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Re: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A))

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Lowpe wrote: Mon Jul 03, 2023 10:10 pm Has any AFB ever gotten a good result with the Hurricane IId? I have a lone IJA tank regiment within 2 hexes of a functioning runway will try them on tanks and vehicles shortly. I think they were on ground attack 1k, perhaps they need to be set to 100'?

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Set them at 100 feet, but don't expect miracles. Hurriacne IId only has 2 x 40 cannons. As with naval attack at 100 feet, most of damage inflicted on enemy is via bombs. Hurri IId has no bombs. You will get better attack results with any fighter who carries bombs no matter how small.
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Better against non-warships to be honest

You'd expect it to do well against a tank rgt on its own in the open though
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Encircled wrote: Tue Jul 04, 2023 8:28 am Better against non-warships to be honest

You'd expect it to do well against a tank rgt on its own in the open though
With a 2 range....good luck with that! :) They can't even fly to another base in less than a week with a transfer range of 8. :oops:
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Yaab wrote: Tue Jul 04, 2023 4:34 am
Lowpe wrote: Mon Jul 03, 2023 10:10 pm Has any AFB ever gotten a good result with the Hurricane IId? I have a lone IJA tank regiment within 2 hexes of a functioning runway will try them on tanks and vehicles shortly. I think they were on ground attack 1k, perhaps they need to be set to 100'?

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Set them at 100 feet, but don't expect miracles. Hurriacne IId only has 2 x 40 cannons. As with naval attack at 100 feet, most of damage inflicted on enemy is via bombs. Hurri IId has no bombs. You will get better attack results with any fighter who carries bombs no matter how small.
I don't think I ever used a strafing only plane before...on ground attack. Will do!
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It doesn't really look like much but there is a ton of units and movement going on here...
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I strafed Jap tanks on Luzon in '41 with those Warhawks that didn't load bombs. Warhawks' MGs inflicted some fatigue/disruption on Jap tanks. With 40mm cannons on Hurris you should probably disable some enemy tanks.
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40mm cannons on a fighter would be a major mod! In stock they go to 20mm on the Hurricanes. And since the aircraft mounted cannons are designed to shoot down other aircraft, the anti-armour value will be minimal. But they can shoot up the supporting trucks in a tank unit and that in turn will hinder the tanks recovery (no ammo, no fuel, the tank is disabled). I don't think the game tracks individual vehicles like that, but that is the abstraction they make when strafing disables tanks.
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Lowpe wrote: Tue Jul 04, 2023 1:41 am I checked, and the Hurricane IId were at 1000 feet, and to reliably strafe I am pretty sure they need to be set to 100'.
True, they will strafe and bomb.
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BBfanboy wrote: Tue Jul 04, 2023 2:24 pm 40mm cannons on a fighter would be a major mod! In stock they go to 20mm on the Hurricanes. And since the aircraft mounted cannons are designed to shoot down other aircraft, the anti-armour value will be minimal. But they can shoot up the supporting trucks in a tank unit and that in turn will hinder the tanks recovery (no ammo, no fuel, the tank is disabled). I don't think the game tracks individual vehicles like that, but that is the abstraction they make when strafing disables tanks.
The 40mm cannons will wreck most IJA tanks. I have two squadron hunting tanks with the 75mm cannon -- 120 anti armor rating...
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Lowpe wrote: Tue Jul 04, 2023 6:13 pm
BBfanboy wrote: Tue Jul 04, 2023 2:24 pm 40mm cannons on a fighter would be a major mod! In stock they go to 20mm on the Hurricanes. And since the aircraft mounted cannons are designed to shoot down other aircraft, the anti-armour value will be minimal. But they can shoot up the supporting trucks in a tank unit and that in turn will hinder the tanks recovery (no ammo, no fuel, the tank is disabled). I don't think the game tracks individual vehicles like that, but that is the abstraction they make when strafing disables tanks.
The 40mm cannons will wreck most IJA tanks. I have two squadron hunting tanks with the 75mm cannon -- 120 anti armor rating...

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That version was built specifically as a tank killer.

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Well I never imagined a little fighter like that could carry a 40mm cannon - so I learned something today! Thanks all for setting me straight!
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Looks like the BAE server ist kaput. Anyway, that 40mm Hurri was developed to be a tank killer in North Africa. If any of you had SPI's Campaign for North Africa when you were in high school you'd know this. ;) The Jerries also had a 37mm Stuka. They both were cool looking models, but I'm not sure how effective they really were in their intended role.

EDIT: Has anyone used P-39s in the anti-tank role? It has a 37mm. I'll admit I normally don't use fighters or FBs for anything but air-related missions.

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Only when the target has no supply or no anti-aircraft guns

You just never seem to have enough fighters as the allies
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CaptBeefheart wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2023 5:50 am Looks like the BAE server ist kaput. Anyway, that 40mm Hurri was developed to be a tank killer in North Africa. If any of you had SPI's Campaign for North Africa when you were in high school you'd know this. ;) The Jerries also had a 37mm Stuka. They both were cool looking models, but I'm not sure how effective they really were in their intended role.

EDIT: Has anyone used P-39s in the anti-tank role? It has a 37mm. I'll admit I normally don't use fighters or FBs for anything but air-related missions.

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The 37mm cannon armed Stuka G would get excellent results, until it met any sort of enemy fighter. An absolute pig to fly, apparently, because of the weight & size of those things (it carried 2 modified AA guns). The Tungsten-cored ammo would punch through whatever they hit (because they were shooting the top of enemy vehicle), with a single hit usually being enough for a mission-kill.
Only had 6 (?) rounds in the magazine. It was meant to attack Soviet tank columns or individual vehicles in the open field. These guys would eat a tank regiment for lunch but if Soviet fighters show up, the bombers are toast. Kind of like a flight of Vals getting jumped by P-38-s. :-). The Stuka was at least properly armored though.
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CaptBeefheart wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2023 5:50 am Looks like the BAE server ist kaput. Anyway, that 40mm Hurri was developed to be a tank killer in North Africa. If any of you had SPI's Campaign for North Africa when you were in high school you'd know this. ;) The Jerries also had a 37mm Stuka. They both were cool looking models, but I'm not sure how effective they really were in their intended role.

EDIT: Has anyone used P-39s in the anti-tank role? It has a 37mm. I'll admit I normally don't use fighters or FBs for anything but air-related missions.

Cheers,
CB
Yes....but it is very hard finding Japanese tanks anywhere outside of China. I found one unit that should get pummeled this turn in Indochina.

I have been using fighters to bomb at 1k for most of the game...
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JanSako wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2023 8:39 am
CaptBeefheart wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2023 5:50 am Looks like the BAE server ist kaput. Anyway, that 40mm Hurri was developed to be a tank killer in North Africa. If any of you had SPI's Campaign for North Africa when you were in high school you'd know this. ;) The Jerries also had a 37mm Stuka. They both were cool looking models, but I'm not sure how effective they really were in their intended role.

EDIT: Has anyone used P-39s in the anti-tank role? It has a 37mm. I'll admit I normally don't use fighters or FBs for anything but air-related missions.

Cheers,
CB
The 37mm cannon armed Stuka G would get excellent results, until it met any sort of enemy fighter. An absolute pig to fly, apparently, because of the weight & size of those things (it carried 2 modified AA guns). The Tungsten-cored ammo would punch through whatever they hit (because they were shooting the top of enemy vehicle), with a single hit usually being enough for a mission-kill.
Only had 6 (?) rounds in the magazine. It was meant to attack Soviet tank columns or individual vehicles in the open field. These guys would eat a tank regiment for lunch but if Soviet fighters show up, the bombers are toast. Kind of like a flight of Vals getting jumped by P-38-s. :-). The Stuka was at least properly armored though.
I read Hans? Rudel's book Stuka Pilot. He was (or claimed to be) the guy who developed anti-armour tactics and had the idea for the 37mm gun pods. He claimed he killed over a hundred Soviet tanks, and blew up Russian BB Marat with an armour-piercing bomb. He comes across as a bit of a blowhard who may have been taking credit for other pilots' kills. But apparently his efforts were enough that a formation of Stuka tank busting aircraft was called a "Rudel". Of course Hitler gave him bejeweled crosses and Goebbels made propaganda movies about him.
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Sept 15, 1943

Had one AK carrying armor torpedoed...but she lives lost one tank and 3 disabled...

our subs sank two cargo ships over by Singers...as Japan continues to buildup fortress Singapore. One had troops on it and took I think 7 torpedo hits before she went down.
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No direct damage...of course this IJA Division has no vehicles left...4th Guards Division in Burma...isolated, being bombed back into the dark age.
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Our low level strafing attacks on an IJA tank regiment inflict 0 damage...our DL was poor, and the 75mm gun-planes didn't fly.
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Well, if your opponent is trying to make Singapore a fortress, how about destroying the industry there so there would be fewer supplies? Not to mention bombing and bombarding every possible base and unit outside of Singapore?
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