Opinions on the 1993 Stalingrad movie?

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Originally posted by tracer
Great line: when the young German private accidentally shoots his friend and starts breaking down...a sergeant picks him up and says "Don't worry about it...I did the same once".


Better quote after a german soldier clubs a russian with his shovel: "I just **** my pants!"
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Enemy at the Gates was good to a point.

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I had it's moments..........Like the "River crossing" scene...or the Heinkel Bombers coming in for a Run....But the ending sucked.....!!!!!
No way in "Hell" a German Sniper would reveal his position like that. I read a Book about the Sniper Dual....(I forgot the Name of it.... :( ).....but anyways it was more realistic then the movie!!!!!!

It had the Russian Sniper killing the German through the optical of his rifle!!!!!
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I saw it a while back. Thought it was pretty good but felt that many of the main characters, particularly the solemn brooding dissilusioned commander, seemed to mirror the characters in Das Boot a bit too closely. Some lousy acting and melodramatic moments but outstanding battlescenes.
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Re: Enemy at the Gates was good to a point.

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Originally posted by Hawk
No way in "Hell" a German Sniper would reveal his position like that. I read a Book about the Sniper Dual....(I forgot the Name of it.... :( ).....but anyways it was more realistic then the movie!!!!!!

It had the Russian Sniper killing the German through the optical of his rifle!!!!!
IIRC, the "real" :rolleyes: story supposedly ended with the "helmet trick" that Kulikov tries in the movie. The German fell for it, and when he lingered to confirm the kill - BANG! - Zaitsev got him.... they had both camped in the same spot for 3 days to get a clean shot.

...but that may just be yet another legend for all I know... :p
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Exactly!!!!!!!!

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That was the one i was talking about BEL!!!!!!!!!:D :D Now that was a good Book!!!!!!
The friend of Zaitsev was soooo convincing...that Zaitsev almost missed the Shot for fear of his friend actually being hit......I knew somone out there knew "What i'm talking About" :D :D ;)
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Except for the corny beginning on the Italian Riviera, the film is very accurate throughout. It apparently is following the course of one of the poineer platoons brought in in November to finish the battle. The young leutenant von Witzland seems a little to idealistic and the stereotype of the cruel captain who taunts him and then is found to be hoarding supplies is a bit of a reach for dramatic license for me but overall the film is vey well done. . Try finding the original Stalingrad made in 1959 in black & white. A lot of the look of both Enemy at the Gates and Stalingrad was taken from that film
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P.S. It's funny - when I listed Stalingrad as my choice in the "best war movie" thread a while back I was hammered mercilessly - where were you guys when I needed ya ?
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i remember i was " hammered ", too in a thread called " the baddest war movie " ( btw. is this <--- spelling correct " baddest " ?? ). some say " a thin red line " would be among it. i said " no it´s one of my faves ".... but perhaps "ATRL" is not a war movie, but much more....

for stalingrad: yep. it potrays the tragic and suffering in this battle quite good. but i wished to have some more battle scenes and perhaps some scenes with showed the some of the high commanders ( paulus, manstein etc... ) and their decission making in this case...if you know what i mean (?)

i found "das boot" much superior but stalingrad is okay IMHO. better than " duel - enemy at the gate " in any case. "duel" was more western movie between 2 sharpshooters fighting their private war in this battle. at the beginning i was quite shure to see a good movie ( the stuka attack ) but it get´s more worse after some running time. even absolutly unneccesary love scenes were in... when i want love or sex scens i watch romance films or pornos...
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Post by Hawk »

Originally posted by Frank W.
absolutly unneccesary love scenes were in... when i want love or sex scens i watch romance films or pornos...
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Amen!!!!!!! And if you need any of the Latter....;) ;) ;) ...I can shipp them out to you...:eek: :eek:
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Re: ABTF - German Tank

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Originally posted by Tequila
ABTF is not my favorite but it's defintely in my Top 10 list. It has an amazing cast for sure and you're right about the jump scenes. My only beef is with that German tank in Arnhem. What in god's creation is that ugly thing? It's definitely not a tank I recognize. They did a nice job recreating the Sherman tanks though.


It's been a few years since I last saw the film, but if you mean the tank that comes across the bridge, then I have always thought it looked like a late war Pzkfw III probably an Ausf L or M.

As for Stalingrad, I think it is a terrific film and IMHO it is far better then Enemy at the Gate. I know the latter has much better effects in it but the German version just beats it for feel and atmosphere.
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The German tanks were supposed to be Panthers in Bridge. Look at the details like the side skirts and the rear hull.
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STALINGRAD has real T34's(the later 85mm model)..I felt it portrayed the mood of the troops well,(for veterans)..Don't remember many of the time-worn cliche's..
Pretty gruesome but true depiction of how tanks kill grunts up-close and personal.(And likewise).
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Re: ABTF Tanks

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Originally posted by Grenadier
The German tanks were supposed to be Panthers in Bridge. Look at the details like the side skirts and the rear hull.


Yes and in actuallity they were Leopard 1 tanks "dressed up" to look like Panthers. The best way to tell is by the exhaust. It is located on both side of the rear hull.

Easy for me to recognise as the Leo 1 is the MBT of the Canadian Army.:eek: :D

Here's the Canadian Army web sit on the Leo 1 if anyone is interested.

http://www.army.forces.gc.ca/LF/English ... uSection=1

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Post by Wolfleader »

Just wondering but does anyone knows where I can find the soundtrack to this stalingrad movie? I've bought the Das Boot soundtrack a while back and I've been hunting for the sountrack for this movie for quite a while now with no luck.

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Post by LordCucumber »

I thought Stalingrad was a pretty good movie, especially considering that it was made by Germans and not Hollywood. No offense to anyone, but usually European productions don't make it that far. So in that respect it's especially good! A very good depiction of things at the Eastern Front I think.

BTW does anyone here know the Dutch production 'Soldier of Orange' (Dutch title: Soldaat van Oranje) with Rutger Hauer and Jeroen Krabbe amongst others? It's pretty good.. for a Dutch movie :)

Enemy at the gates was a nice attempt btw.. but it messed itself up by the unnecessary lovestory.
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