Spanking of the Sheep! - Allied Surrender on T53

[JocMeister]

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[font="Verdana"]D-day +2 After Air Phase[/font]
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Results are about as expected although WA losses are lighter then I thought. 2nd RAF is pretty much gutted though with the Typhoons taking 70% losses.

Its impossible to show everything that happened but here are some examples.

[JocMeister]

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[font="Verdana"]2nd RAF[/font]
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The Typhoons are pretty beat up. P47s didn´t take many losses but morale took a nose dive below 20 on all groups. Why?

[JocMeister]

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[font="Verdana"]German losses[/font]
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Did a lot better in my AI game but still pretty decent results. No Tigers in sight. Yet. [:)]

[JocMeister]

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[font="Verdana"]Air losses[/font]
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Typhoons took a little bit less losses then I can expected. But 7 more weeks of this and I´m out of them. Heavy Bomber pools are golden with 1000+ of both British and US pools.

P47 pools are starting to get thin. Might have to switch some over to P38s.

[JocMeister]

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[font="Verdana"]Interdiction[/font]
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Sorted now with correct altitudes and help from Meklore. [:)]

[Q-Ball]

That's some serious tank carnage! Nice job!

The price for such carnage is fatigue and plane losses. You can't sustain that pace, which is fine, because Germans can't sustain 600+ tank losses a turn. I know Meklore uses P-39 and P-40 over France, solely because you have those in numbers and can take losses. You may have to switch to those lesser types. Use the Hurricane IIC as well, it has rockets, and is probably in your pool in numbers.

You just don't get enough Typhoons to equip more than a couple dozen RAF squadrons in any sustainable way. Too bad.....

[marion61]

It's not sustainable. I have plenty of planes, but half are usually on rest now. Flying them like that for over a month is pointless. You lose way to many pilots just to OP losses, so once I've loosened his line up, they started resting at higher moral levels. My typhoons have took a beating, but the main push to get on is over and they can rest. It will take him several turns to restock his tanks and by then the typhoons will be replenished, and the P47-25 will be in production, and it carries rockets and gas.

[JocMeister]

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[font="Verdana"]D-Day +2 End[/font]
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This is the landing after the turn is done. We manage to smack Liebstandarte, Panzer Lehr and 26th Panzer around some. All three rout. This allowed me to shift the Canadians west and link up with the rest of the beachheads. Also freed up 2 more Ampibs which join the other two in preparation of a nice little OP I have planned. Those 6 Panzer IDs Pelton mentioned worries me though...

I even manage to reinforce with to solid armor divisions. Going by memory it was the 1st British Guards and 6 US armored ID.

I suspect Pelton will hit my center next turn and try to divide my beachheads. If he succeeds things will get very dicey. Not sure how much offensive power he has left now though? The HG is very beat up and the Das Reich and Hitler Jugend was hit pretty hard sitting in a 9 interdiction hex now. The 12th Panzer is also in a very bad shape with only 3 CV left.

How much more can I expect if he doesn´t release the 6 Panzers he mentioned?

[marion61]

They can't be too far away, those 6 panzer divisions. Find them with recon and spend a day or two tank busting them. I'm not sure giving up the Canadian beaches was a good idea. You lost the ability to "hold at all cost" now. A taken beach is gone and you lose the benefit. Another few turns and he won't have any army left to stop you with. You slaughtered so many tanks that last air phase, I know that hurt his attack potential.

[JocMeister]

ORIGINAL: meklore61

They can't be too far away, those 6 panzer divisions. Find them with recon and spend a day or two tank busting them. I'm not sure giving up the Canadian beaches was a good idea. You lost the ability to "hold at all cost" now. A taken beach is gone and you lose the benefit. Another few turns and he won't have any army left to stop you with. You slaughtered so many tanks that last air phase, I know that hurt his attack potential.

Yeah. Perhaps I should have let them stay. But the Amphib was so beat up I didn´t dare leave it there for another turn and without supply...this way I still have 5 hexes and the troops have supply.

I just need more time to use the air force. Question is if I´ll get it. If I loose another beach next turn I think I´m done for.

[JeffroK]

While he might have 6 Pz Divs in reserve, he might be fearful of bringing them too close for fear of being smashed.
I would assume he is fully aware of what the Allied Air Forces can do.

Is Italy still moving forward or have you hit his stop line??

Plus [:D] Get a Second Invasion prepped and threatening.

[JocMeister]

ORIGINAL: JeffK

While he might have 6 Pz Divs in reserve, he might be fearful of bringing them too close for fear of being smashed.
I would assume he is fully aware of what the Allied Air Forces can do.

Is Italy still moving forward or have you hit his stop line??

Plus [:D] Get a Second Invasion prepped and threatening.

I hit his main line in Italy last turn. As someone predicted its anchored around Cassino.

I have another invasion prepping already. But due to the mysterious 6 panzers divisions I will wait for the newly freed up Amphibs to prepp as well.

[paullus99]

Perhaps Pelton is getting a little dose of "humility," perhaps?

As more players figure out the air game & what it can do, those much-feared Panzer formations aren't quite so fearful once they've been knocked around a few times by concentrated airpower.

The "threat" of those 6 Divisions is doing him more good right now than him actually using them.....once you get past a few of the learning curves, there is a whole heck of a lot more to this game than most people have uncovered just yet.

[marion61]

It's called Psyops![:D]

[JocMeister]

Still no turn back. First time since I started playing this game I´m a bit anxious to get the turn back...

[JocMeister]

Got the turn. Lost another beach head. Not looking good....

Any chance I can salvage this? Need 10 hexes in 3 turns or the silly "no beach head penalty" hits me. Just heading out for a few beers so I won´t be able to do the turn until tomorrow.

[marion61]

Four beaches, your fine. Three beaches, start thinking withdrawal. Two beaches, run like hell! Iirc, and I mean this in the nicest way, I warned you not to abandon that beach you had. The beach you moved to was no longer a beach head since he'd taken it. You moved off the hex that afforded you the largest advantage. That's how he popped you off there, and you had no fort level in that hex to help defend you. In the hex you had, you had the hold at all cost advantage which is great.

Stay, your doing okay. His cv's are no where near as high as they were. Let the skies rain death!

Quick joke. How many dead German's does it take to screw in a light bulb? None, they're all dead lol.

[JocMeister]

I think I´ll try to dislodge 1st FJ, 15th PzG and Panzer Lehr and use the armor I landed last turn to reoccupy the hex. That will give me room to land 2 or even 3 more Armor divisions.

Panzer Lehr was wrecked last turn and I can use Semiloes advice and stack 3 Amphibs in the hex prior to the attack. The armor should have enough MV to get into the hex. 2nd RAF will hit 1st SS and 2nd Panzer + HJ, HG and 11th stacks.

BC will hit that 3 ID stack to reduce its CV.

8th + 15th will hit the rails and do interdiction.

Thoughts on that?

[marion61]

My opinion? I would make no attacks until you start to see your blue depot bars start to rise. Let him expend his attacks on your wall, rotate divisions in and weaken his forces in the area with your air force. Make sure he isn't putting units close to the front, behind his lines, resting and recovering fatigue. Split your bomber air directives up so your hitting the entire line and behind it so he never gets any rest. Sit back a few turns, enjoy the k-rations, and watch cv's drop and when you see your blue supply bar going above the black one, your ready to attack.

Without seeing actual recon, and soft factors I can't really say where to hit, but make sure it's at least a two hex attack, even with reserves.

[Seminole]

Why does it look like there is a routed WA on top of a stack of 3 units (stacking 4 high)?