How much

[PyleDriver]

I've been testing WitE now for 28 months. I have well over 5000 hours of game play, and still playing it right now as I watch football. Now 100 bucks divided by 5000 hours is .02 cents an hour, and I still have thousands of hours planned in the future...

[Neal_MLC]

This is the same agrument that was going on when WitP was released six years ago. Unless this game is real turkey the same thing will happen, the game will be released and we will be playing it six years later

[Lützow]

ORIGINAL: Neal_MLC

This is the same agrument that was going on when WitP was released six years ago.

War, ... war never changes. Oh wait, that was another game. [:D]

I would be willing to pay $100,- for beta participation right now and the final version at release.

[SGHunt]

ORIGINAL: british exil
...but tons of fun and despair.

Nowt to do with me I hope, Mat? [:D] We need a re-match soon, old boy.

[blastpop]

ORIGINAL: PyleDriver

I've been testing WitE now for 28 months. I have well over 5000 hours of game play, and still playing it right now as I watch football. Now 100 bucks divided by 5000 hours is .02 cents an hour, and I still have thousands of hours planned in the future...

You are at the end of the bell curve in play time for just about any game... [:D] That being said, I think $100.00 is to much to pay. I think my stretched upper limit is $80.00. It may be a great game and all, but I've been fighting on the Eastern Front with board and computer games for the last 35 years. [8D] There are so many other games out there demanding my limited time it honestly makes it VERY hard to justify such a purchase at the $100.00 price regardless of any condition or reason.

[ool]

So don't buy it. God I am sick of people wanting a whole lot for very little. The cost of putting this monster together has to be recouped. Matrix isn't a charitable organization.How else do you expect companies like Matrix to stay in business? I agree with British Exile the belly aching about the cost is idiotic. You want quality be prepared to pay for quality. If not go get something else or get a part time job and make the extra few bucks for thousands of hours of enjoyment.

[V22 Osprey]

ORIGINAL: blastpop

ORIGINAL: PyleDriver

I've been testing WitE now for 28 months. I have well over 5000 hours of game play, and still playing it right now as I watch football. Now 100 bucks divided by 5000 hours is .02 cents an hour, and I still have thousands of hours planned in the future...

You are at the end of the bell curve in play time for just about any game... [:D] That being said, I think $100.00 is to much to pay. I think my stretched upper limit is $80.00. It may be a great game and all, but I've been fighting on the Eastern Front with board and computer games for the last 35 years. [8D] There are so many other games out there demanding my limited time it honestly makes it VERY hard to justify such a purchase under any condition or reason.

Your post brings up a good point, for the price this better be the BEST Operational level Eastern Front game in existence...because, like you said, we've all played the Eastern front a million times. Heck I could load up Barbarossa on Advanced Tactics and TOAW III right now if I wanted to. That said, everyone has their limit on price, but I don't think this game will disappoint.

[blastpop]

ORIGINAL: ool

So don't buy it. God I am sick of people wanting a whole lot for very little. The cost of putting this monster together has to be recouped. Matrix isn't a charitable organization.How else do you expect companies like Matrix to stay in business? I agree with British Exile the belly aching about the cost is idiotic. You want quality be prepared to pay for quality. If not go get something else or get a part time job and make the extra few bucks for thousands of hours of enjoyment.

I think you missed the point... the point is I believe there is a saturated market for something that I've done and seen before, constantly in the past 35 years. Everyone needs to make some money and I am not denying anyone that.

ool- why are you reading this thread if you feel "I am sick of people wanting a whole lot for very little."

In the end, I hope it is excellent as the testers feel it is and can be marketed at a price a lot of people can afford. We shall see.

[AZKGungHo]

The East Front as a whole has had a ton of games done on it, that's true.  But how many games on this scale have we seen?  Not many that I know of, and certainly not recently.

So, at this scale, I'd say the market is far from over loaded.

[Lützow]

I don't know about an operational game, covering entire East Front, aside of some TOAW scenarios and the old WIR.

[Flaviusx]

Gentlemen, we have any number of AARs posted on this forum. You can judge for yourselves if this just another East Front game.

Every single one of us testers thinks otherwise. We believe this is something special. And most of us have played these other titles.

[JudgeDredd]

ORIGINAL: ool

So don't buy it. God I am sick of people wanting a whole lot for very little. The cost of putting this monster together has to be recouped. Matrix isn't a charitable organization.How else do you expect companies like Matrix to stay in business? I agree with British Exile the belly aching about the cost is idiotic. You want quality be prepared to pay for quality. If not go get something else or get a part time job and make the extra few bucks for thousands of hours of enjoyment.

And this my friends is why price threads end up dragging down games and their release.

No one is asking for a whole lot for very little (whatever that means anyway!). No one is saying that Grigsby and his crew shouldn't be able to recoup not only the price of creating this game, but have a bit of profit thrown in as well. And no one is belly aching. They're merely giving Matrix and idea of the price point they'll be willing to part with the cash. That information is extremely useful for Matrix from a marketing point of view. Sure, they have a price anyway - and they may well not change their minds because a few people say they will only pay $x - but at the end of the day, if Matrix discovered they didn't sell as many units as they had hoped then the information they garner from the forums (before and after release) could help them understand why - regardless of whether it is truly price or whether it's some other reason

If 1000 people don't buy the game because of price and walk away without saying anything, Matrix HAVE NO IDEA why they didn't buy the game - they don't know whether it wasn't their cup of tea, or because of the price, or because it didn't have a full printed manual or whatever other reason it was that they didn't buy it. Matrix run a business...and making money is part of that. And part of making money is knowing your market and knowing your customers. If you (the company) deny people the right to tell your company why you aren't selling your product - then you have missed a MASSIVE opportunity to maximise that profit you so dearly need.

If those 1000 people told Matrix the reason they didn't buy that game, Matrix as a company understand how very very important that information is. Just because you don't means squat.

So you can shout about belly aching if you want. Matrix need to know who is buying and at what price - that's great news for them. But they also need to know why people are not buying...that is just as invaluable to them.

Funny how there are people on here saying what they are willing to pay, but it's the people who say to Matrix I can't/won't pay over $x that get verbally attacked. Why is that information any less important to Matrix? So it's fine to say "I'm willing to pay $100 for this baby" but it's not alright to say "I think $100 is too much, I'd be willing to spend $80"??

There's no belly aching going on - people are just voicing their reasoning - both for and against. If you carry on with your inflamatory posts, this thread will end up like many others - "them v the others" and mud will start to be chucked around.

[Lützow]

These debates are so predictable and arise everytime Matrix releases a special title. Was the case with WitP AE, BftB, WitE now, and will happen again if WiF eventually sees the light of day. What makes it in particular annoying is the hypocritical reasoning of people pretending to talk from a 'marketing' perspective when all they want is a discount, even though there is no price announced yet. [8|]

[blastpop]

ORIGINAL: Lützow

These debates are so predictable and arise everytime Matrix releases a special title. Was the case with WitP AE, BftB, WitE now, and will happen again if WiF eventually sees the light of day. What makes it in particular annoying is the hypocritical reasoning of people pretending to talk from a 'marketing' perspective when all they want is a discount, even though there is no price announced yet. [8|]

I made no mention of discount or pretended to voice a "marketing" perspective tho JudgeDredd may be construed as such. I was merely voiced what I am willing or can afford to pay, no more than $80.00. I really want the game- just the reality of it is I'm not a fanboy of 2by3 games. If the value for the dollar is there then it will make it a "no brainer". OTOH, if it is a bit more murky then there is the need to find other ways to value the purchase. Bottom line I am price sensitive whether its a game or groceries... have always been that way and won't likely change.

Did enjoy JudgeDredd's post on the subject and his thoughtful analysis. I think he is spot on. Nice post!

Good Gaming!

[JudgeDredd]

I want no discount. Nor do I "pretend" to talk from a marketing perspective. I AM talking from a marketing perspective. There's no pretending going on and nor am I being hypocritical.

I'm actually going to buy the game and hope it's a sensible price so I can get it on release. If it's not, I've already mentioned elsewhere that I have not taken part in Matrix holiday sales until I see how much this is so I don't blow the money.

Edited for being a KJ. Sorry.

[pompack]

ORIGINAL: Lützow

These debates are so predictable and arise everytime Matrix releases a special title. Was the case with WitP AE, BftB, WitE now, and will happen again if WiF eventually sees the light of day. What makes it in particular annoying is the hypocritical reasoning of people pretending to talk from a 'marketing' perspective when all they want is a discount, even though there is no price announced yet. [8|]

Yep, déjà vu all over again [:)]

[Adam Parker]

ORIGINAL: british exil

But where I do get annoyed is reading posts where people are just complaing for complaining's sake. The game is worth the price, are you worth the game?

Hear, hear.

I for one am really looking to playing this game's Anzio scenario.

[Lützow]

ORIGINAL: JudgeDredd
If you're too much of a wanker to apologise in public for calling me a hypocrite, I'll accept it by PM

I guess it's rather on you to apologize for name calling here. Terms like w***** are not in accord with board rules anymore.

And no, I won't accept it by pm, it has to be in public.

[Neal_MLC]

I think everyone just needs to take a chill pill, wait for the game to be released and then either buy or not. Just stop it withe the flame wars. Criminey, they are annoying

[sburke1959]

well said. makes one real hesitant to look for a pbem partner when folks can't even civily agree to disagree on the pricing of a game that hasn't been released.