UPDATE III

Eagle Day to Bombing of the Reich is a improved and enhanced edition of Talonsoft's older Battle of Britain and Bombing the Reich. This updated version represents the best simulation of the air war over Britain and the strategic bombing campaign over Europe that has ever been made.

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They ?

They don't help me or we :)

when we pull this off, maybe we can get a chance to do more, but not sure if we can just grab someone elses engine and tear it apart and rebuild it each time we want to do something (they got some silly rules about things like that)


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let see, how this look



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not sure, but



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and of course


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and of course that one that took the most work



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Some nice info about the Fw 190 Sturmbocks:
http://www.luftwaffe-experten.org/forum ... topic=2339 (Registration probably required but it's worth it)

Fw 190 A-8/R2 is a standard A-8 with outer wing MK 108 cannons (no extra armor), A-8/R8 is the heavily armored Sturmbock with MG 131 removed; There's no A-8/R7.

Some minor: Fw 190D should be renamed Fw 190 D-9

Have you ever thought of adding the D-10 with Jumo 213C and MK 108 engine cannon ? (213C = 213A with secondary aggregates reshuffled to get some space for an engine cannon). It may be an early 1945 version to replace the D-9 on the production lines.
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and of course


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Look at the top left corner. Why is (squadron) in brackets?

When playing the game, how is this screen used in planning your turns?





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Looks like it is the size of the unit - the previous text is the title of eth unit - look at the Do-17 further up the page - it is III/KG 2 (gruppe).
 
so conceivably there could be units that are flights (eg "A flight 617 squadron (flight)"), or stafflen (eg 1/III/KG2 (stafflen)")?
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Roger, that is what it is, the bracked name is the unit size

that screen is just a info screen, if you want to use it that way, in fact pretty much, you never have to see it, if you do not want to, but it does tell you info about the unit, the plane type and what not

the buttons on the bottom, also let you do other things, like if you want to move the unit to another base (this is a 2ndary feature, there is a normal way to move units also) or you can change the plane type, if you have enough Spit IXs or XIVs in stock and want to change this unit over to them, you can do so here, basicly, planes upgrade based on type, fighters to fighter, Fighter bomber to Fighter bomber and so on

(so if you have a Squadron of Wellingtons, a Bomber, you can not change it into a Squadron of P-51s no matter how many 51s you have in stock)

the pilot button opens up the pilot page, if you want to look at your pilots in more detail, you can see how tired they are, how much exp they have, how many missions they have flown, how many kills they got, and again, if you want to, you can check it every day, or never check it, depending on what you want to do
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Some nice info about the Fw 190 Sturmbocks:
http://www.luftwaffe-experten.org/forum ... topic=2339 (Registration probably required but it's worth it)

Fw 190 A-8/R2 is a standard A-8 with outer wing MK 108 cannons (no extra armor), A-8/R8 is the heavily armored Sturmbock with MG 131 removed; There's no A-8/R7.

you mean the outer wing 151 removed and replaced with the 108 ?

my books says there is, the R7 was a standard A-8, uparmored to the Sturmbock standard, the R-8 was depending on point of view, either a R7 with 30mm wings guns (not all Strums flew with 30mm guns) or a R2 armored up to the R7 standard

Some minor: Fw 190D should be renamed Fw 190 D-9

that is no hassle, for the name


Have you ever thought of adding the D-10 with Jumo 213C and MK 108 engine cannon ? (213C = 213A with secondary aggregates reshuffled to get some space for an engine cannon). It may be an early 1945 version to replace the D-9 on the production lines.

yes I have, think it was the D-11 or D-13 I was more interested in though, but I wanted to wait and see how all the other productions work out, the GE production lines are much more complex then they were before, plus, I am still toying with other jets that could of been used, right now the AI is handleing the production okay, if so, we can add in more


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About the Do 217...
Can the Top Turret really be a Top Turret like the ones on a B 17?
Looks to me that it has trouble firing to the front, the turret doesn't stick much out.

BTW look at this strange version
http://www.luchtoorlog.be/do217_n2.htm

And I think one of the MG 15 was mounted in the nose besides the stiff mounted MG 151.

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About the Do 217...
Can the Top Turret really be a Top Turret like the ones on a B 17?
Looks to me that it has trouble firing to the front, the turret doesn't stick much out.

BTW look at this strange version
http://www.luchtoorlog.be/do217_n2.htm

it is suppost to have a Turret, the pic I used may not be the best to try and show it, not really sure if in real life it could fire forward or not

looks like that may be a early model of the dive flaps, pretty sure the later models just had panels that opened up in the tail, sort of like the tail fins on a retarded bomb (LOL, now I know that is the right term, but it sure looks wrong)

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Here a pic of the turret

http://www.lietadla.com/lietadla/nemeck ... 7/veza.jpg

Here you can see the stiff build in MG and the manual used MG in the nose

http://www.lietadla.com/lietadla/nemeck ... 217_02.jpg
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Mut ist, seine Angst zu überwinden! (E. Rommel)

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Nice Site Francis, saved that one :)

Yeap Agree Duke, but a turret is a turret, it does not have to have 360 movement or field of fire to be a turret

the turret on the Defaint couldn't fire to the front either ?


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Nope...
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OK.
What about the number of guns vs. the number of gunners?
In German bombers a gunner often had to mount several weapons making the overall amount of armament less effectiv.
Was that already taken into account?
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RE: UPDATE III

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BigDuke is right.

The Ju88 for instance was credited with two single rearward firing mgs in the top rear of the cockpit. These had slightly different fields of fire left and right towards the tail.

They were served by the same crewman, so only one could actually fire rearwards at any given time. Effectively just one rear firing mg. . . . .
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Didn't know this... What a stupid, stupid arrangement...[8|]
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This strange two-gun rearward firing system was soon replaced by either a single MG 131 or a MG 81 "Zwilling" with an interruptor gear to prevent killing their own tail rudder.
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