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Went to a matinee of Incredibles II with the Chickenboy Juniors and The Missus yesterday. It was very well done and a worthy sequel. Strongly recommended. [8D]
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Can't wait to see this next month when it opens here. It's been a long time coming so let's hope its worth the wait.

Seen the trailer for Wreck-it Ralph II and the new live action Winnie the Pooh. Really looking forward to these two too.

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Watched the final two episodes of The Expanse last night. Insanely good. Really looking forward to season 4, whenever it comes out under Bezos' gaze.

For any other devotees of the show: Who is your favorite character? I vacillate between Miller and Amos, probably the former. [8D]
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Went to a matinee of Incredibles II with the Chickenboy Juniors and The Missus yesterday. It was very well done and a worthy sequel. Strongly recommended. [8D]
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Can't wait to see this next month when it opens here. It's been a long time coming so let's hope its worth the wait.

Seen the trailer for Wreck-it Ralph II and the new live action Winnie the Pooh. Really looking forward to these two too.

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got good reviews, but we missed it in the theaters. Your clan seen it? We enjoyed the first one.
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Oh yes and the general consensus is its even better than the first. Got it on DVD too [:)]


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With the World Cup in full swing..... [:(]

https://www.espnplayer.com/video/the-two-escobars
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The film of the book...Tokyo Fiancee.

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Watched the final two episodes of The Expanse last night. Insanely good. Really looking forward to season 4, whenever it comes out under Bezos' gaze.

For any other devotees of the show: Who is your favorite character? I vacillate between Miller and Amos, probably the former. [8D]

The season finale was very nicely done! I think there were a few places where they had to abbreviate some character arcs as compared to the books, but all reasonable considering the time constraints of television.

It is probably easier for me to select a most annoying character (Diogo, easily) rather than a single favorite. The acting is pretty well done and it is difficult to read the books and not hear the actor's voice. Shohreh Aghdashloo pulls off a very convincing Avasarela, I was watching Vice and I kept expecting Thomas Jane's character to start mumbling about 'doors and corners'.[8D]
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Watched the final two episodes of The Expanse last night. Insanely good. Really looking forward to season 4, whenever it comes out under Bezos' gaze.

For any other devotees of the show: Who is your favorite character? I vacillate between Miller and Amos, probably the former. [8D]

The season finale was very nicely done! I think there were a few places where they had to abbreviate some character arcs as compared to the books, but all reasonable considering the time constraints of television.

It is probably easier for me to select a most annoying character (Diogo, easily) rather than a single favorite. The acting is pretty well done and it is difficult to read the books and not hear the actor's voice. Shohreh Aghdashloo pulls off a very convincing Avasarela, I was watching Vice and I kept expecting Thomas Jane's character to start mumbling about 'doors and corners'.[8D]

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Just an FYI: My wife was good friends with Daniel Abraham growing up in Albuquerque, NM. Graduated together from Albuquerque High. Mr. Abraham is 1/2 of James S.A. Corey. I've met him a time or two also. But he's a home town boy-still lives there. [8D]
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I'm liking currently a lot the historical documentaries put together by TIK on his YT Channel. Highly recommended.

https://www.youtube.com/user/TheImperat ... t/featured
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I'm liking currently a lot the historical documentaries put together by TIK on his YT Channel. Highly recommended.

Yeah, but I've detected a certain bias in some that I've seen more recently. Some of the statistics that he treats as unassailable facts are quite questionable in origin. And some of his subjective conclusions are sometimes spotty as well.
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Can't wait to see this next month when it opens here.

Oi! You take the young 'uns yet? It's 'next month' now.
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The Terror was really good, if you think you can handle it.
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Can't wait to see this next month when it opens here.

Oi! You take the young 'uns yet? It's 'next month' now.
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It opens here on the 13th so we will do so in the next couple of weeks.
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I'm liking currently a lot the historical documentaries put together by TIK on his YT Channel. Highly recommended.

Yeah, but I've detected a certain bias in some that I've seen more recently. Some of the statistics that he treats as unassailable facts are quite questionable in origin. And some of his subjective conclusions are sometimes spotty as well.

can you provide some examples of this? The video I watched always quoted the sources, and TIK reasoning - while being debatable like any form of reasoning is - at least look sound.

That other people reach different conclusions is normal, but, then, I would like to hear their reasoning - and about their sources.
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I'm liking currently a lot the historical documentaries put together by TIK on his YT Channel. Highly recommended.

Yeah, but I've detected a certain bias in some that I've seen more recently. Some of the statistics that he treats as unassailable facts are quite questionable in origin. And some of his subjective conclusions are sometimes spotty as well.

can you provide some examples of this? The video I watched always quoted the sources, and TIK reasoning - while being debatable like any form of reasoning is - at least look sound.

That other people reach different conclusions is normal, but, then, I would like to hear their reasoning - and about their sources.

Two examples:

The first was his overreliance on state documents from the former Soviet Union / modern Russia re: Russian / Soviet casualties on the Eastern Front. All to deflate the 'German invincibility' straw man argument. He seemed intent on deflating this (non-existent) myth by using dubious / spurious / probably fraudulent statistics spoon-fed him by the Soviet / Russian state. Without once questioning the verity of such materials being spoon-fed him.

Could the Russians want to downplay their poor performance (particularly early on) by tweaking historical numbers of casualties and obscure the effect of the Red Army purge? Is that the sort of thing-manipulating history to suit current political expediencies-that they are likely to foist upon an unsuspecting foreigner? Was Tik aware that he was being set up? Was he paid or encouraged to float such nonsense? All good questions that discerning viewers should ask themselves.

The second was an otherwise very good review of Market-Garden. Good supportive documentation and insight. But his conclusions about the failure (whose fault was it?) were unsound. He came back to Gavin as being instrumental in the failure of Market-Garden. Gavin? Really? He glossed over the attendant responsibility of Browning or-God forbid-Montgomery as primary overseers and blamed 'middle management'. It's not that American military leadership cannot lay an egg. We had plenty of that. But in an operation headed by Field Marshall Montgomery and then Browning and then 'middle management', the ultimate fault for the failure of an operation should probably be higher up the food chain. Unless you're bias.
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Watched the final two episodes of The Expanse last night. Insanely good. Really looking forward to season 4, whenever it comes out under Bezos' gaze.

For any other devotees of the show: Who is your favorite character? I vacillate between Miller and Amos, probably the former. [8D]

The season finale was very nicely done! I think there were a few places where they had to abbreviate some character arcs as compared to the books, but all reasonable considering the time constraints of television.

It is probably easier for me to select a most annoying character (Diogo, easily) rather than a single favorite. The acting is pretty well done and it is difficult to read the books and not hear the actor's voice. Shohreh Aghdashloo pulls off a very convincing Avasarela, I was watching Vice and I kept expecting Thomas Jane's character to start mumbling about 'doors and corners'.[8D]

OldSarge,

Just an FYI: My wife was good friends with Daniel Abraham growing up in Albuquerque, NM. Graduated together from Albuquerque High. Mr. Abraham is 1/2 of James S.A. Corey. I've met him a time or two also. But he's a home town boy-still lives there. [8D]

I did not know that, but it makes sense. George R. Martin lives up in Santa Fe and has been known as a long time RPG gamer and The Expanse grew out of a conversation Abraham and Franck were having while at a game hosted by Martin. It is pretty neat that The Expanse got its start as a possible living Universe for a MMO game. [8D]

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I've just finished watching The Lighthorsemen.

The story about the Australian light cavalry at the battle of Beersheba in 1917. It is nicely done and the charge is pretty gripping. The idea of cavalry charging an entrenched infantry position, under direct machinegun and field gun fire is just crazy. The fact that it worked is amazing.
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The season finale was very nicely done! I think there were a few places where they had to abbreviate some character arcs as compared to the books, but all reasonable considering the time constraints of television.

It is probably easier for me to select a most annoying character (Diogo, easily) rather than a single favorite. The acting is pretty well done and it is difficult to read the books and not hear the actor's voice. Shohreh Aghdashloo pulls off a very convincing Avasarela, I was watching Vice and I kept expecting Thomas Jane's character to start mumbling about 'doors and corners'.[8D]

OldSarge,

Just an FYI: My wife was good friends with Daniel Abraham growing up in Albuquerque, NM. Graduated together from Albuquerque High. Mr. Abraham is 1/2 of James S.A. Corey. I've met him a time or two also. But he's a home town boy-still lives there. [8D]

I did not know that, but it makes sense. George R. Martin lives up in Santa Fe and has been known as a long time RPG gamer and The Expanse grew out of a conversation Abraham and Franck were having while at a game hosted by Martin. It is pretty neat that The Expanse got its start as a possible living Universe for a MMO game. [8D]


My wife used to play GURPS with Abraham and other HS friends in ABQ growing up. Was it GURPS? [8D]
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Two examples:

The first was his overreliance on state documents from the former Soviet Union / modern Russia re: Russian / Soviet casualties on the Eastern Front. All to deflate the 'German invincibility' straw man argument. He seemed intent on deflating this (non-existent) myth by using dubious / spurious / probably fraudulent statistics spoon-fed him by the Soviet / Russian state. Without once questioning the verity of such materials being spoon-fed him.

Could the Russians want to downplay their poor performance (particularly early on) by tweaking historical numbers of casualties and obscure the effect of the Red Army purge? Is that the sort of thing-manipulating history to suit current political expediencies-that they are likely to foist upon an unsuspecting foreigner? Was Tik aware that he was being set up? Was he paid or encouraged to float such nonsense? All good questions that discerning viewers should ask themselves.

It seemed to me that TIK warned about how unreliable both the Germans and the Soviet sources were during the Cold War. True, his main point is how the Western historians relied too much on German sources, due to the realities of the Cold War. However, his second point is that through the modern works of historians like Erickson and Glantz it is possible to see how the Germans were beaten operationally on the battlefield, and not merely by being overrun by a tsunami of Russian hordes.

That's, of course, TIK's opinion. But, IMHO, it is an opinion supported by sources that he quotes and that are publicly available (like Glanz's lecture on the matter available on Youtube itself). You may feel that other historians are more reliable, and reach different conclusions. But this is part of what makes the study of history so fascinating [:)]
The second was an otherwise very good review of Market-Garden. Good supportive documentation and insight. But his conclusions about the failure (whose fault was it?) were unsound. He came back to Gavin as being instrumental in the failure of Market-Garden. Gavin? Really? He glossed over the attendant responsibility of Browning or-God forbid-Montgomery as primary overseers and blamed 'middle management'.

I saw that video, and I feel that the point is much simpler: Gavin had the opportunity to capture the Nimegen bridge as soon as the 82nd landed, but wasted precious hours and at the end the Germans were able to bring in reinforcements.

Gavin was the man on the spot, and he fumbled a crucial tactical move. Again, this may be a matter of sources. However, once more it seems to me that TIK quotes his sources. People who rely on different ones can reach different conclusions - but these different sources should, at least, be named.
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It seemed to me that TIK warned about how unreliable both the Germans and the Soviet sources were during the Cold War. True, his main point is how the Western historians relied too much on German sources, due to the realities of the Cold War. However, his second point is that through the modern works of historians like Erickson and Glantz it is possible to see how the Germans were beaten operationally on the battlefield, and not merely by being overrun by a tsunami of Russian hordes.

If the figures were as unreliable as he said, it's quite possible that NO reasonable conclusion could be based upon them. Yet he continued to bring up casualty list after casualty list from precisely those tainted sources. While the Nazis are kaput and unlikely to re-emerge to reinvent history, the other guys are trying very hard to do just that. So sources that are derived from or provided from the Soviet archives are *more* questionable, IMO. And arguing what constitutes 'hordes' of Soviets is semantics, IMO.

I get it-the Germans were beat solidly by 1945. Yup. I think even modest scholars of the Second World War understand that the Russian performance as the war progressed improved in all facets. TIK's overanalysis of shaky data points trying to parse out FOW casualty figures to attempt to prove a semantic argument was laborious and, ultimately, unconvincing. YMMV.
The second was an otherwise very good review of Market-Garden. Good supportive documentation and insight. But his conclusions about the failure (whose fault was it?) were unsound. He came back to Gavin as being instrumental in the failure of Market-Garden. Gavin? Really? He glossed over the attendant responsibility of Browning or-God forbid-Montgomery as primary overseers and blamed 'middle management'.

I saw that video, and I feel that the point is much simpler: Gavin had the opportunity to capture the Nimegen bridge as soon as the 82nd landed, but wasted precious hours and at the end the Germans were able to bring in reinforcements.

Gavin was the man on the spot, and he fumbled a crucial tactical move. Again, this may be a matter of sources. However, once more it seems to me that TIK quotes his sources. People who rely on different ones can reach different conclusions - but these different sources should, at least, be named.

Know who was at Gavin's side during the entirety of the operation? Browning. He dropped in with the 82nd. HE was the man on the ground who should have interceded for the sake of the operation. Failing that, Montgomery had additional oversight responsibilities.

My opinion is that Gavin should have taken the bridge by the first afternoon. My opinion is also that the entire operation was doomed to failure and that the operational failure should lie with the high command. Montgomery and Browning being the two most obvious.

I appreciated TIK's effort to bring up this tactical failure. He (briefly) glossed over the other significant failures of concept and operational leadership. Briefly. Before rendering his conclusion. There were a laundry list of reasons why the operation failed. All of them pretty good reasons for failure. He subjectively chose one that was further down the chain of causality.

Sources schmources. He can cite sources after the fact. But to then use those sources to put together an argument that is wholly subjective and only a fraction of the complicated explanation for failure? Nah. Source 1: spaghetti. Source 2: spaghetti. Source 3: spaghetti. Conclusion? Banana. Irrelevant conclusion based upon the source material.

Heavy weighs the crown. All too often, divisional leaders or battalion or regimental leaders got the dirty end of the stick pointed at them when a poorly conceived 'shoestring' plan went belly up on them. I believe that operational / theater leadership needs to be where the buck stops, not the lower rungs of the leadership ladder.

Example: The 1st and 29th infantry are repulsed at Omaha. The landings fail. Eisenhower must face the press. Instead of his now famous 'the fault is my own' note, he blames Generals Huebner, Taylor and Cota for their failure to secure their tactical objectives. Hardly inspiring leadership.

ETA: Found this from Browning's Wiki page:

After the war, Gavin and his staff were criticised for the decision to secure the high ground around Groesbeek before attempting the capture of the Waal bridge at Nijmegen. Browning took responsibility for this, noting that he "personally gave an order to Jim Gavin that, although every effort should be made to effect the capture of the Grave and Nijmegen bridges as soon as possible, it was essential that he should capture the Groesbeek Ridge and hold it".[73]

Is that a sufficient source for you?
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Sources schmources. He can cite sources after the fact. But to then use those sources to put together an argument that is wholly subjective and only a fraction of the complicated explanation for failure? Nah. Source 1: spaghetti. Source 2: spaghetti. Source 3: spaghetti. Conclusion? Banana. Irrelevant conclusion based upon the source material.

But, as TIK points out, Beevor too falls in this trap. After hammering Horrocks over and over for being late at Nimegen, Beevor admits that the XXX Corps was actually on time and the crucial 36 hours were lost due to the need to capture the bridge from the Germans. So, if you are the first to admit that the XXX Corps was on time at Nimegen, contradicting yourself over and over is not the best way to make your case. You only make an obvious case of blame shifting.
Heavy weighs the crown. All too often, divisional leaders or battalion or regimental leaders got the dirty end of the stick pointed at them when a poorly conceived 'shoestring' plan went belly up on them. I believe that operational / theater leadership needs to be where the buck stops, not the lower rungs of the leadership ladder.

Beevor himself makes the case that not capturing Nimegen's bridge timely was Browing's fault. However, as TIK points out, Gavin himself, in his own memories, says otherwise - a fact apparently ignored by Beevor. Why should Gavin, after the war, take responsibility for the mistake if he was actually acting under Browing's orders?
After the war, Gavin and his staff were criticised for the decision to secure the high ground around Groesbeek before attempting the capture of the Waal bridge at Nijmegen. Browning took responsibility for this, noting that he "personally gave an order to Jim Gavin that, although every effort should be made to effect the capture of the Grave and Nijmegen bridges as soon as possible, it was essential that he should capture the Groesbeek Ridge and hold it".[73]

Is that a sufficient source for you?

With all due respect... from a Wiki? [:)] TIK, at least, provides other (readily available) books for the viewer to check. And the above holds true: in his memories Gavin takes responsibility for the decision. What would be it, then? A delayed case of gallantry?

I'm not saying that TIK is infallible, or the new Messiah of WWII historiography. I like, however, how he researches different sources (a number of them based on only recently discovered materials) to challenge the sedimented perceptions about many issues surrounding WWII. At the very least, it gets your brain moving - and to exercise is always good, even for the brain. [:)]
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