OT: Corona virus

[Lokasenna]

ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: witpqs

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna




That paper is almost old enough to vote. I don't think it should be used in a current context.

No, things are even more extreme now. It's so obvious just reading and listening to them.

Well, not according to research. The other more recent article posted in response show most big press organisations are sitting very close to the middle. I'm looking periodically for more studies and I'll post a range once I have some research that gives a wide view from different models.

Opinion columns do range more widely, which is not surprising.

I've seen a version of this chart before, I think. Or maybe I've seen this exact chart and just forgotten the details because there are a few surprising things to me.

The surprising things:

NBC News has an opinion section? And it is mildly conservative? (About as mildly conservative as the NYT opinion section is mildly liberal.)

Same for Yahoo news.

CNN being flat in the middle - I expected a mild conservative lean on their opinion section, about where the BBC is.

HuffPo opinion section doesn't slant as far liberal as I expected (I expected closer to Daily Kos).

[Canoerebel]

Every one of your concerns was addressed in here yesterday and today.

You're wiggling hard but basically admitting the main point - that there's a double standard (though you think it's warranted).

ORIGINAL: obvert


If projections are high, I feel that helps people to take this seriously and keep safe.

If projections, reports, even ones that show drops in numbers, happen now, that worries me that some people will begin thinking they can relax and not be as safe.

It also feels to me insincere to "celebrate" as I watch each day's death tolls.

[Lokasenna]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Wiggle, wiggle. Squirm, squirm.

As opposed to saying "wrong", which is a word of certitude, and then squiggling and worming?

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

It's essential to be cautious when facing something like this. We need to err on the side of safety, and it's better to come in under rather than over.

Every person I've interacted with in this forum is smart. We all well-intentioned, at least as much as we can be. We all wish this to end better than we feared.

It seems that the majority of our community is by nature inclined towards pessimism and a minority towards optimism (will we end parsing this un-endingly to pursue shades of "realism"?).

Pessimism is a needed trait in dealing with this. Perhaps the most important, as long as rational (and there's little doubt about that here).

Hey, cut us optimists some slack, especially when we qualify our comments and take a moment to celebrate news that ought to be celebrated.

Virtually everyone who knows me gets annoyed at my optimistic take on virtually all day to day experiences.

I am not pessimistic, but realistic, objective, and interested in learning, not predicting or defending approaches during this thread. You consistently bristle when someone challenges your ideas, predictions, attitudes or the approach the US (including various local governments) have taken.

In education criticism is not a dirty word, it's our day to day job. We offer critique to improve our students and ourselves. This is a moment in which I want to learn and attempt to prepare for how to best serve my family, friends, students and community in relation to this crisis. This thread has accumulated a lot of resources and unique contributions to help me and others do that.

Lets just stick to the topic and stop worrying if others aren't having the reaction to our posts we would hope or expect.

[Canoerebel]

Wiggle wiggle. Squirm squirm.

Two weeks ago, you said in here, "As you know, I haven't been an optimist about this."

Not one person in here (not one, not once) has admitted to being a pessimist. Apparently nobody wants to be called a pessimist. Folks who are pessimists view themselves as realists. But they admit they aren't optimists.

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ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

It's essential to be cautious when facing something like this. We need to err on the side of safety, and it's better to come in under rather than over.

Every person I've interacted with in this forum is smart. We all well-intentioned, at least as much as we can be. We all wish this to end better than we feared.

It seems that the majority of our community is by nature inclined towards pessimism and a minority towards optimism (will we end parsing this un-endingly to pursue shades of "realism"?).

Pessimism is a needed trait in dealing with this. Perhaps the most important, as long as rational (and there's little doubt about that here).

Hey, cut us optimists some slack, especially when we qualify our comments and take a moment to celebrate news that ought to be celebrated.

Virtually everyone who knows me gets annoyed at my optimistic take on virtually all day to day experiences.

I am not pessimistic, but realistic, objective, and interested in learning, not predicting or defending approaches during this thread. You consistently bristle when someone challenges your ideas, predictions, attitudes or the approach the US (including various local governments) have taken.

In education criticism is not a dirty word, it's our day to day job. We offer critique to improve our students and ourselves. This is a moment in which I want to learn and attempt to prepare for how to best serve my family, friends, students and community in relation to this crisis. This thread has accumulated a lot of resources and unique contributions to help me and others do that.

Lets just stick to the topic and stop worrying if others aren't having the reaction to our posts we would hope or expect.

[Lokasenna]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
The folks making media bias assessments are usually in league with the folks being evaluated.

Where's your citation for this, other than positing that higher education is also decidedly liberal leaning?

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
Both media and higher education are decidedly liberal leaning in the US. Frequently they have admitted this or studies have confirmed this. Attached are a few excerpts from looks at the media. There is also yesterday's 2003 study from UCLA. There have been studies of media voting habits showing a skew of 90% Democrat.

If your perception is that the NY Times, Washington Post, CNN is mainstream...there you go.

If those national news outlets that have existed for decades, essentially the dawn of their version of media in this country, are not mainstream, then there can be no mainstream.

You've also posted nothing to support a liberal lean to academic research, which is presumably what you're talking about when you say that academic research on the media "is in league with" the media they're researching.


Also also, this whole strain of discussion is liable to run afoul of the politics rule.

[Canoerebel]

Hey, Erik, I agree that this is going to derail this thread. Media bias or whatever is just a tough topic better left for a different thread. I'm fine with closing this if other folks are.

But please don't tell me that recognizing and appreciating good news is wrong or dangerous or whatever.

[Lokasenna]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Every one of your concerns was addressed in here yesterday and today.

You're wiggling hard but basically admitting the main point - that there's a double standard (though you think it's warranted).

ORIGINAL: obvert


If projections are high, I feel that helps people to take this seriously and keep safe.

If projections, reports, even ones that show drops in numbers, happen now, that worries me that some people will begin thinking they can relax and not be as safe.

It also feels to me insincere to "celebrate" as I watch each day's death tolls.

Even assuming you're correct (which I don't think you are): pot, meet kettle. I think some self-examination is in order on your part.

[Canoerebel]

[:'(]

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
The folks making media bias assessments are usually in league with the folks being evaluated.

Where's your citation for this, other than positing that higher education is also decidedly liberal leaning?

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
Both media and higher education are decidedly liberal leaning in the US. Frequently they have admitted this or studies have confirmed this. Attached are a few excerpts from looks at the media. There is also yesterday's 2003 study from UCLA. There have been studies of media voting habits showing a skew of 90% Democrat.

If your perception is that the NY Times, Washington Post, CNN is mainstream...there you go.

If those national news outlets that have existed for decades, essentially the dawn of their version of media in this country, are not mainstream, then there can be no mainstream.

You've also posted nothing to support a liberal lean to academic research, which is presumably what you're talking about when you say that academic research on the media "is in league with" the media they're researching.


Also also, this whole strain of discussion is liable to run afoul of the politics rule.

[Canoerebel]

Wiggle wiggle, squirm squirm. "We are the mainstream so we are the mainstream. If we aren't the mainstream, there is no mainstream!"

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Wiggle, wiggle. Squirm, squirm.

Is this some kind of childhood taunt I'm not familiar with? [:D]

[Canoerebel]

Nah. It's a perfectly apt description of what's going on here.

I'll stop using it, though. The point's been made.

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Working in our "fever clinic" today. All the pediatricians in the group (14 or 15) screen their patients by telehealth and the ones they are worried about they send here.

If I think they need Covid screening I send them over to our "Drive-in" in Yorba Linda. Working in a gown, face shield and N-95 mask wears you out. We have to reuse everything except the gloves. It's totally 3rd world.[:)] 5 hrs of this crap and I am worn out. 4 to go. Never wanted a martini this bad before.

I read some first hand reports no this. I can't imagine the discomfort and stress.

At 8pm here we open doors and windows and do a cheer around the neighbourhoods for the NHS workers. Here is one for you, Cap. [&o][&o][&o]

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Nah. It's a perfectly apt description of what's going on here.

I'll stop using it, though. The point's been made.

This is very juvenile. I feel like I'm in my HS freshman foundations course here.

You're being vague again. Say what you are implying and then someone can respond directly.

[Canoerebel]

Having said my piece, I'll move on from further media/education bias discussions. That is indeed best left to another thread or a beer together. Just don't take my silence as acquiescence. [:)]

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

The folks making media bias assessments are usually in league with the folks being evaluated.

You show no basis for this premiss.

[Canoerebel]

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[obvert]

I again say below I'm not being an optimist about this. Please read before commenting.

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Wiggle wiggle. Squirm squirm.

Two weeks ago, you said in here, "As you know, I haven't been an optimist about this."

Not one person in here (not one, not once) has admitted to being a pessimist. Apparently nobody wants to be called a pessimist. Folks who are pessimists view themselves as realists. But they admit they aren't optimists.

[:'(]

Virtually everyone who knows me gets annoyed at my optimistic take on virtually all day to day experiences.

I am not pessimistic, but realistic, objective, and interested in learning, not predicting or defending approaches during this thread. You consistently bristle when someone challenges your ideas, predictions, attitudes or the approach the US (including various local governments) have taken.

In education criticism is not a dirty word, it's our day to day job. We offer critique to improve our students and ourselves. This is a moment in which I want to learn and attempt to prepare for how to best serve my family, friends, students and community in relation to this crisis. This thread has accumulated a lot of resources and unique contributions to help me and others do that.

Lets just stick to the topic and stop worrying if others aren't having the reaction to our posts we would hope or expect.

[Lokasenna]

State-level visualization of data.

https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/

Note that if you highlight Georgia (apropos of CR's gut reaction claim that "the South has done well"), on the very bottom chart which is scaled by population size, you'll find that they're in the "bottom" 25. Louisiana is in the "bottom" 10.

Other Southern states in the bottom 25: Florida, Tennessee, and Mississippi.

The 25th "worst" state is New Hampshire.

So, Southern states not in the bottom 25, scaled to population on present day numbers (this dating is important, because if a state is a few days behind any of these "bottom 25" states in the count of days since passing 1 case/1M, they will not appear in the "bottom 25"):

Alabama (although their curve tracks with Tennessee's, they are about 3 days behind in the numbers)

North Carolina (8 days behind NH but many states under the TN curve and not on a trajectory to pass New Hampshire)

South Carolina (which has almost as many cases per MM as New Hampshire, but is 6 days behind the curve)

Texas (10 days behind NH and slightly above NC, may peak above NH)

West Virginia (OK, not technically "the south" but its politics are pretty similar; it is 16 days behind NH in reporting but only 5 days behind in number of cases/MM; will almost certainly pass NH)

Kentucky (7 days behind NH in reporting and right on the NH curve)




Basically, all of the Southern states are doing about as "well" as the median state (which is roughly NH).

[durnedwolf]

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

17 year old comes in with a fever. Been to the skate park every day since school was canceled AND he went out on a date last night. Is that "social distancing"?

He was keeping a social distance away from his parents to protect them. What a great young man! [:D]