Powerful allied fighters

[Bombur]

Second round

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 08/06/42

Day Air attack on Gili Gili , at 56,94

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 15
A6M3 Zero x 3
G4M1 Betty x 9
J1N1-R Irving x 2

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk I x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Kittyhawk I: 6 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 15000 feet
5 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 15000 feet

Actual losses (only air combat) were 3 Kittyhawk vs. 0 A6M

Up to now results give reason to Mike Scholl, it seems the Zeroes are sacrificing themselves to protect the Betties

[Bombur]

Third round

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 08/07/42

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Coastal Guns at Tulagi, 68,96, firing at TF 1008
TF 1008 troops unloading over beach at Tulagi, 68,96


12 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied ground losses:
198 casualties reported

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Lunga at 67,97

Japanese Ships
CA Chokai, Shell hits 3
CA Aoba, Shell hits 9, on fire
CA Kinugasa, Shell hits 2
CA Furutaka
CA Kako
CL Tenryu
CL Tatsuta, Shell hits 2, on fire
CL Yubari, Shell hits 1
DD Mutsuki, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Yayoi
DD Uzuki
DD Nagatsuki
DD Mikazuki
DD Mochizuki
DD Yuzuki
DD Kamikaze, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Asakaze, Shell hits 3, on fire

Allied Ships
CA Chicago, Shell hits 7, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
CA Australia, Shell hits 1
CA Canberra, Shell hits 3
CL Hobart
DD Mugford, Shell hits 1
DD Ralph Talbot
DD Patterson, Shell hits 1
DD Jarvis
DD Selfridge

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Lunga at 67,97

Japanese Ships
CA Chokai, Shell hits 1
CA Aoba, Shell hits 3, on fire
CA Kinugasa
CA Furutaka
CA Kako
CL Tenryu, Shell hits 1
CL Tatsuta, Shell hits 2, on fire
CL Yubari
DD Mutsuki, on fire
DD Yayoi
DD Uzuki, Shell hits 1
DD Nagatsuki
DD Mikazuki
DD Mochizuki
DD Yuzuki
DD Kamikaze, Shell hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD Asakaze, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
CA Astoria, Shell hits 5
CA Quincy
CA Vincennes, Shell hits 5
DD Ellet, Shell hits 1
DD Wilson, Shell hits 19, and is sunk
DD Dewey, Shell hits 14, on fire, heavy damage
DD Hull, Shell hits 8, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

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Naval bombardment of Lunga, at 67,97

Allied Ships
DD Selfridge
DD Jarvis
DD Patterson
DD Ralph Talbot
DD Mugford
CL Hobart
CA Canberra
CA Australia

Japanese ground losses:
226 casualties reported

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Naval bombardment of Lunga, at 67,97

Allied Ships
DD Ellet
CA Vincennes
CA Quincy
CA Astoria

Japanese ground losses:
272 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Port hits 1
Port supply hits 4

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Naval bombardment of Tulagi, at 68,96

Allied Ships
DD Buchanan
DD Monssen
CLAA San Juan

Japanese ground losses:
76 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

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Coastal Guns at Tulagi, 68,96, firing at TF 1008
TF 1008 troops unloading over beach at Tulagi, 68,96


5 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied ground losses:
54 casualties reported

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Day Air attack on Gili Gili , at 56,94

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 20
G4M1 Betty x 4
J1N1-R Irving x 1

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk I x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Kittyhawk I: 7 destroyed


Allied ground losses:
8 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Munda at 64,95

Japanese aircraft
A6M2-N Rufe x 1

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 29
SBD Dauntless x 63
TBF Avenger x 40

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2-N Rufe: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 1 damaged
SBD Dauntless: 8 destroyed, 15 damaged
TBF Avenger: 2 destroyed, 8 damaged

Japanese Ships
CA Kinugasa, Bomb hits 2, on fire
CA Kako, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Yuzuki
CL Tenryu, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CA Chokai, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
CL Yubari, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CA Furutaka, Bomb hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
3 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
1 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
3 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
2 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
1 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
2 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Munda at 64,95


Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 51
TBF Avenger x 27


Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless: 4 damaged
TBF Avenger: 4 damaged

Japanese Ships
CA Kinugasa, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
CA Furutaka, Bomb hits 8, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD Uzuki, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
CA Chokai, Bomb hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
CL Yubari, on fire
DD Mikazuki
DD Nagatsuki, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Yuzuki

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
2 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
1 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
2 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
3 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Munda at 64,95


Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 13


Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
CA Kako, Bomb hits 5, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 65,96


Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 37
SBD Dauntless x 10


Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
CA Aoba, on fire
CL Tatsuta, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Asakaze, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet

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Ground combat at Tulagi

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 2896 troops, 11 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 3921 troops, 19 guns, 0 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
18 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

Allied ground losses:
7 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Tulagi

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 3911 troops, 19 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 4230 troops, 5 guns, 0 vehicles

Allied assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 0)


Japanese ground losses:
252 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Allied ground losses:
100 casualties reported
Guns lost 2


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Ground combat at Lunga

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 6124 troops, 64 guns, 6 vehicles

Defending force 4400 troops, 3 guns, 0 vehicles

Allied assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 0)

Allied forces CAPTURE Lunga base !!!


Japanese ground losses:
49 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Allied ground losses:
262 casualties reported
Guns lost 5
Vehicles lost 2


Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!


-Finally the enemy invaded Guadalcanal. IJN ships attempted to engage the enemy fleet in a night battle, but a marginal vitory became a crippling defeat, as the retiring TF´s were heavily hit by enemy Carrier based air units. In the fighter vs fighter front, A6M´s shot down two more Kyttihawks, withouth losses, while the F4F´s shot down a lonely A6M2N attempting to defend the surface fleet. Tomorrow, my fighters will escort Betties in a raid against damaged ships in Lunga. We expect the F4F´s to fight. Let us see what happens....

[Bombur]

-Well, the Allies destroyed what remained of the IJN surface force. Betties attacked the enemy transports, escorted by 15 A6M2 and found 10 F4F´s. There was bloody AA combat, with 8 A6M2 lost vs 5 F4F shot down

Day Air attack on TF, near Tulagi at 68,96

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 15
G4M1 Betty x 32

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 15 destroyed
G4M1 Betty: 6 destroyed, 7 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 14 destroyed

Allied Ships
APD McKean
DMS Hovey
APD Little, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DMS Southard
APD Colhoun

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
2 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
1 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet

[Apollo11]

Hi all,

ORIGINAL: denisonh

There is no doubt that leadership is one of the critical factors impacting combat.

Modern combat is a collective effort, and as such how the UNIT performs is only in part a function of INDIVIDUAL performance.

The application of tactics and doctrine based on the situation confronting a unit is where leadership can make the difference in the outcome.

To fail to include this as a major part of the air combat model would be ludicrous.

I agree 100%.

But how can "desk jockey" commander help air unit in air to air combat hundreads of miles away?

Can we assume that all he does is to prepare his unit in advance for combat (by learning advanced tactics for example)?


Leo "Apollo11"

[2ndACR]

Play Lemurs version if you really want to see bloody.

Me and Panzer have turned Rangoon into a meat grinder for fighters. We have both lost around 150 fighters over 3-4 turns. Hurricanes are demon spawns in his versions. And I am throwing multiple Zero units at him, the best I got. He is losing more than me, but he can afford to, I can not.

[denisonh]

I am not sure that the "must be present to win" philosophy applies to modeling the effects of leadership on unit performance.

How a unit approaches it's tasks in terms of organization, doctrine, training, management, and inspiriration are in large part a function of the leadership.

How tasks are assigned (who leads and flies what missions), the manner in which they are presented (orders, objectives, and methods to achieve them) and instilling a sense of discipline, confidence, and sense of purpose do not require a physical presence at the time of execution.

It is not coincidence that leadership is one of the 4 principles of combat power. (along with manuever, firepower, and protection)

ORIGINAL: Apollo11

Hi all,

ORIGINAL: denisonh

There is no doubt that leadership is one of the critical factors impacting combat.

Modern combat is a collective effort, and as such how the UNIT performs is only in part a function of INDIVIDUAL performance.

The application of tactics and doctrine based on the situation confronting a unit is where leadership can make the difference in the outcome.

To fail to include this as a major part of the air combat model would be ludicrous.

I agree 100%.

But how can "desk jockey" commander help air unit in air to air combat hundreads of miles away?

Can we assume that all he does is to prepare his unit in advance for combat (by learning advanced tactics for example)?


Leo "Apollo11"

[Bombur]

-More tests:

-Two days withouth major combat. A group of Zeroes flew a sweep mission over Gilli Gilli in 08/10/42. Three P-40 intercepted but there were no losses. In the following day I decided to test the fatigue effect. The same A6M2 squadron was ordered to fly sweep over Port Moresby. Fatigue level (in the turn before the battle) was 18. Attitude 10000ft (to avoid P-39 penalty). Battle was 18 A6M2 vs 19 P-39. Losses were 2 A6M2 and 3 P-39. Up to know, cumulative losses in fighter vs. fighter combat were about 20 Allied fighters (most P-39´s)and 12 Zeroes. In escorting torpedo bomber missions (ETBM) the result is 8 A6M´s lost vs. 5 Allied fighters lost