/MPQ-55 ICWAR) [Cargo]
20x Vehicle (AN/MPQ-57 HPI [TAS Camera]) [Cargo]
EXPENDITURES:
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36x M26 MLRS [644 x M77 DPICM Dual Purpose]
114x MIM-104A Patriot
39x 12.7mm/50 MG Burst [10 rnds]
189x MIM-23C I-HAWK
361x FIM-92B Stinger POST
141x MIM-72G Chaparral
42x BGM-71E TOW 2A
28x HYDRA 70mm Rocket
72x 120mm M256 APFSDS-T
20x 120mm M256 HEAT
20x 120mm M256 HE
75x Generic Chaff Salvo [5x Cartridges]
35x AIM-9M Sidewinder
12x AGM-88A HARM
1652x 155mm/23 HE
58x BGM-71C Improved TOW
39x Generic Flare Salvo [3x Cartridges, Single Spectral]
234x 7.62mm MG Burst [20 rnds]
12x AIM-7F Sparrow III
132x 35mm Twin Gepard Burst [20 rnds]
4x FIM-92A Stinger
212x 20mm/85 Vulcan Burst [100 rnds]
5x AGM-65D Maverick IR
12x AIM-7M Sparrow III
2x CBU-87/B CEM [202 x BLU-97/B Dual-Purpose Bomblets]
20x Generic Unguided Anti Tank Weapon
1x 20mm M197 Burst [25 rnds]
60x 25mm/75 Bushmaster Mod 1 Burst [12 rnds]
8x 370 USG Drop Tank
1x 20mm/85 M61A1 Vulcan Burst [100 rnds]
14x CBU-89/B GATOR [45 x BLU-91/B Bomblets + 15 x BLU-92/B Mines]
4x AIM-9L Sidewinder
SIDE: Warsaw Pact
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8x Mi-24D Hind D
1x Mi-24K Hind
2x MiG-23M Flogger B
8x MiG-23ML Flogger G
2x MiG-25RB Foxbat B
1x MiG-25RBS Foxbat D
16x MiG-29S Fulcrum C
4x Su-17M-3R Fitter H
41x Su-27S Flanker B
1x Radar (Snow Drift [9S18M1])
29x 122mm/36 2S1 M1974 Gvozdika [Cargo]
13x 122mm/38 D-30 2A18 Towed Howitzer [Cargo]
7x 23mm ZSU-23-4 Shilka [Cargo]
6x BM-27 Uragan MLRS [Cargo]
15x BMP-2 [AT-5 Spandrel A] IFV [Cargo]
60x PT-76B Amphibious Tank [Cargo]
2x SA-11 Gadfly [9A38] TELAR [Cargo]
1x SA-11 Gadfly [9A39] LLV [Cargo]
3x SA-9b Gaskin [BRDM-2] TEL 2 [Cargo]
53x T-80 Main Battle Tank [Cargo]
EXPENDITURES:
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336x 9M27F 220 mm Rocket
366x 203mm 2A44 RAP
977x 122mm/36 HE
1500x 152mm/48 HE
388x 122mm/38 HE
1116x 125mm APFSDS-T
16x 12.7mm/50 MG Burst [10 rnds]
3x AT-5 Spandrel A [9M113 Konkurs]
73x 30mm 2A42 Burst [20 rnds]
88x 76.2 mm/42 OF-350 HE
108x 152mm/25 HE
31x 125mm HE
26x AA-10 Alamo C [R-27ER, LR TSARH]
94x AA-10 Alamo A [R-27R, MR TSARH]
18x Generic Chaff Salvo [4x Cartridges]
4x AA-7 Apex B [R-23T, IR]
72x AS-11 Kilter [Kh-58U, ARM, Semi-Ballistic]
27x SA-8b Gecko Mod-1 [9M33M3]
10x SA-9b Gaskin [9M31M]
31x SA-11 Gadfly [9M38]
2x 5280 liter Drop Tank
272x Generic Flare Salvo [4x Cartridges, Single Spectral]
8x 23mm ZSU-23-4 Shilka Burst [50 rnds]
8x 820 liter Drop Tank
4x Generic Flare Salvo [2x Cartridges, Single Spectral]
9x AA-10 Alamo D [R-27ET, LR IR]
48x AA-11 Archer [R-73]
7x 1500 liter Drop Tank
12x RBK-500-PTAB CB [268 x PTAB-1M Anti-Tank Bomblets]
5x SA-13 Gopher [9M35]
81x Generic Flare Salvo [3x Cartridges, Single Spectral]
2x 30mm Gsh-30-1 Burst [30 rnds]
26x RBK-250-PTAB CB [30 x PTAB-2.5 Anti-Tank Bomblets]
1x AA-7 Apex D [R-24T, IR]
32x AT-2 Swatter B [9M17M Skorpion-M]
20x RBK-500-ZAB [117 x ZAB-2.5SM Incendiary]
42x OFAB-100-120 Frag
86x FAB-250M-54 GPB
1024x S-5K 57mm Rocket
24x Trooper
64x OFAB-250-270 Frag
1x AA-8 Aphid [R-60]
NATO Mobile Artillery a little forward. They'd surely be in range of the border
ORIGINAL: Gunner98
NATO Mobile Artillery a little forward. They'd surely be in range of the border
Maybe not, being close enough to the border means being hammered by the much more numerous Army and Front level Soviet stuff and much more easily detected. Most of ours were back a little further so they could hit the advancing forces while they were more vulnerable and we had a better chance of surviving.
Have not opened the scenarios so may be talking out my butt.
Ok. Next playthrough, I'm average. Which given I knew a lot after play one probably isn't. If you look at my expenditures my fixed air raids sucked! Very few got through! Attack helicopters did great though.
First, thanks for the units they helped a great deal. Second, thanks for the entertaining scenario. It was a great time.
More suggestions, take them as such. I think the scenario is great regardless.
1)SU-17M3 and M4, Mig-27, Mig-23BN did were the most numerous Soviet ground pounders.
2)I killed a ton of SU-27's. 41! That might be a sizable chunk of what was available in 1989.
3)Perhaps move NATO Mobile Artillery a little forward. They'd surely be in range of the border.
The Su-27s
ORIGINAL: BeirutDude
ORIGINAL: Gunner98
NATO Mobile Artillery a little forward. They'd surely be in range of the border
Maybe not, being close enough to the border means being hammered by the much more numerous Army and Front level Soviet stuff and much more easily detected. Most of ours were back a little further so they could hit the advancing forces while they were more vulnerable and we had a better chance of surviving.
Have not opened the scenarios so may be talking out my butt.
Gunner expressed what I was thinking, too far forward and they would be killed by massive *GA counterbattery. I had too MASSIVELY remove 8GA Artillery as it totally dominated (as ground units can't dig in so that was the balance removing them).
ORIGINAL: Gunner98
The Su-27s
From what I understand the 145th Fighter Division in the 26th Air Army stationed in Belorussia and supporting GSFG were among the first to receive the the Su-27. Their main job was to counter NATOs F-15s and other 4th Gen fighters while the other AC mentioned did the ground pounding.
26th Air Army had 5 Regiments ~200 AC, they all existed in 89 but whether they would all be effective by is a question perhaps, but 40 would not be out of the question
ORIGINAL: BDukes
Nope its great.
Mike
