Pricing Suggestion

[Pii]

ORIGINAL: Wiz33

Why is this thread still open?

If you think the price is set too high. You are wrong. Matrix have been in this business for a long time and I think they have the sales data to support their pricing structure or they would be out of business a long time ago.

If it's more than you can afford now. Save some money and get it later. Maybe you'll get lucky and there would be a sale or coupon.

If you can afford it and are on the fence. Wait a bit and watch some of the videos and read some of the AAR and reviews. Then make your decision.

Discussion closed.

LOL Not!
BTW who put you in charge?

[Pii]

ORIGINAL: Aurelian

ORIGINAL: Pii

So who wastes money on a bad game? Would you buy say, the Amiga version of SSI's Gettysburg? Pay $50 or $10, won't change the fact that the 2nd day scenario is unplayable.

WTF LOL ? Well to start with I'm sure EVERYONE of us has wasted money on a bad game and since I retired my Amiga years ago no I wouldn't and that the stupidest example I've ever heard. But I have bought many games I would not have on Steam if they hadn't had a sale and at a certain point I've even bought games other had claimed were bad.

What about Braveheart? That was a freakin bad game I paid full price for. Buying it for say 1/3 the price isn't going to change that.

Face palm! LOL It may not change it for you since you already bought it but it does for those that didn't.

Why is it a bad example. According to you, lower the price and it will sell. Guess not eh.

A bad game is a bad game. Decreasing the price isn't going to make it any better. Even at $1.99 it's a waste of time and money.

My copy of Braveheart, and Tiller's Jutland, did a great service at the rifle range.

1943 Mosin-Nagant $100.

7.62x54r cartridge .50cents

Making sure those games never bothered anyone again, priceless.

Apparently the whole thing is over your head. Here's a hint:Its about pricing, no one said lowering the price makes bad games good. It does however sell them. Thanks for playing.

[Pii]

ORIGINAL: dutchman55555

ORIGINAL: Pii

I know some developers who have done ok out of it and others who have really suffered and only sold games when at 80%+ discounts.

So? Maybe their game sucked and wasn't worth the full price. One thing Steam has and I use EVERYTIME I'm thinking of buying is a link to a forum where members can let you know if a game is good or bad. That isn't good for developers that make bad games.

They also have Metacritic scores and links, which I find very handy as a "first guide".

Yep right after the forum I check the Metacritic links. I always find the different scores between the professional reviewers and the people that bought it interesting. For example the latest Company of Heroes game the reviewer gave an 80 and the people that bought it gave it a 1.7. LOL It makes you wonder about those so called professional reviews.

[Pii]

ORIGINAL: Terminus

It became annoying after 17 pages of a small group of people repeating the same arguments over and over and over and over and over again. Price isn't going to change, and the publisher doesn't have to explain themselves to anybody on this forum. The end.

Then stop reading it.

[Mac Linehan]

Gents -

Bought the Boxed version and am downloading now. Normally buy the Download version only; but due to the file size thought it wise to have the game on disc.

As for other games mentioned in this thread:

WitE (and expansions) on the computer, waiting for time to play. I know it will be good. War in the West is a must buy when released.

And that is the crux of the matter; I play weekends only, so many other good games have to wait till I get to them.

WitP AE - absolutely outstanding. Consumes 90 percent of my playing time.
AE is the benchmark for the level of detail that I prefer and enjoy.

Note: I respectfully submit that Real Men play AE.. OK. Didn't really mean that, just had to say it. I feel so much better now... <grin>

Harpoon ANW - loved it; Harpoon UE at some future point.

AGEOD - PON, AJE, BoA2, RUS, ACW I - all good, took a while to get used to the area concept, but serious details under the hood. Love it - ACW 2 and Spanish Civil War are on the list.

POA2 and Tigers Unleashed are... First Class. I was 10 Years USN, then ready for Something Completely Different and did another 10.5 in the USMC. Loved both services and retired. Thank You for paying your taxes on time.

Distant Worlds and expansions: Awesome stuff. Bringing Peace and Good Will to the Galaxy My Way.

Purchasing Command is a personal choice; I respect all of you, pro or con.

I believe in Slitherine/Matrix/AGEOD's integrity and support their business practices 100 percent. The support for their games is outstanding.

So. There it is. I am fortunate to be a part of the folks on this and other forums.

Mac

P.S. - Hi, T!

[JRyan]

Well for those that are still on the fence I need to explain something. When I played the harpoon series, I never designed scenarios mush as I was just not that good at it. It was far to cumbersome and time consuming to do all the research and etc to even get the sides laid out. Well I watched the videos here:

Command Videos

All I can say is WOW! As one who never utilized that function of the sim, I just might give this a go. The scenario editor is by far the best one yet and much easier to follow at least for me. I quickly I might add created my old one of Venezuela, it took me all of about 5 seconds to all ALL of the airbases in the country. That was it...smooth as silk. So then I put a 1990 Ohio Boomer out a few hundred miles and proceeded to nuke them. I just wanted to see how it worked. I need a "That was Easy" button. And you want to know something neat? An underground AvGas tank survived a 100kT explosion. It did not survive the 2nd shot. The point being, this is a part of the sim that those that are griping about price need to take a closer look at.

As I have said, the Database is overwhelming to say the least and I thought I knew my equipment, I know jack &*%.

So in summation, maybe Matrix could offer those who don't want to pay the full price and edition without the scenario editor. Maybe the catch being the buying it later will cost more than if one bought the full sim. Personally I can not see how one would want this but that is exactly what Harpoon did early on. Anyone remember the Battlesets and expansion packs? I didnt care when I bought Harpoon Multimedia Edition at BestBuy and then saw Admirals Edition in the software bin. I was in college and had NO money and I bought it on the CC, boy was the boss pissed. I bet I put at least 1000 hours in that one alone using PFEdit and some other community tools.

I am more in awe now that I did further and deeper looking...


I will be playing this one for years and I have a feeling I am not alone.[&o]

[Rob322]

Looking forward to seeing how it handles MIRVs

[aluminumx]

Sadist part is that it is not the price it self, it's the effect of the price on people who have never played such a game. They will see the price and say, "forget about it." A demo (clearly not in the cards) or as the other guy suggested a cheep version with no editor may help draw in new players. Especially in a world of games where people have been raised on games like Battlefield and GTA. Viewing games like CMNAO as boring.

[JDM]

Hi Pii

I realisee that you are a brand new member of the forum, so I thought a quick note might be helpful here. Wik 33 and Aurelians posts are quite in order and if any moderating is needed we can cope. Just for the record, what is not permitted are personal insults or put downs.

BTW, as you are so new to the forum, which of our games do you actually play/own. I am sure posters would be interested.

[BadKarma1001]

ORIGINAL: JDM

Hi Pii

I realisee that you are a brand new member of the forum, so I thought a quick note might be helpful here. Wik 33 and Aurelians posts are quite in order and if any moderating is needed we can cope. Just for the record, what is not permitted are personal insults or put downs.

BTW, as you are so new to the forum, which of our games do you actually play/own. I am sure posters would be interested.

Imho this is totally uncalled for!

[Vyshka]

ORIGINAL: BadKarma1001

ORIGINAL: JDM

Hi Pii

I realisee that you are a brand new member of the forum, so I thought a quick note might be helpful here. Wik 33 and Aurelians posts are quite in order and if any moderating is needed we can cope. Just for the record, what is not permitted are personal insults or put downs.

BTW, as you are so new to the forum, which of our games do you actually play/own. I am sure posters would be interested.

Imho this is totally uncalled for!

Something new in the forum rules it seems.

How many games do you own? :p

Here is my permission slip (doesn't look like everything):

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Armada 2526 8 FEB 2011 [ Registered ]
Battles in Italy 11 OCT 2005 [ Registered ]
Battles In Normandy 29 MAR 2005 No Downloads Available
Campaigns On The Danube 11 OCT 2005 [ Members ] [ Registered ]
Carriers at War 27 MAY 2013 [ Registered ]
Close Combat - Cross of Iron 8 FEB 2011 [ Registered ]
Command Ops: Battles for Greece 7 JUL 2013 No Downloads Available
Command Ops: Battles from the Bulge 2 JAN 2011 [ Registered ]
Command Ops: Highway to the Reich 17 APR 2012 [ Registered ]
Conflict of Heroes: Awakening the Bear! 8 MAY 2012 [ Registered ]
Conquest of the Aegean 15 JUL 2006 No Downloads Available
Crown of Glory: Emperors Edition 23 JAN 2011 [ Members ] [ Registered ]
Crown of Glory: Europe in the Age of Napoleon 11 OCT 2005 [ Members ] [ Registered ]
Distant Worlds 16 JUN 2010 No Downloads Available
Distant Worlds - Legends 12 DEC 2011 [ Registered ]
Distant Worlds - Return of the Shakturi 2 JAN 2011 [ Registered ]
Distant Worlds- Shadows 23 MAY 2013 [ Registered ]
Flashpoint Germany 29 MAR 2005 [ Registered ]
Gary Grigsby's Eagle Day to Bombing the Reich 8 FEB 2011 No Downloads Available
Gary Grigsby's War Between The States 5 MAY 2009 [ Registered ]
Gary Grigsby's War in the East: Don to the Danube 14 APR 2012 No Downloads Available
Gary Grigsby's War in the East: Lost Battles 17 MAY 2013 No Downloads Available
Gary Grigsby's War in the East: The German-Soviet War 1941-1945 2 JAN 2011 [ Registered ]
Gary Grigsby's World At War 29 MAR 2005 [ Members ] [ Registered ]
Harpoon 3 - Advanced Naval Warfare 15 JUL 2006 [ Registered ]
Highway to the Reich 2 JAN 2011 [ Registered ]
John Tiller's Campaign Series 8 FEB 2011 [ Registered ]
Larry Bond's Harpoon - Ultimate Edition 14 OCT 2011 [ Registered ]
Norm Koger's The Operational Art of War III 15 JUL 2006 No Downloads Available
Panzer Command: Ostfront 20 MAY 2013 [ Registered ]
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War Plan Orange: Dreadnoughts in the Pacific 1922 - 1930 15 JUL 2006 No Downloads Available


Hello, my name is Jerry and I have a wargaming problem.

[Maesphil74]

ORIGINAL: JDM

Hi Pii

I realisee that you are a brand new member of the forum, so I thought a quick note might be helpful here. Wik 33 and Aurelians posts are quite in order and if any moderating is needed we can cope. Just for the record, what is not permitted are personal insults or put downs.

BTW, as you are so new to the forum, which of our games do you actually play/own. I am sure posters would be interested.

I'm not sure I really like the tone of some of the 'official' posts in this thread (and some other threads in this forum).
Too condescending, sarcastic and sometimes even plain rude.
I believe it's necessary for 'officals' on a forum to maintain their calm and composure towards (potential) customers. Even if they are 'annoying' according to you.
Also, dismissing other games as 'too simple' or 'more unstable than this release', etc, also isn't a prime example of solid business communication.

Please take note of Erik: he's calm, polite and then goes posting the manual as was requested by some users.

Again; I agree that you can set the price as high as you want; I'ts your business and you run it as you see fit.
And I also agree that this has been discussed before. (and I'm allready holding my breath what will happen when WIF is being released considering the physical shipping of 3 books...)
But please remember to treat (potential) customers with respect and calmness. And certainly not by implying they shoud buy more games or if not, to shut up.

In duth we say 'Klant is koning'. Customer is king. Which doesn't mean he's always right, but it does imply some respect is due. Even when he's not agreeing with your decisions.

[smudge56]

Hey some of us in this post have wives and girlfriend issuess that we have to get around. Then councilling. [:D]

[gradenko2k]

ORIGINAL: JDM
BTW, as you are so new to the forum, which of our games do you actually play/own. I am sure posters would be interested.

So it's down to that now? "No skin in the game"?

Advanced Tactics: Gold 2 AUG 2012
Commander - The Great War 13 NOV 2012
Decisive Campaigns: The Blitzkrieg from Warsaw to Paris 6 JAN 2013
Forge of Freedom: The American Civil War 1861-1865 22 NOV 2011
Gary Grigsby's Eagle Day to Bombing the Reich 16 MAR 2011
Gary Grigsby's War in the East: Lost Battles 21 MAY 2013
Gary Grigsby's War in the East: The German-Soviet War 1941-1945 29 DEC 2010
Norm Koger's The Operational Art of War III 14 DEC 2010
Uncommon Valor 14 SEP 2011
War In The Pacific 20 SEP 2011
War in the Pacific - Admiral's Edition 1 MAR 2011
War Plan Orange: Dreadnoughts in the Pacific 1922 - 1930

And I'm total agreement that Command could very well be the second coming, but a lot of people would never know it with its current pricetag.

P.S. For a forum that relies a lot of AARs to generate buzz, it's surprising that it doesn't support linked images or uploading PNG images.

[Hertston]

ORIGINAL: K 19

The more mainstream games like these become, the more dumbed-down and unrealistic they become due to large numbers of casual players (the majority) pressuring and influencing the developers through complaints to simplify / make the game easier- aka 'dumbing down'. I've seen it happen too many times before. No thank you.

Can you name some examples? I'm struggling to think of any. There really aren't many 'mainstream games like these', but in my experience far from demanding 'dumbing down' customer and potential customer feedback is exactly the opposite. Take the Paradox titles, for example - the Clausewitz engine stuff, not stuff from other developers they just publish (like Naval War: Arctic Circle). Is Ho3 a dumbed down HoI2? Vicky2 of Vicky? CK2 of CK? Nope. 'Dumbing down' sequels to moderately successful games is certainly not uncommon in the industry, but whether that actually attracts new buyers or not it doesn't happen because potential buyers want it to happen.

Look at it this way. If you were tasked with changing Command to a game more suited to a mainstream launch, but with a requirement the price be kept as near the current one as possible (I'll accept for sake of argument that that price is untenable in such a market) what would you do? What I would certainly NOT do is dumb anything down! I'd just be adding the sort of stuff customers in those markets expect from 'sims' and any sort of strategy/wargame these days.. lots of nice rotational/zoomable views of all the kit in the database, videos and sound fx of planes taking off, missiles launches, explosions, etc. That alone produces a much more mass market game.. even if the first thing the 'hardcore' players would do is turn it all off.

[Aurelian]

ORIGINAL: Pii

ORIGINAL: Aurelian

ORIGINAL: Pii






WTF LOL ? Well to start with I'm sure EVERYONE of us has wasted money on a bad game and since I retired my Amiga years ago no I wouldn't and that the stupidest example I've ever heard. But I have bought many games I would not have on Steam if they hadn't had a sale and at a certain point I've even bought games other had claimed were bad.



Face palm! LOL It may not change it for you since you already bought it but it does for those that didn't.

Why is it a bad example. According to you, lower the price and it will sell. Guess not eh.

A bad game is a bad game. Decreasing the price isn't going to make it any better. Even at $1.99 it's a waste of time and money.

My copy of Braveheart, and Tiller's Jutland, did a great service at the rifle range.

1943 Mosin-Nagant $100.

7.62x54r cartridge .50cents

Making sure those games never bothered anyone again, priceless.

Apparently the whole thing is over your head. Here's a hint:Its about pricing, no one said lowering the price makes bad games good. It does however sell them. Thanks for playing.

Don't play that way with me boy. You can't win. Bottom line: You can't afford it, so you whine about it. Now go play something else.

[Aurelian]

ORIGINAL: JRyan

ORIGINAL: Aurelian

Well, I guess I could send it to my mother's house. Something to look into

I would those Mosins are fun to shoot and cheap (at least for now). They are now getting $150 for them. I am so glad I bought my 55 Polish carbine when I did...it has 20 rounds through her and she is cherry and a beast to shoot. er..if I had one, lost it in a boating accident.

They're $169 where I buy them. Own two right now (Full size.) My brother has the 1944 carbine. They really are fun to shoot. And so easy to clean. (After you get all the cosmoline off )

A friend of mine tried it. Made the mistake of saying Owww. So I said "C'mon, Russian women fired that thing,"

[Aurelian]

ORIGINAL: Tomn




This is a pretty good example of what I'm talking about, really. The argument goes in circles because the insistence is that "You've already been answered, and answered in such a way that you can't argue back, so why don't you just shut up now?"

Then perhaps you should bring something new to the table instead of rehashing the same old arguments.

[Tomn]

ORIGINAL: Aurelian

ORIGINAL: Tomn
This is a pretty good example of what I'm talking about, really. The argument goes in circles because the insistence is that "You've already been answered, and answered in such a way that you can't argue back, so why don't you just shut up now?"

Then perhaps you should bring something new to the table instead of rehashing the same old arguments.

Now, see, this doesn't help at all. If you want to move the discussion forward, engage with the argument presented instead of simply trying to dismiss it under the umbrella of "You want the same thing as always, so clearly you're just saying the same thing as always and therefore I don't have to do anything beyond telling you to sit down and shut up." Once you have presented a response, we return a response, you return in turn, and so on until everyone involved has a clearer idea of the situation. The idea that we are saying exactly the same thing we always have and that everything we said has been entirely and completely answered without possibility of debate is a tempting fiction, but it is a fiction nonetheless, and if we seem to be repeating ourselves, it is only because people keep ignoring the points we are making or trying to wave them away without much reasoning as to why this should be so.

Like I said, though, I do understand that over a multi-page discussion, quite a lot of stuff goes missing very easily. If you request it, I can create a summary of my own arguments made in this thread with handy bolded titles so that you can identify where I said what, and any objections to the objections I could think of. I must warn you, though, that this will take quite some time and would be very long indeed, but it could well be of use in actually collecting the proofs and arguments made thus far into one (relatively) easy-to-read format that can then be debated for what it actually is, instead of sniping back and forth over generalizations.

[smudge56]

This is getting serious I'm just trying to figure how to placate my wife lol.