Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues

[Vici Supreme]

ORIGINAL: emsoy

Already added, but forgot to mark the post as such [8D]

Thanks for the heads-up.

Thanks a lot!

[Mgellis]

Some classes for the Japanese coast guard. Lightly armed, of course, but these might be involved in all kinds of incidents in the waters surrounding Japan, especially those close to North and South Korea, Taiwan, and China. Lots of possibilities for scenarios here.


PM 01 Teshio (Japanese Coast Guard)

Operational Dates: 1980-present
Pennant numbers: PM 01 through PM 14
Displacement: 630 tons normal; 670 tons full load
Dimensions: 67.8 m. x 7.9 m. x 2.7 m.
Main machinery: 2 Fuji 6S32F or Arakata 6M31E diesels; 3650 hp(m) (2.69 MW); 2 shafts
Speed: 18 knots
Range: 3200 naut. miles at 16 knots
Complement: 33
Guns: 1 JN-61B 20 mm. Gatling
Radars: Navigation 2 JMA 159B; I-band


PL 02 Ojika (Japanese Coast Guard)

Operational dates: 1991-present
Pennant numbers PL 02
Displacement: 1883 tons normal
Dimensions: 91.4 m. x 11 m. x 3.5 m.
Main machinery: 2 Fuji 8S40B diesels; 7000 hp(m) (5.15 MW); 2 shafts; cp props; 2 bow thrusters
Speed: 18 knots
Range: 4,400 naut. miles at 15 knots
Complement: 38
Guns: 1 Oerlikon 35mm/90. 1 20mm. JM-61B Gatling.
Radars: Navigation: JMA 1596; I-band
Helicopter: Platform for 1 Bell 212 or Super Puma


PLH 21 Mizuho

Operational dates: 1986-present
Pennants: PLH 21 Mizuho; PLH 22 Yashima
Displacement: 4,900 tons standard; 5204 full load
Dimensions: 130 m. x 15.5 m. x 5.4 m.
Main machinerY; 2 SEMT-Pielstick 14 PC2.5V 400 diesels; 18200 hp(m) (13.38 MW) sustained; 2 shafts; cp props; bow thruster
Speed: 23 knots
Range: 8500 naut. miles at 22 knots
Complement: 100 + 30 air crew
Guns: 1 Oerlikon 35mm/90 (bow). 1 20mm. JM-61B Gatling (rear of superstructure).
Radars: Surface search; JMA 8303; I-band; Navigation/helo control: 2 JMA 3000; I-band
Helicopters: 2 Fuji-Bell 212 (I think…one pad; hanger for 2 aircraft)


PL 61 Hateruma (Japanese coast guard)

Operational dates: 2008-present
Pennant numbers: PL 61 through PL 69
Displacement: 1,300 tons standard load
Dimensions: 89 m. x 11 m. x 5 m.
Main machinery: listed only as 4 × diesel engines + 4 × Waterjets; an earlier, similar class employed 2 Fuji 8S40B diesels; 7000 hp(m) (5.15 MW) to get a top speed of 18 knots, so maybe this is using four of those diesel engines?
Complement: 30
Speed: 30 knots
Range: earlier class listed as 4,400 naut. miles at 15 knots…would it be reasonable to assume something similar until more data is available?
Radars: not listed, perhaps only the JMA 1596; I-band navigation radar used on the earlier class?
Boats: 2 x 7-meter RHIBs; 2 x 4.8-meter RHIBs (I don’t know if the latter is in the database, though)
Gun: one single-mounted Mk44 Bushmaster II 30mm autocannon with laser-optical fire-control system (bow)
Helicopter: Pad for 1 medium helicopter + refueling capabilities, “wide enough to operate with Eurocopter EC225 helicopters to airlift supplies for small patrol crafts keeping Senkaku Islands under surveillance.” –quote from Wikipedia

“This class is equipped with the LIDAR system to acquire targets with high accuracy, and at the same time, this system enables them to perform search and rescue mission more safely.” -- http://www.digplanet.com/wiki/Hateruma- ... rol_vessel

(there's a lot of guesswork in my information for this one; I would not have included this class except it has actually seen "combat," dealing with a North Korean spy boat...also, as one of the newest classes in the Japanese coast guard, it is likely to be around for a while.)

Thanks for considering these!

[Mgellis]

Minor error...there are actually seven of these, not just one, with pennant numbers PL 02 through PL 08.

ORIGINAL: Mgellis

PL 02 Ojika (Japanese Coast Guard)

Operational dates: 1991-present
Pennant numbers PL 02
Displacement: 1883 tons normal
Dimensions: 91.4 m. x 11 m. x 3.5 m.
Main machinery: 2 Fuji 8S40B diesels; 7000 hp(m) (5.15 MW); 2 shafts; cp props; 2 bow thrusters
Speed: 18 knots
Range: 4,400 naut. miles at 15 knots
Complement: 38
Guns: 1 Oerlikon 35mm/90. 1 20mm. JM-61B Gatling.
Radars: Navigation: JMA 1596; I-band
Helicopter: Platform for 1 Bell 212 or Super Puma

[Mgellis]

Thanks to this site...

http://www.j-hangarspace.jp/

I have some information on the aircraft employed by Japan's coast guard...

(I know I'm spending a fair bit of time on Japan's coast guard, but my reasoning is that it is one of the coast guards, along with the USCG and India's Coast Guard, most likely to get involved in a low intensity military conflict. This is because of the size of the force--heck, Japan's Coast Guard is bigger than a lot of navies!--and the size of its area of responsibility and because some of that area is disputed.)

Airbus Helicopters (Aerospatiale) AS332L-1 Super Puma
(described in Wikipedia as "AS 332L1 – Stretched civil version, with a long fuselage and an airline interior." I think otherwise it's similar to the versions already in the database.)
Operational dates: 1992-present

Airbus Helicopters (Eurocopter) EC225LP
A variant of the Airbus Helicopters H225 Super Puma (formerly Eurocopter EC225), described as "An improved variant of the AS332 L2."
Operational dates: 2008-present

Specifications from Wikipedia:
Data from Airbus Helicopters...

General characteristics

Crew: 2 (commander + co-pilot)
Capacity: 24 passengers + 1 cabin attendant
Length: 19.5 m (64 ft 0 in)
Height: 4.97 m (16 ft 4 in)
Empty weight: 5,256 kg (11,587 lb)
Gross weight: 11,000 kg (24,251 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 11,200 kg (24,692 lb)
Powerplant: 2 × Turbomeca Makila 2A1 turboshaft engines, 1,776 kW (2,382 hp) each
Main rotor diameter: 16.2 m (53 ft 2 in)
Main rotor area: 206.15 m2 (2,219.0 sq ft)

Performance

Maximum speed: 275.5 km/h (171 mph; 149 kn)
Cruising speed: 260.5 km/h (162 mph; 141 kn)
Never exceed speed: 324 km/h (201 mph; 175 kn)
Range: 857 km (533 mi; 463 nmi)
Ferry range: 985 km (612 mi; 532 nmi)
Service ceiling: 5,900 m (19,357 ft)
Rate of climb: 8.7 m/s (1,710 ft/min)

Bell 212
Operational dates: 1978-present

Specifications (Bell 212) (it is implied this is simply the civilian designation for the UH-1N)

Data from Bell 212 Rotorcraft Flight Manual[13]

General characteristics

Crew: 1 (two for IFR operation)
Capacity: 14
Length: 57 ft 1.68 in (17.43 m)
Rotor diameter: 48 ft (14.64 m)
Height: 12 ft 6.83 in (3.83 m)
Disc area: 1,809.5 ft² (168.3 m²)
Empty weight: 6529.4 lb (2961.7 kg)
Max. takeoff weight: 11,200 lb (5,080 kg)
Powerplant: 1 × Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6T-3 or -3B turboshaft, 1,800 shp (1,342 kW)

Performance

Never exceed speed: 120 knots (138 mph, 223 km/h)
Maximum speed: 120 knots (138 mph, 223 km/h)
Cruise speed: 100 knots (115 mph, 186 km/h)
Range: 237 nm (439 km)
Service ceiling: 17,400 ft (5,305 m)
Rate of climb: 1,745 ft/min (532 m/min)
Disc loading: 6.19 lb/ft² (30.22 kg/m²)

Sikorsky S-76
Operational dates...
S-76C ("Powered by two 539-kW (981-shp) Turbomeca Arriel 1S1 turboshaft engines. 43 manufactured"--Wikipedia), 1995-present
S-76D ("Powered by two Pratt & Whitney Canada PW210S. Also features a Thales Topdeck avionics suit and improved noise signature over all previous variants"--Wikipedia), 2015-

Specifications (Sikorsky S-76C++)
Data from Sikorsky

General characteristics

Crew: two
Capacity: seats 12–13
Length: 52 ft 6 in (16.00 m) from tip of main rotor to tip of tail rotor
Width: 10 ft 0 in (3.05 m) at horizontal stabilizer
Height: 14 ft 6 in (4.42 m) to tip of tail rotor
Empty weight: 7,005 lb (3,177 kg) in utility configuration
Gross weight: 11,700 lb (5,307 kg)
Fuel capacity: 281 US gallons (1,064 liters), with 50 or 102 US gallons (189 or 386 liters) available in extra auxiliary tanks
Powerplant: 2 × Turbomeca Arriel 2S2 turboshaft, 922 shp (688 kW) each
Main rotor diameter: 4× 44 ft 0 in (13.41 m)

Performance

Maximum speed: 155 kn (178 mph; 287 km/h) at maximum takeoff weight at sea level in standard atmospheric conditions
Cruise speed: 155 kn (178 mph; 287 km/h) maximum cruise speed is the same as maximum speed
Range: 411 nmi (473 mi; 761 km) no reserves, at long-range cruise speed at 4,000 ft altitude
Service ceiling: 13,800 ft (4,200 m)

Avionics

Honeywell four-tube EFIS and Collins Proline II avionics suite
Four-axis fully coupled autopilot
Integrated Instrument Display System (IIDS)
Honeywell ground proximity warning system
Honeywell Primus weather radar
Dual comm/nav radios
Automatic direction finder
Dual attitude and heading reference system and air data computers
Radio altimeter
Mode C transponder
Dual VHF omnidirectional range (VOR) and Instrument landing system (ILS)
Distance measuring equipment
Cockpit voice recorder

Beechcraft King Air 350 (I think this is just the civilian version, so it is already in the database)
Operational dates: 1999-present

Beechcraft King Air 200/B200T (I think this is just the civilian version, so it is already in database)
Operational dates: 1980-present

Bombardier Dash 8-Q300 (DHC-8-315Q MPA)

http://www.airfleets.net/listing/dh8-14.htm says this is the DHC8-315MSA varient, described in Wikipedia as "Upgraded variant with L3 for maritime surveillance platform."
Operational dates: 2009-present

Detailed technical description at http://www.aerospace-technology.com/pro ... dier_q300/

From http://www.casr.ca/ai-dash8-q300-specia ... patrol.htm

"Japan Coast Guard Q300s: A less threatening form of sovereignty assertion in a Hot Spot

[Japan Coast Guard dropping life raft - Field Aviation photo] The largest user of Q300 patrol aircraft is the Japan Coast Guard (or Kaijō Hoan-chō ) [8] which bought a total of nine conversions. Field Aviation refers to the Japanese Q300s as DHC-8-300 MPA/SAR – maritime patrol aircraft/search and rescue platforms – a subtle difference from Swedish and Icelandic conversions – as DHC-8-300 MSA/SAR, to emphasize surveillance. Like the Scandanavian Q300s, Japanese conversions have 360° maritime search radar in a belly radome and chin-mounted EO turrets. Japanese Q300s also feature a belly drop hatch (shown above).[9]

[Japan Coast Guard Q300 on patrol - Field Aviation photo] Missing, compared with Scandanavian Q300s, are the SLAR antennae forward of the search radar radome (monitoring oil slicks obviously being a lower priority for Japan Coast Guard). But one Japanese Q300 patrol conversion has an antenna fit that no other specialty Dash 8s exhibit – JA725A (sideview, above) features a magnetic anomaly detector boom that extends from its tail cone. Why the Japan Coast Guard requires a MAD 'stinger ' is a mystery but it shows that Dash 8s can mount such a detector.

According to prime contractor, Sojitz, the Q300 was chosen for Japan Coast Guard because, when ordered, there were 33 Series 300 Dash 8s already in airline service in Japan. The Japan Coast Guard Q300s replaced locally-made NAMC YS-11 aircraft but the purchase was made in a series of contracts. The first contract (for three Q300s) was signed in Jan 2007, followed by another two in Jan 2008, and three more in Feb 2009. This was to complete the order but a ninth Q300 conversion [11] was added later. Considering political events in the East China Sea, Japan Coast Guard's Q300s represent a relatively non-aggressive surveillance platform."

[Mgellis]

By the way, for anyone looking for a fun but very serious anime series, Yomigaeru Sora – Rescue Wings is about the experiences of a rescue pilot (who originally is disappointed by the assignment because he wanted to fly F-15s...so I'm not entirely sure if this is the Japanese coast guard or a rescue unit for the Japanese Self-Defense Force, but they spend most of their time rescuing civilians). Beautiful artwork and a good story. Seriously, I wish American TV could produce a show this good about our coast guard! And this is just a freakin' cartoon!

More information is here...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yomigaeru ... scue_Wings
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclo ... hp?id=6234

[orca]

[ADDED CARRIER CAPABLE J-31, DB v440]

ORIGINAL: emsoy

ORIGINAL: orca

I second the China type 55 request.

Also is it possible to add to c-803 and yj-12 loadouts to the J-20 and J-31. I know they have not yet been on these aircraft but it seems possible and all the loadouts for these are hypothetical?

Also is it possible to make the J-31 carrier capable or add an additional J-31 carrier capable entry.

One more thing. If the F-35 agility is ever changed I suggest the J-31 is also changed.

Already added Type 055 for v440 [8D]

YJ-12 etc on J-20/J-31... hmmm lemme think about it.

Are there plans for a carrier version of J-31? Sources?

J-31 would be far more maneouverable than F-35? So Agility should be 5th Gen?

There are several sources included link below that suggest the possibility of a carrier capable J-31. But none that I'm aware of that are anything more than speculation.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... a/j-31.htm

"China's J-31 stealth fighter may also be used on the carrier in future. The Liaoning would have about 40 fixed-wing aircraft on board. Possibly the complementarity lies in the J-20 being destined for land-based operations, while the J-31 is slated to go down to the sea in ships. Carrier based aircraft are normally twin-engined for safety reasons, and the Chinese might have decided that the greater structural strength needed for carrier operations would be wasted on a land-based J-20.

The shorter J-31 would also make for easier handling on an aircraft carrier, where space is at a premium. The Chinese might also have decided that little was to be gained from trying to apply a common airframe to both the land and carrier missions. The F-4 Phantom succeeded in this effort, but the American F-35 was bedeviled by the requirements of being all things to all services.

The Chinese Military Review website published computer-generated images of the J-31 fifth generation fighter jet in action, with a variety of air to air missiles. On at least two images the aircraft is depicted with an extended tailhook that sea-based aircraft use to stop after landing on the deck of an aircraft carrier. The two-wheeled front rack chassis of the J-31 prototype also suggests the aircraft was designed for naval use, facilitating the attachment of the holdback device installed on the nosegear to the catapult, like sea-based versions of Dassault’s Rafale in France, Lockheed Martin’s F/A-18 E/F Super Hornet and the Russian Su-33. There is no indications that the J-31 prototype is capable of short take off and vertical landing, a capability of the F-35B STOVL variant."

So I understand if you are reluctant to add this as a carrier capable aircraft as it is just speculation but it would make for interesting scenarios.

[ComDev]

DEVELOPER'S NOTE: Database development slow-down

Hey guys,

Just wanted to let you know that I'll be re-directing my limited Command time (which is squeezed inbetween family life, day-job, workout, and various other interests, etc) to write code. My code contributions have been rather limited lately and I need to add several new features and fix a few bugs before I can start working on the Advanced Strike Planner.

As such I'll wrap up database work the coming weeks. After that I'll only make fixes and critical additions (i.e. needed for a scenario currently under construction) to the database. Nice-to-have stuff (that no-one will ever use in a scenario anyway haha) will not be added.

I have ca 80 database 'request tickets' left on my to-do list. If there is anything you consider extremely important (...enough to justify spending time on adding /fixing, rather than working on code) then please give me a heads-up. If not then I'll finish the db, release, and dive into the Command code.

Thanks! [:D]

[ComDev]

Added, thanks!

What about the Angolan 1980s air force? Anyone happen to have any detailed info on inventories? Esp the units used in war?

ORIGINAL: Mgellis

ORIGINAL: emsoy

Photos etc would be great. Or we can just forget about them and not waste our time & energ. No-one ever use them in a scenario anyway [:D]

Challenge accepted! [:)]

Well, at least for the Macae-class. Since it looks like that will be the main vessel of the Angolan navy for several years (c. 2020-2030) it may well get some use, especially against similar vessels from other African nations (not South African frigates...against those it would simply be outclassed).

The only image I could find that is probably available for use is...

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cate ... p,_2009%29

https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/NPa_Maca% ... -70%29.jpg



It says, on https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File ... -70%29.jpg, "The copyright holder of this file, Navy of Brazil, allows anyone to use it for any purpose, provided that the copyright holder is properly attributed. Redistribution, derivative work, commercial use, and all other use is permitted....Attribution: Navy of Brazil."

The page listed below has several images, but I am not sure they can be used in the public domain (they're in Portuguese, so I could only read the page with Google Translate, and I'm not sure it says anywhere whether the images are free to use or not).

http://www.naviosbrasileiros.com.br/ngb ... /M079.html

In this last image below, it looks like the vessel has a couple of RHIBs. I'm not sure of the size, though. 7-meter?

http://www.naviosbrasileiros.com.br/ngb ... 9-f013.jpg

page listed below has several images, but I am not sure they can be used in the public domain (they're in Portuguese, so I could only read the page with Google Translate, and I'm not sure it says anywhere whether the images are free to use or not).

[Mgellis]

I will see what I can find out. Thanks again for all your work on the database. We really appreciate it!

ORIGINAL: emsoy

Added, thanks!

What about the Angolan 1980s air force? Anyone happen to have any detailed info on inventories? Esp the units used in war?

[Mgellis]

[ADDED / UPDATED DB v440]

Angolan Air Force

As far as I can tell, all the aircraft are already in the database, so I just looked for service dates. This is what I was able to find out. I hope this helps.

Su-20M: 1983-1985
Su-22M-4K: 1990-2005
Su-25K: 1988-present
Su-27 (Flanker B): 1999-present
Su-24MK1 Fencer-D: 2000-present
MiG-17F Fresco-C: 1976-1999
Mi-24D: 1984-present
Mi-35: 1991-present
Su–30K: 2015-

Interestingly, http://www.ejection-history.org.uk/Coun ... angola.htm is useful for estimating initial service dates, as the aircraft must have been in service for Angola to lose one. At least a few of all of these appear to still be in service.

Mig-21 MF: 1976-present
An-26: 1982-present
Mig-21bis: 1982-present
Mi-8T: 1978-present
MiG-21 PFM: 1983-present
MiG-23ML: 1984-present

[KLAB]

[UPDATED DB v440]

Thanks for all the work on the DB.
Small and hopefully easily changed DB request.
The 439 DB shows most modern PLAN PLAAF aircraft (J-10,J-11 etc) using PL-9 as the default SRAAM, all the image evidence I can find appears to show the PL-8B is actually used and the PL-9 is an export only missile. E.g The PAF J-17 Thunder uses the PL-9 which is visually more of a AIM-9 clone than the Python 3 derived PL-8B, so they are quite distinguishable.
The PL-8A (Python 3 copy) was upgraded (exact dates TBC) to produce the PL-8B and appears to have similar performance to the later variants of the PL-9, all aspect, dual band IR, circa 15km optimum conditions range etc etc.
Hopefully its relatively easy to just change the DB entry title from PL-9 to PL-8B and create a separate new entry for the PL-9 as there are relatively few users of it unlike the multiple loads for the PL-8B. Likewise the entry for the J-7/F-7 Nigerian AF Fishbed clone and others uses the PL-8 when most data shows the Nigerians and other J-7 users purchased the PL-9 as part of the export weapons package.
Will be quite happy to post links evidencing this all when permitted.

Many Thanks
Karl[:)]

[ComDev]

Thanks for your feedback Karl [:D]

Would it be possible to post photos etc that shows this?

[ojms]

Hi,

One thing I've noticed is that there is Type 26 GCS 2021 and Type 26 GCS 2022 in the DB but I can't seem to see any difference between the two models. Sorry to be a PITA but can anyone see what it is?

Thanks.

[ComDev]

The difference is the Wildcat magazine [:D]

[KLAB]

[UPDATED DB v440]

Cannot post links yet but there are many images and all show the PL-8 not PL-9 on operational PLAN PLAAF aircraft. Notable is the J-11BH which had a near miss with a P-8 in August last year.
Janes states it was armed with PL-12 AND PL-8.

When I permitted and have accumulated enough posts I will post the links,
[:)]
Regards
Karl

[ComDev]

ORIGINAL: Mgellis

Angolan Air Force

As far as I can tell, all the aircraft are already in the database, so I just looked for service dates. This is what I was able to find out. I hope this helps.

Su-20M: 1983-1985
Su-22M-4K: 1990-2005
Su-25K: 1988-present
Su-27 (Flanker B): 1999-present
Su-24MK1 Fencer-D: 2000-present
MiG-17F Fresco-C: 1976-1999
Mi-24D: 1984-present
Mi-35: 1991-present
Su–30K: 2015-

Interestingly, http://www.ejection-history.org.uk/Coun ... angola.htm is useful for estimating initial service dates, as the aircraft must have been in service for Angola to lose one. At least a few of all of these appear to still be in service.

Mig-21 MF: 1976-present
An-26: 1982-present
Mig-21bis: 1982-present
Mi-8T: 1978-present
MiG-21 PFM: 1983-present
MiG-23ML: 1984-present

Sweet, thanks! Some of the aircraft were already there, have added the rest.

Could you also try to dig up info on their SAM, AAA and radar systems?

[ComDev]

Yes you are right [:D] Have updated the database as per your advice. Thanks!

ORIGINAL: KLAB

Cannot post links yet but there are many images and all show the PL-8 not PL-9 on operational PLAN PLAAF aircraft. Notable is the J-11BH which had a near miss with a P-8 in August last year.
Janes states it was armed with PL-12 AND PL-8.

When I permitted and have accumulated enough posts I will post the links,
[:)]
Regards
Karl

[Rudd]

[UPDATED / ADDED DB v440]

Could you also try to dig up info on their SAM, AAA and radar systems?

Not sure about IOCs or the 80's timeframe but looking at GE

Current SA-2s appear correct in DB, 6 single-rails with SNR-75.

All Angolan SA-3 sites in imagery(2000ish to now) are the 3 quad-rail setup(some sites have been reduced to 2 quad-rail launchers).

Current radars in DB cover it from what I can see.

Plenty of AAA around SAM sites, will need some more time on this.

[Mgellis]

DEVELOPER'S NOTE: Database development slow-down

Hey guys,

Just wanted to let you know that I'll be re-directing my limited Command time (which is squeezed inbetween family life, day-job, workout, and various other interests, etc) to write code. My code contributions have been rather limited lately and I need to add several new features and fix a few bugs before I can start working on the Advanced Strike Planner.

As such I'll wrap up database work the coming weeks. After that I'll only make fixes and critical additions (i.e. needed for a scenario currently under construction) to the database. Nice-to-have stuff (that no-one will ever use in a scenario anyway haha) will not be added.

I have ca 60 database 'request tickets' left on my to-do list, down from 80 last week. If there is anything you consider extremely important (...enough to justify spending time on adding /fixing, rather than having me working on code) then please give me a heads-up. If not then I'll finish the db, release, and dive into the Command game engine.

Thanks! [:D]



[ADDED / UPDATED DB v440]

ORIGINAL: emsoy

Sweet, thanks! Some of the aircraft were already there, have added the rest.

Could you also try to dig up info on their SAM, AAA and radar systems?

This is what I was able to find out. As far as I can tell, all of these are in the database already, so I just listed the service dates. The dates in some cases are "conservative"--I'm not sure of the exact dates, so I am only listing the earliest and latest dates for which I can find some evidence that Angola had these in service.

PT-76 tank: 1975-present
T-34 tank: 1975-1990
T-54/55 tank: 1975-present
T-62 tank: 1990-present
T-72 tank: 1999-present

BM-21 GRAD: 1980-present
BRDM-2: 1980-present
BMP-1: 1990-present
BMP-2: 1990-present
BTR-60: 1980-present

D-30 122 mm Howitzer, 1980-present
M-46 130 mm field gun, 1990-present

ZPU-4 14.5mm, 1980-present
ZSU-23-4 Shilka Self-propelled anti-aircraft gun, 1980-present
ZSU-57-2 Self-propelled anti-aircraft gun, 1980-present
S-60, 57mm towed AA gun, 1990-present

SA-7: 1980-present

SA-3b, 1980-present
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-125_Neva/Pechora

From Fledgling to Eagle: The South African Air Force During the Border War, by Dick Lord, suggests that by 1982, Angola had the following SAMS: SA-2, SA-6, SA-8, SA-9, SA-13, SA-14, and SA-16. SA-8s and SA-9s definitely appear to have been in service by the end of 1983 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Askari). All appear to still be in service.

The radars used by Angola listed in the database so far almost all seem to be been built by the Soviets in the 1950s, so I'm assuming they could have been in service any time during the Angola civil war.

I hope this helps.

[ComDev]

I'm taking another look at this one, and will try to add it to the database if I can find enough info. Anyone know the main diff between Block 1 abd Block 2?

And what are the typical combat loadouts?

Thanks!

ORIGINAL: Mgellis

For the Archangel, I found these and I hope they are helpful...

http://www.airrecognition.com/index.php ... le&id=1813

http://maxdefense.blogspot.com/2014/06/ ... e-air.html <-- compares the Archangel to the Super Tucano

ORIGINAL: emsoy

Lol its a converted crop sprayer [8D]

Not nearly enough info available for us to add it though...

ORIGINAL: Tarawa565

Kind of a cool new platform coming up:

http://www.iomax.net/archangel/

http://www.janes.com/article/42680/ioma ... -prototype

The UAE is getting some already, as well as Jordan. Could be a fun plane for "what if" scenarios. And cheap, comparatively