Does Japan ever get over the supply shortage?

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RE: Does Japan ever get over the supply shortage?

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Sundevil,
I have recaptured the Phillipines and there are no threats between the US and the Phillipines I haven't eliminated. But, ALL TF's plotted from SF to the Phillipines (auto or not) drive straight across the map next to Japan before 'hooking' to the destination. Or vice-versa.
Click on any TF and then follow the TF plotted path.
Seems they should be 'smart' enough to know that Japan has lots of enemy bases but that going by Pearl, Midway, Wake or even more south through the Caroline Islands is 'realistic.' But no, let's go visit Godzilla and get eaten!

My TF's, I just replot. The auto's - I quit using them now for the most part based on the reasons already posted. But before I did, yep- auto's like Godzilla too!

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the Auto-Convoy routine seemed completely obsessed with Prince Rupert

Then take Prince Rupert off the auto-convoy list.

Hmm, looking at the picture in your avatar, ARE you Prince Rupert? Maybe that explains it.[:)]
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gdpsnake,

Ok thanks, I have not gotten the far yet in my campaign, so I have not run into that situation. I understand where you are coming from, and yes that is a problem. Thanks for the explanation.
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I never use auto-convoy. Even if it worked perfectly, I'd probably prefer to do it myself. I like the logistics in this game.

But I think part of Zoomie's question is that, even assuming he plays a perfect game of supply- and resource-distribution, is Japan always woefully short of supplies? 10K in Tokyo sounds pretty tough.
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As I understand the autoconvoy system the _only_ thing it looks at is "does that base, on my list, have twice its needed supplies". If not, it sends a convoy. It doesn't look at Tokyo to see if Tokyo as a special case is running short.

I use the auto convoy in a limited way as the Allies. I have relatively few ports on the list. Only ports that are truly in a safe rear area _and_ which I want to have reasonable supply. Some bases in out of the way places I am willing to let starve.
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I must say that I, too, see logistics as central to the game, and manage all of my own supply. Having the computer run the supply convoys is like signing up for a game of baseball and having somebody else take your turn at bat.
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I'm now in 06/42 a few stories about how the autosupply runs more and more crazy:

-I took suva, nice place to roam around: There are about five TF unloading and loading supplies continuously and i have still not taken the time to figure out what the f*** they where doing.

-One base on the little land stroke between borneo and java is constantly harassed by supply TF (between four and six everytime), some of them are loading oil but most of them just dock and undock for nothing (while there is still a lot of oil there), it seems that the AI believes it's the only place to get oil from..

-I am manualy bringing all the oil from borneo to bangkok and taiwan and the automaticsupply is everytime passing behind, loading the stuff and bringing it to Osaka, which has already plenty (i upgraded bankok and thai HI to get it closer to the oil production)

I am absolutely not happy with the autosupply AI but i have not the courage to do it all by myself
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ORIGINAL: Thayne

I must say that I, too, see logistics as central to the game, and manage all of my own supply. Having the computer run the supply convoys is like signing up for a game of baseball and having somebody else take your turn at bat.

No its not. It is like playing a game of baseball where somebody else drags all the bats and balls and bases to the game so you get to bat.
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[:o] D'Oh he's that Prince Rupert is he. Rupert of the Rhine, Royalist cavalry commander [:o]. I should have guessed, but I never knew he had admirers in Canada.

Many thanks Beezle, I did turn it off from Auto Convoy in the end. Still, I would love to know why the Auto Convoy AI was so insistant that the local Canuckians had to be three times as well fed as their US allies down south [:D]
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Right now I am playing the Allies. Will not play the Japanese till I get better with the game.

For allied auto-supply I have only enabled it for the backwater (rear area) bases. My rear area bases right now are: Noumea, Espiritu Santo, Efate, Suva, Canton Island, Brisbane, Pear Harbor, Midway, Andaman Island, and that big island off India. Everything else gets special attention by me if I think it needs it.

Although I did see an auto convoy come out of Kirachi for some destination starting with S (I had now idea where, and am pretty sure I did not enable that location in the auto convoy system). The thing was, when I clicked on this convoy to see where this place was the convoy was going from Kirachi to Pearl Harbor. That was a definit no no, so I rerouted it to Andaman Island.
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RE: Does Japan ever get over the supply shortage?

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ORIGINAL: gdpsnake

Sundevil,
I have recaptured the Phillipines and there are no threats between the US and the Phillipines I haven't eliminated. But, ALL TF's plotted from SF to the Phillipines (auto or not) drive straight across the map next to Japan before 'hooking' to the destination. Or vice-versa.
Click on any TF and then follow the TF plotted path.
Seems they should be 'smart' enough to know that Japan has lots of enemy bases but that going by Pearl, Midway, Wake or even more south through the Caroline Islands is 'realistic.' But no, let's go visit Godzilla and get eaten!

My TF's, I just replot. The auto's - I quit using them now for the most part based on the reasons already posted. But before I did, yep- auto's like Godzilla too!

Gary

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