Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues

[stilesw]

XQ-222 Valkyrie has a listed maximum payload of 260kg yet can carry a GBU-12D/B Paveway II LGB [Mk82] which has a listed mass of 275kg.

Ryan,

Logged. Sources indicate that the actual payload weight is up to 550lbs. Thanks.

-Wayne

[FrangibleCover]

Okay then, the first of what will probably be many database requests: Sky Sabre / CAMM(L) / EMADS / FLAAD / Land Ceptor

Sky Sabre should enter service in 2020, replacing Rapier FSC in British service. It uses the same #2783 Sea Ceptor missiles as are currently in the database under their naval name, the Giraffe AMB radar as fitted to Facility #1212 and each launcher also has some sort of dome on a stick that I suspect to be an electro-optical backup sensor. The missiles are carried in two six round pallets on each MAN SV HX60 8x8 lorry and can be reloaded en bloc. I'm afraid I'm not sure of the projected battery size, at a guess four fire units and a radar similar to Rapier. The Giraffe AMB should also be available as a standalone unit for the British Army since it is currently operated by 49 (Inkerman) Battery Royal Artillery as an air early warning radar.

army-technologydotcom/features/sky-sabre-inside-uks-missile-defence-system/ - Nice article on it
armyrecognitiondotcom/weapons_defence_industry_military_technology_uk/british_army_unveils_its_new_sky_sabre_air_defense_missile_system.html - Source for missile characteristics and a nice picture of the dome thingy

While I'm here, a little-known British air defence capability: Oerlikon GDF-002!

After the Falklands War the UK captured fifteen Argentinian Oerlikons and five Skyguard radars (the sixth Skyguard having a significant AGM-45 shaped hole in it). These weapons were refurbished and put into service with 2729 (City of Lincoln) and 2890 (City of Lincoln) Squadrons, Royal Auxiliary Air Force for air defence at RAF bases in East Anglia. The unit in game should be an exact clone of Facility #1081 due to being the same system. Some additional Skyguard radars were purchased, possibly only one replacement and possibly more, and the system continued in service until 1993. I would put an explicit note on the database entry mentioning the limited numbers and deployment so that novice missionmakers don't go scattering RAF Oerlikons across Lüneburg Heath.

rafregimentheritagecentredotorgdotuk/oerlikon-35mm-anti-aircraft-gun/ - General info
apidotparliamentdotuk/historic-hansard/written-answers/1987/nov/09/low-level-flying - Mention at the bottom.
rafwebdotorg/Organsation/AuxAF1.htm - Set up and disbandment dates for No 2729 (City of Lincoln) Squadron, No 2890 (City of Lincoln) Squadron and No 1339 Wing.

[LORDPrometheus]

Considering it lacks a laser designator I doubt it's using paveways anyway. The part that confuses me is that it is listed as having 2 weapons bays with 4 hard points in each. So unless it's dropping AGM-176 Griffins then all its pylons cannot be filled by any weapon in US inventory. I suspect each hard points has a capacity of 550lbs and it has a total capacity of 4400lbs or 1995kg which given this thing is about 2/3 the size of an F-16 which can carry 7700kg or ordinance doesn't seem that difficult to believe. Heck a reaper can carry 1700kg. Therefore total capacity would be 8 SDB or 4 GBUs of the Mk82 weight

Another thing us that the XQ-222 has a listed max weight of 950kg. This seems insanely light since even a Cessna 172 which is a slightly larger aircraft and by no means built to military standards has a gross weight of 1110kg

An even enter comparison is the EADS barracuda which has a published maximum takeoff weight of 3250kg and is also smaller than the XQ-222

All I'm saying is there is no way that thing weighs 190kg less than the world record deadlift

[Dragon029]

That might be an obsolete description for the XQ-222; it should be noted that:

1. It's now officially the XQ-58A (I believe the XQ-222 designation may have been a Kratos unofficial designation).

2. Official concept art shows the XQ-58A having a single mid-fuselage bay, with officials describing it as having a payload of 2x GBU-39s (theoretically 2x GBU-53s should also fit) https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news ... air-combat

While this gives it the payload mass capability to carry a 500lb bomb like the GBU-12, photos seem to suggest that the weapon bays are <3m in length (given that the entire aircraft is 8.8m long), making it impossible to carry a GBU-12 or GBU-38.

There have been indications (as per that article linked) that the USAF or Kratos may pursue adding external pylons, but given that the wings appear to only be around 1 to 1.5m in chord, I think it's unlikely that you'd fit a 500lb, etc weapon there (things like wing flex induced by aerodynamic forces on weapons would likely become a major concern), so if they do add wing pylons, it might only be to carry another pair of GBU-39s, or perhaps other small PGMs like the GBU-44 Viper Strike, AGM-176 Griffin, etc. They could mount a 500lb+ class weapon onto the Valkyrie by having a hardpoint or something that seals the weapon bay and lets weapons get mounted onto the bottom of the fuselage, but that would be a bit complicated and is just speculation.

3. Right now there's no confirmation that the Valkyrie has any mission systems (radar, EO/IR sensors, etc) or even chaff / flares which is correctly indicated in the database.

That said (and I'm just mentioning this for discussion's sake; not to have anything added), it has been noticed that the prototype XQ-58A does have some stealthy apertures that look like sensors of some kind. In this photo: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... flight.jpg there is some kind of aperture (possibly an intake, but it looks like it has a tinted glass over its gaps) on the side of the fuselage, just behind the "A" in "XQ-58A". There is also a a black diamond just behind the wing root, half in the shadow of the wing's trailing edge. This looks to me like some kind of missile launch detector, but there is a chance that it's a mesh vent that's just particularly dark due to the lighting and fineness of the mesh. For comparison's sake there are (what I'm 90% sure are) diamond-shaped mesh vents for engine bay ventilation on the top of the fuselage, behind and above the USAF logo. There's some other items that could be cameras or other sensors, but they're likely there purely for flight testing purposes.

[FrangibleCover]

ORIGINAL: Gunner98

Any chance we can add the Yugoslav M-87 Orkan & Orkan II MLR:

They never really reached production, there were about 12x Orkan and perhaps 4x Orkan II developed before Yugoslavia disintegrated, so they could perhaps be considered hypothetical.

They never really reached production, but still managed to see service! During the Gigantic Pan Yugoslav Whoopsie in the 90s Orkans were used by Serbian forces (one whole battery of six launchers), Croatian Serbs and supposedly some sort of Bosnians.
If you follow the link from the wikipedia page for the Zagreb rocket attacks you can get testimony to The Hague involving Croatian Serbs using them, which I view as a pretty bulletproof source.

I've got more stuff to post on Yugoslavia, with specific reference to the SOKO J-22 Orao, but it's going to be tiresome for people to look at if they have to manually find my links. Is there anything that can be done about that or should I just make some posts that don't add anything to discussions to bump my numbers up?

[LORDPrometheus]

I'm just going off the info I could easily find on my phone while on the train so I will differ to your better sources for the new stats but I still take issue with the listed vehicle weight of 310kg and max weight of 950kg. The dry weight of an MQ-1 is only 513kg and fueled that jumps to 2250kg gross. Granted the wings on an MQ-1 are massively larger than on the Valkyrie but the Valkyrie has a much larger fuselage and also uses a far more powerful jet engine rather than a 115hp radial engine. If the posted range of 2128mi is accurate (which I doubt but we'll roll with it) then it mas to carry substantially more fuel than the Predator due to A more than double the range B a much higher flight speed and C a jet engine. Obviously the exact engine used is not known and finding fuel efficiency is hard enough in civilian applications but it's not hard to assume it would weigh at least 250kg probably more. I just don't see how it could weigh only 310kg.
That number also makes the reported 550lb payload seem far more dubious. Going back to the predator the MQ-1B (the variant I've been using sorry for not mentioning that earlier) can carry 2 hellfires which have a nominal weight of 90-98kg combined. That's only 4.35% of its gross mass. Looking at a perhaps more suitable comparison an F-16C Blk 52 has a dry weight somewhere around 8700kg and can carry around 7000kg of munitions. An F-35 can carry about the same load but weighs closer to 13000kg empty. And finally an MQ-9 can carry 1700kg and has a dry weight of around 2200kg. What I am saying here is that if the Valkyrie weighs only 310kg it's payload of 550lbs makes sense as a fraction of dry weight but since it seems very unlikely that it only weighs 310kg it also seems likely that it has a higher payload.

My guess and I am not qualified to stand behind these numbers is that it probably weighs around 1000-1500kg dry and has a payload of around 600-750kg which would let it carry 4 SBD-I/II easily enough. Ultimately there just isn't enough information out on this yet and the only people I know in the USAF work on bombers so I can't directly coroberate this only make an educated guess.

[LORDPrometheus]

As for sensors on the Valkyrie I really can't say. The wing root opening you pointed out could be a sort of secondary intake but I doubt it my guess is the main engine intake is on top. Its probably not a MAWS since there is one in the frame just slightly further aft of it look for the round glass thing. As for what it could be your guess is as good as mine but since it does look forward somwehat it's possibly it's a housing for an IRST some other sort of EO system. If they want this thing to do soemthibt useful be it strike or recon it needs sensors. I would hazard a guess that there is some sort of optical sensor package below a glass of possibly transparent alumina panel under the nose. This would let it look down but not ahead so having a small side mounted camera for looking forward may be useful especially on landing if they ever need to take manual control so that is my guess. Whatever it is they are trying to protect it from debris with that sort of V shaped grate thing so sensors make sense. It could also be just for flight testing as it's pretty clearly a prototype it has stealth lines but all those massive seams and sensors sticking out would make it about as stealthy as a flying VW bug

[Dragon029]

Empty and max weight likely is incorrect, although keep in mind that this isn't meant to be a particularly agile aircraft, it's subsonic, and it's meant to land via parachute, so it can't be too heavy.

As for sensors, if the side aperture is an intake, it wouldn't be for the engine, it'd be for cooling or some other role; the only reason I'm cautious to call it a sensor aperture is that I don't see any good reason for having those chevrons over it; they're not going to provide much strength to that window and they're certainly not going to help a sensor see through it. It could still be some kind of EO/IR sensor, but it'd certainly have an unusual utility, maybe just as a weirdly positioned forward-angled MAWS, or maybe as something like a targeting pod that's just design to be used on one side while the drone orbits a target.

The small circular dome between it and the wing is what I also believe to be a camera, but I don't think that's a MAWS, I think that's just a regular camera for flight testing like I mentioned; that prototype does obviously have unstealthy things like the long pitot tube out front, but it looks to me like the things that are designed to be permanent features (like that diamond aperture I mentioned between the wing and USAF logo) have already had LO incorporated into their design.

[Gunner98]

They never really reached production, but still managed to see service! During the Gigantic Pan Yugoslav Whoopsie in the 90s Orkans were used by Serbian forces (one whole battery of six launchers), Croatian Serbs and supposedly some sort of Bosnians.
If you follow the link from the wikipedia page for the Zagreb rocket attacks you can get testimony to The Hague involving Croatian Serbs using them, which I view as a pretty bulletproof source.

Interesting, never knew that. In MF5 I plan to give Dubrovnik a bit of a 2nd go.

I think you only need 10 posts before you can attach stuff.

B

[FrangibleCover]

Still, I've got to think of two more things I want to say that don't involve links!

Given that it's for Loyal Wingman I'm fairly confident the Valkyrie will have some sort of proper forward-looking sensor and some level of air to air capability, even if it is just AIM-9X, therefore I don't think the bit on the side makes sense as a forward looking sensor. My money is on cooling vent with some sort of weird lighting going on that makes it look glazed.

[ParachuteProne]

From the King is back thread.

Sounds great!
In the current CMANO very few naval units can carry troops but in reality most naval units can carry some troops.
Even a small sub could land a squad or team.
Will this be reflected in the new game ?

[cdnice]

#722 – 509 Protecteur (Canada – 1990)
- GULF WAR BUILD
-Armament:
--- #777 & #784 Twin 3”50 (76mm/50 Twin, St. Laurent) on bow (See pic in source 2)
--- 2x Bofors 40mm guns fitted forward (See pic in source 2)
--- 6 x 0.5inch (12.7mm) machine guns
--- Blowpipe (most likely on hangar roof see pic in source 2)
--- Javelin MANPADS (most likely on hangar roof see pic in source 2)

Sources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMCS_Protecteur_(AOR_509)
https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/ ... r-1990-91/


#1534 – 700 Kingston (Canada – 1996)
#2678 – 700 Kingston (Canada – 1999)

- should have basic minesweeping capabilities due to ISO container system

o Mine warfare capability is provided by three alternate modular payloads. These are: a deep mechanical minesweeping system (MMS), similar to the UK Royal Navy Explosive Deep Armed Team Sweep; a route survey package (RSP), based on a Bendix AQS-17(V) towed sonar; and a mine inspection package (MIP), using a SUTEC Double Eagle unmanned underwater vehicle. (Forecast International Link below)

-Sensors
--- 1x CA/SQS-511 Towfish VDS, Active-Only Mine Hunting

-Mounts
--- #4657 - Generic Mechanical Cable Cutter Mine Sweep
--- #4654 - Generic Magnetic & Acoustic Mine Sweep
--- #4681 - Generic Mine Disposal Diver

Sources:
https://www.forecastinternational.com/a ... RC_ID=1749
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingston- ... ar_payload
https://www.naval-technology.com/projects/kingston/
http://jgmjgm516.blogspot.com/2014/04/a ... ay-be.html

--- 2017 HMCS Goose Bay – Navalized Nanuk Remotely Controlled Weapon system (replaces 40mm)

Sources:
https://ml-fd.caf-fac.ca/en/2017/06/4964
https://www.facebook.com/CRCN.CMRC/post ... 841211913/

#2797 – HMCS Harry DeWolf -2018
- designation is Artic Offshore Patrol Vessel (AOPV)
- ship is Royal Canadian Navy, not Coast Guard
- Coast Guard is now getting two units most likely without 25mm

Sources:
http://www.navy-marine.forces.gc.ca/en/ ... -home.page
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_DeW ... rol_vessel
https://www.naval-technology.com/projec ... hips-aops/

MISSING UNIT – MSA-110 HMCS Anticosti, MSA-112 HMCS Moresby
- Minesweeper Auxiliary x2, 1989-2000
- Had refueling capability for Kingston class
- Canada, Navy

Sources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anticosti ... inesweeper
http://www.hazegray.org/navhist/canada/ ... /anticost/

#2236 DDH 205 St. Laurent – 1972
- Unit is missing CA/SQS-504 - (1964, VDS) VDS, Active Only Sonar which appears on 1967 version in CWDB and reappears on 1981 version in DB3000. I cannot find any reference to the VDS being removed and then reinstalled, please add to 1972 unit
- Unit has Mk46 LWT Mod 1 - (1969, Major version) Torpedo equipped while 1967 unit has Mk46 LWT Mod 2 - (1972) Torpedo equipped. I am thinking these should be flipped.

Sources:
http://cmano-db.com/cw/ship/7/
http://cmano-db.com/ship/2236/
http://cmano-db.com/ship/1334/
http://www.hazegray.org/navhist/canada/ ... /stlauren/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Laure ... _destroyer

#1464 DDE 257 Restigouche - 1983, DELEX
# 871 DDE 257 Restigouche - 1984, DELEX
- CA/SQS-505(V)1 - (Limbo Director) Hull Sonar, Active/Passive appears on 1984 unit but not on 1983 unit
- CA/ALR-502 [AN/ALR-47] - (AN/SLQ-26) ESM appears on 1983 unit but not on 1984 unit

Sources
http://cmano-db.com/ship/1464/
http://cmano-db.com/ship/871/
http://www.hazegray.org/navhist/canada/ ... /restigou/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restigouc ... _destroyer

# 202 - DDH 280 Iroquois [Tribal Class] – 1984
- 1984 unit is missing AN/WLR-1F - (AN/SLQ-26) ESM that appears on prior 1976 unit
- 1984 unit is missing CA/UPD-501 ESM - (1952-1998) ESM that appears on prior unit

Sources:
http://www.hazegray.org/navhist/canada/postwar/tribal/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iroquois-class_destroyer

#1953 DDH 280 Iroquois [Tribal Class] - 1991, Gulf War Mod, HMCS Athabaskan
- Missing 20mm/85 Mk15 Phalanx Blk 1 Burst [300 rnds] – Gun (weapon #1630)
- Missing Blowpipe - (1976, MANPADS) Guided Weapon (weapon #841)

Sources
http://www.cntha.ca/articles/trump.html
http://www.hazegray.org/navhist/canada/ ... /iroquois/

#723 DDH 280 Iroquois TRUMP [Tribal Class] – 1992
- Missing SLQ-503 Jammer (Sensor #3943 CA/SLQ-503 RAMSES [ECM] (Scimitar))
- Torpedos were not removed as part of TRUMP please add back 6 × 12.75 in (324 mm) tubes firing Mark 46 Mod 5 torpedoes

Sources:
http://www.cntha.ca/articles/trump.html
http://www.hazegray.org/navhist/canada/ ... /iroquois/

#1898 FFH 330 Halifax [City Class] - 2012, HCM/FELEX Refit
- Image used is of ship pre-FELEX
Image of FELEX Halifax:
http://shipsforcanada.ca/images/story-i ... arbour.jpg

HYPOTHETICAL UNIT- FFH 330 Halifax [City Class] 2022-
- Canadian Navy has announced/is planning on several upgrades for 2022 to keep FFH’s relevant while CSC is introduced
-Sensors:
--- RAMSES Update, third launcher to provide 360 coverage
-Weapons:
--- RIM-162G ESSM Blk II - (2021, Mk48) Guided Weapon
--- Mk48 Mod 7 ADCAP CBASS - (2008, Shallow Water) Torpedo
--- 12.7mm/50 Mini-Typhoon Burst [10 rnds] - Gun

Sources:
- RAMSES
--- https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national ... y-frigates
- RIM-162G ESSM Blk II
--- http://dgpaapp.forces.gc.ca/en/defence- ... sp?id=1715
- Mk48 Mod 7
--- Mk48 Mod 7 ADCAP CBASS
--- http://dgpaapp.forces.gc.ca/en/defence- ... sp?id=1771
- 12.7mm/50
--- https://www.janes.com/article/60627/for ... nsec2016d1
--- http://dgpaapp.forces.gc.ca/en/defence- ... sp?id=1745
--- RCWS

HYPOTHETICAL UNIT- DDG 336 HMCS Montreal [City Second Flight] 1993-xxxx
- DDG 336 HMCS Montreal
- DDG 337 HMCS Fredericton
- DDG 338 HMCS Winnipeg
- DDG 339 HMCS Charlottetown
- DDG 340 HMCS St. John’s
- DDG 341 HMCS Ottawa
- Second Flight. The original plan was for the second group of six ships to have a 10-meter hull extension. In initial drafts, this was to have provided additional Sea Sparrow missile launch tubes, but these were deleted to save money.
- 10 metre extension would allow addition of Mk48 Mod 2 below deck with 16 RIM-7 or 32 RIM-162. Sources are unclear if additional space would be used for above deck tubes or below deck tubes
- increase ship length to 145.5m, increase weight to 5,300t light and 5,750t full
- add x2 additional #926 RIM-162C ESSM (2004, Mk48)
- Subsequent units should receive the same updates/upgrades as Halifax Class has

Sources:
--- https://www.forecastinternational.com/a ... RC_ID=1743
--- https://www.primidi.com/rim-162_essm/launchers/mk_48

HYPOTHETICAL UNIT- DDG 342 HMCS Hamilton [City Third Flight] 1997-xxxx

- Third Flight. The original Canadian Patrol Frigate included a possible third flight of six ships. This proposal was revived with the suggestion that six AAW derivatives of the Halifax class be built after the 12 ASW variants were completed. The AAW version (see Province class below) would feature a Mk 41 VLS for Standard SM-2 Block 4 missiles, with the new Canadian/Dutch/German APAR (active phased array radar) and a command system derived from a fusion of SEWACO and SHINPADS technology. The hull would remain basically unchanged. As ships equipped with area-defense surface-to-air missiles, the AAW Halifax class would be considered destroyers rather than frigates.
o Province Class. A 144.7 meter, 5,575 tonne stretched version of the Halifax class, featuring a Mk 41 Vertical Launch System with a capacity for 64 Standard SM-2 missiles or a quad-packed Evolved Sea Sparrow, a 76 mm Otobreda gun and two Mk 15 Phalanx mounts. This design, equipped with the Signaal APAR fire control radar and a 57 mm in place of the 76 mm, could be the basis for the new Canadian AAW destroyer once that procurement is confirmed.
- Subsequent units should receive the same updates/upgrades as Halifax Class has

Source:
--- https://www.forecastinternational.com/a ... RC_ID=1743

NEW UNIT- iAOR MV Asterix (ADDED - THANK YOU!)
- MV Asterix (formerly MS Asterix, MS Amorito, MS Neermoor and MS Cynthia) is a commercial container ship, purchased by Federal Fleet Services as part of Project Resolve, that was converted into a supply ship for the Royal Canadian Navy (RCN). It is intended to act as an interim replacement between the out of service Protecteur-class replenishment oiler and the future Protecteur-class auxiliary vessel. Originally launched in Germany in 2010 as Cynthia, the ship was converted and delivered to the RCN in December 2017 when it will be leased to the navy with a merchant navy crew, complemented by RCN personnel. Asterix will be in Canadian service well into the 2020s.
- Ships are fitted for 2x CIWS Phalanx (please add)

Sources :
--- http://federalfleet.ca/wp-content/uploa ... mphlet.pdf
--- http://www.navy-marine.forces.gc.ca/ass ... lowres.pdf
--- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Asterix
--- http://federalfleet.ca/2016/06/02/resolve-class-aor/

#3106 - C-130H Hercules [CC-130H] - 1975, 14x
#3107 - C-130H-30 Hercules [CC-130H-30] - 1999, 2x
- C-130H’s are tasked with SAR with the 413, 424 and 435 squadrons

- Missing loadouts:
--- SAR

--- Tanker (CC-130HT x5 new 1992) or create new unit (below)
Sources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_ ... and_Rescue

- Missing version
--- CC-130HT Tanker
- Tanker - http://www.rcaf-arc.forces.gc.ca/en/art ... y/jhf5ovvy

MISSING UNIT – CC-115 Buffalo
- Canada, Air Force, SAR (primary) and transport, 1967-2018/22

- Loadout
--- SAR
--- Cargo Transport

Sources
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havill ... -5_Buffalo
http://www.rcaf-arc.forces.gc.ca/en/air ... c-115.page
www.rcaf-arc.forces.gc.ca/en/aircraft-c ... aphic.page

Missing Unit – CC-138 Twin Otter
- Canada, Air Force, Transport (primary) and SAR, 1970’s-xxxx

- Loadout
--- SAR
--- Cargo Transport

Sources
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havill ... Twin_Otter
http://www.rcaf-arc.forces.gc.ca/en/air ... c-138.page

MISSING UNIT – C-295 SAR
- new platform to replace CC-115 Buffalo SAR and CC-130 in SAR role.
- Delivery 2018-2022
- Canada, Air Force
- Loadout
--- SAR
--- Cargo Transport
--- Maritime Patrol

Sources:
http://www.forces.gc.ca/en/business-equ ... g-snr.page
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EADS_CASA_C-295

#4610 - CH-146 Griffon [Bell 412EP] - 1995, 100x
- Canada Air Force
- Missing loadouts:
--- SAR
--- Escort

Sources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_CH-146_Griffon
http://www.rcaf-arc.forces.gc.ca/en/air ... h-146.page
http://www.canadiandefencereview.com/Fe ... nt?blog/93
http://www.forfreedom.ca/?p=1364

MISSING UNIT – CT-155 Hawk
- Canada, Air Force, trainer x 16, 2000-
Loadout
--- Trainer
--- (Air to Air like UK version 1985, DND investigated AAW version)

Sources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAE_Systems_Hawk
http://www.rcaf-arc.forces.gc.ca/en/air ... t-155.page

MISSING UNIT – CC-144 Challenger
- Canada, Air Force, x4, 1982-xxxx
Loadout
--- VIP
--- Medevac

Sources
www.rcaf-arc.forces.gc.ca/en/aircraft-c ... c-144.page
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardie ... 600_series

MISSING UNIT – Bell 206 Helicopter
- Canadian Coast Guard, x6

- Loadout
--- Ferry
--- SAR
--- Maritime Surveillance

Sources
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_206
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_e ... oast_Guard

MISSING UNIT – Bell 212 Helicopter
- Canadian Coast Guard, x5
- Loadout
--- Ferry
--- SAR
--- Maritime Surveillance

Sources
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_212
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_e ... oast_Guard

MISSING UNIT – Bell 407 Helicopter
- Canadian Coast Guard, x2
- Loadout
--- Ferry
--- SAR
--- Maritime Surveillance

Sources
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_407
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfound ... -1.4185947

MISSING UNIT – Bell 412 EPI Helicopter
- Canadian Coast Guard, x7 2017-xxxx
- Loadout
--- Ferry
--- SAR
--- Maritime Surveillance

Sources
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_412
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfound ... -1.4185947

[FrangibleCover]

rca-arcdotorg/heritage/history/ say Javelin rather than Blowpipe on the Gulf War ships and as the gunners who went they should be in a position to know. However the game doesn't currently have Javelin or Javelin S-15 so that might be difficult.

Blowpipe #1847 should lose the rear-aspect tag, the whole point of an MCLOS MANPADS is that you don't need to lock onto a heat source. It should also get a speed increase from Mach 1 to Mach 1.5, the normally quoted figure, unless the devs have any hard evidence that this is wrong.

Javelin teams should be added to the UK (1985), Botswana (1992), Canada (1991), Malaysia (1991), Oman (1989), Peru (1995) and South Korea (1987), numbers all from SIPRI arms trade registers. Stats as Blowpipe except significant PoH improvement due to SACLOS guidance and minor (2.2kg to 2.27kg and different composition) warhead upgrade. Javelin is also what should be fitted to the field expedient Gulf War Mod versions of Canadian ships.

Javelin S-15 teams should be added to the UK (1990), Canada (1992), Kuwait (1995) and Malaysia (1995), numbers all from SIPRI again. Non-UK teams should be referred to as Starburst teams, the weapon's export name. Stats as Javelin except marginal PoH improvement due to laser beam riding guidance and a new datalink which doesn't have the UHF Radio tag so it can't be jammed.

[LORDPrometheus]

Ok so I've found a few things that need to be changed with the AN/SPY-xx radar

Firstly there should be two variants not one

The first is a single face rotating radar meant to replace then AN/SPS-48/49 and will be used on LHA-8 and beyond and the upcoming LX(R) ships. This version is to be designated AN/SPY-6(V)2

The other variant Is a fixed array radar with 3 faces meant to replace the AN/SPY-4 and will be on CV-79 and beyond as well as the FFG(X) winner. This one is to be designated AN/SPY(V) 3

Furthermore it is not just a search radar but appears to have FCR capabilities too. This is evidenced by the fact that it is essentially a cut down AN/SPY-6 consisting of 9 modules per face instead of the 37 of the AMDR. In addition since it is the selected radar for the FFG(X) and is in fact the only air search radar included on the ships official Navy requirements. As such we know it must be an FCR otherwise there would be no way for the FFG(X) to fire it's missiles.

Lastly it's power levels need to be toned down a lot. As stated above the SPY-xx is a smaller version of the SPY-6 and Raytheon States it has equivalent performance to the AN/SPY-1D(V) while the SPY-6 has +15db power hence its larger range.


Sources:

https://www.raytheon.com/capabilities/products/EASR

https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.p ... ogram.html

https://missiledefenseadvocacy.org/air- ... adar-easr/

https://www.naval-technology.com/news/u ... -virginia/

[Dragon029]

We've received some F-35 Block 4 scheduling from Tailhook 2019:

https://i.imgur.com/V0ExCNh.png

Automatic Ground Collision Avoidance System being added in late 2019 (the F-35A had it added earlier this year)

Multi-ship IRST (passive triangulation of targets via IRSTs) in 2021.

Link 16 cryptography update around late 2021 / early 2022.

GBU-38/54 and JSOW C-1 (AGM-154C Block III which adds an IIR seeker for hitting moving ships compared to the basic AGM-154C that's integrated today) in 2022.

Tech Refresh 3 and Sidekick (6x internal AMRAAM adapter) in 2023.

Multi-ship IRST increment 2 (adding some other level of functionality) + full motion video streaming from the EOTS + AIM-9X Block II/II+ + GBU-53 SDB II in 2024.

Band 2/5 ESM receiver upgrade and Link 16 CMN-4 upgrade in 2025.

AARGM-ER in 2028 (being so far away I'd consider this to be quite subject to change; AARGM-ER is getting integrated onto Super Hornets / Growlers in the early 2020s).

Note that those dates are just for the F-35C variant; the others should be very similar, if not identical, but (for example) I could see the USMC and/or USAF prioritising the SDB II ahead of the USN. Also there will be some differences in weapons integrated; the A and B variants are unlikely to get the JSOW C-1 (the JSOW is only integrated onto the C variant today), and the USAF to my knowledge isn't getting the AARGM-ER, but rather the SiAW, which is essentially the same weapon but probably with some minor changes. I expect all variants will get the GBU-38/54, the F-35A and F-35C will get Sidekick, but not the F-35B, AIM-9X Block II/II+ will be for all 3 variants and SDB II will be for all variants.

[jun5896]

Please correct from #4512 - FB-22A Strike Raptor(2020) in the next update.

[LORDPrometheus]

ORIGINAL: jun5896





Please correct from #4512 - FB-22A Strike Raptor(2020) in the next update.

I am genuinely surprised you noticed that so good eye! Just a tip in the future explain exactly what the issue is so people don't need to interpret the image my first thought was you were confused about bomb counts I didn't realize the version of the GBU-31 didn't match

[stilesw]

Please correct from #4512 - FB-22A Strike Raptor(2020) in the next update.

Junyoung,

Logged. Thanks for catching.

-Wayne Stiles

[CV60]

DB3000 Facility_329 (SSM Bn C-802, China) and Facility_904 (SSM Bn C-802, Iran) are both equipped with the C-802 missile. This is incorrect.
The C-802 is an export-only missile. The Chinese unit should be equipped with the C-802A aka YJ-83 missile. The C-802A missile is Weapon_541 or Weapon_3476 in the database (There are two entries: One designated YJ-83 and one C-802A).

The C-802A/YJ-83 is a more capable missile, using digital electronics to significantly increase its range over the C-802. The C-802A/YJ-83 has a range of 180km/97.2nm, vice the 120km/64.8 nm of the export only C-802. According to Jane's, the C-802A/YJ-83 is capable of way-point planning, and on-off radar operation. It is also heavier, weighing 800kg, vice the 715kg of the C-802.

In summary, change Facility_329 (SSM Bn C-802, China) to be equipped with C-802A missile (Weapon_541 or Weapon_3476). Additionally, alter the weights of Weapon_541 or Weapon_3476 to 800 kg. Alter the range of the weapons to 97nm, vice 100nm in the database.

Sources: Jane's Weapon Systems Vol. 3: Naval, "CSS-N-4 'Sardine' (YJ-8/YJ-8A/C-801); CSS-N-8 'Saccade' (YJ-82/YJ-83/C-802/C-802A/Noor/Ghader), 25 June 2013; "C-802 (CSS-N-8 Saccade)." "C-802 (CSS-N-8 Saccade)

[CV60]

Possible error on the C-802AK/YJ-83K (DB3000 Weapon_2137). This is the air-launched version of the C-802A. According to

Gromley, et al, "A low-visiblity Force Multiplier" Assessing China's Cruis Missile Ambitions" National Defense University at page 18, https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a602350.pdf the air launched version of the C-802 has a range of 250 km/135nm, vice the 100 nm listed in the database. While this paper is not oriented towards weapon characteristics per se, the fact it is published by DoD gives the 135nm figure some credibility.