Moderator: MOD_WarintheWest
Yes the Soviets will have a large air force. It does not mean they will be able to do much with it except get shot down a lot. Their pilots will be worse than the Allied pilots and their planes will not be as good.
ORIGINAL: PeltonBut its historical.ORIGINAL: KWG
Yes it is and it's silly to think that a airplane could destroy a battleship.
ORIGINAL: Pelton
Be interesting to see what unhistorical combat ratio is spit out by the combat engine this turn from your 5 week long Cobra offensive.
and as we can see Red it has zero effect on the VP's, so what is the down side?
This is why we call it an exploit.
Nothing wrong here people move along [:-] everything is WAD.
Historical ratio 1.5 yo 1
WitW engine ratio 5 to 1 at least.
[Be interesting to see what unhistorical combat ratio is spit out by the combat engine this turn from your 5 week long Cobra offensive.
During the period from December 7, 1942, through January 31, 1943, the 11th Panzer Division was credited with destroying 225 tanks, 347 antitank guns, 35 artillery pieces, and killing 30,700 Soviet soldiers. Balck’s losses for the same period were 16 tanks, 12 antitank guns, 215 soldiers killed in action, 1,019 wounded, and 155 missing.
When the weather cleared on December 23, the battle began in earnest. The Germans committed over 800 fighters to support their forces and to attempt to gain local air superiority. The Allied response was overwhelming. Hundreds of fighters, fighter-bombers, and medium and heavy bombers from the Eighth and Ninth Air Forces and RAF Bomber Command filled the skies over Europe. They engaged the Germans in air-to-air combat and strafed and bombed enemy positions, troop concentrations, tanks, motored vehicles, trains, bridges, and artillery, in effect, isolating the battlefield.
ORIGINAL: Seminole
ORIGINAL: PeltonBut its historical.ORIGINAL: KWG
Yes it is and it's silly to think that a airplane could destroy a battleship.
I believe that KWG was making a not so veiled reference to Billy Mitchell and his fight with the US brass in both the Army and the Navy regarding the utility of bombers.
"So a military force has no constant formation, water has no constant shape: the ability to gain victory by changing and adapting according to the opponent is called genius." -Sun Tzu, Art of War
ORIGINAL: Seminole
Yes the Soviets will have a large air force. It does not mean they will be able to do much with it except get shot down a lot. Their pilots will be worse than the Allied pilots and their planes will not be as good.
Looking at the small differences in morale/exp between the air forces in the Rommel Attacks scenario and how easily the LW wipes the Allies from the sky, I'll take a wait and see on this concern as well...
ORIGINAL: Pelton
Be interesting to see what unhistorical combat ratio is spit out by the combat engine this turn from your 5 week long Cobra offensive.
and as we can see Red it has zero effect on the VP's, so what is the down side?
This is why we call it an exploit.
Nothing wrong here people move along [:-] everything is WAD.
Historical ratio 1.5 yo 1
WitW engine ratio 5 to 1 at least.
ORIGINAL: KWG
Ive not really seen much, mostly none, of a Luftwaffe presences over Normandy and NONE over Italy.
Could a unhistorical change have affected the Luftwaffe?
So historically what losses should the Luftwaffe be suffering right now?
ORIGINAL: Ralzakark
ORIGINAL: KWG
Ive not really seen much, mostly none, of a Luftwaffe presences over Normandy and NONE over Italy.
Could a unhistorical change have affected the Luftwaffe?
So historically what losses should the Luftwaffe be suffering right now?
Historically the Luftwaffe rapidly transferred aircraft to fight over Normandy - by the end of the first week they had some 1,000 aircraft of all types there.
The close support effort on 8 June alone peaked at over 500 sorties with over 200 by the bomber force the previous night. Mining sorties ran at some 60-70 almost every night for six weeks, generating some 1,500 - 2,000 sorties total.
Losses were severe. In the first week of operations Luftflotte 3 lost 362 aircraft, in the second another 232. The increasing oil shortage also meant that in July the heavier anti-shipping aircraft such as He 177s and Fw 200s started to be pulled back to Germany.
The Allies invested considerable effort in gaining and maintaining air superiority. If a German player does not use the Luftwaffe to contest the Allies' landings then there should be plenty of extra capacity available for interdiction and ground support which, historically, was flying escort, patrolling or striking Luftwaffe airfields, etc.
ORIGINAL: Seminole
ORIGINAL: PeltonBut its historical.ORIGINAL: KWG
Yes it is and it's silly to think that a airplane could destroy a battleship.
"So a military force has no constant formation, water has no constant shape: the ability to gain victory by changing and adapting according to the opponent is called genius." -Sun Tzu, Art of War
ORIGINAL: KWG
Now to the most important decision of this turn.
What to do with the 3 Armor divisions and 10 miles of gain ground?
Lets look at the German forces, they are not to be underestimated. Even though the combat value of my 1 hex in equal to the to the Germans 5 hexs at 1-1, that canbe misleading.
As the manual states about Combat values :
Accurate combat values (Cv) may not be displayed even at the highest detection level, unlike fixed combat factors that are found in other games,
the Cv in Gary Grigsby’s war in the west is a calculated value that can only provide players an idea of the combat ability of the units.
The Cv is representative of the ability to take or hold territory, often referred to as “boots on the ground.
So its telling me I have a good force to hold ground and the Germans have a equally good force to take ground. At a 1 to 1 ratio.
I lack Infantry and Iam out numbered in Infantry.
Germans will have units that will have a higher rate of fire
Germans have better armor, at maybe the same or close to numbers of the Allies.
I have a 1000 aircraft on ground support call, buts its bad weather for the bombing and strafing or I might have no planes flying.
At some point in the battle the Germans may start to get a advantage in rate of effective fire that will start to turn the tide of the batttle to their favor.
Plus what the forces are NOW may not be what they are NEXT turn. As shown by the arrows the Germans can shift their forces to build up the attack hexs and they can move many units into reserve mode. Even though there is a penality for the firing effect of large attacking forces, there will still be a good amount of attacking units getting shots in.
And the most important factor is that by pulling back, "Reloading The Bolt", the overall power of my forces is greatly increased, when compared to holding the hex. Plus I moved many units into Normandy this turn. The Germans will have to leave their entrenchments to take 1 hex.
ORIGINAL: Pelton
Germany can only take what it is given and as Germany defending its all about hexes to Berlin.
ORIGINAL: Harrybanana
ORIGINAL: Pelton
Germany can only take what it is given and as Germany defending its all about hexes to Berlin.
This is true in WitE and perhaps in a very few WitW games; but I believe in the vast majority of WitW games between roughly equal opponents and playing with EF Off the Allies will not get anywhere near Berlin. If I am wrong show me the recent AARs where this has happened. I'm not saying the German Player can totally rule this out; but I am saying that if you want to win the Game (as opposed to the War) as the Germans you need to focus less on holding Berlin and more on ways to increase the negative VPs and decrease the positive ones. Encouraging the Allies to use his Strategic bombers to break your lines rather than bombing for positive VPs or bombing your VWpn sites and factories to avoid negative VPs is one way to do this. Another is to inflict 8000 casualties per turn, regardless of your casualties. Assuming half of these are American and half are Other, that is -10 VPs per turn.
Personally I am more interested (at least as the Allies) in winning the War than I am the Game, but each to his own.
