Advanced Third Reich/ World at War

[Zorachus99]

I have less than fondness for 3rd Reich. Not after a genius calculation by the UK allowed them to invade Netherlands, exploit off the invasion, Perform a Flip-Flop, attack an empty hex, and exploit to Berlin.

I doubt anyone can rationalize how the Brits conquered Berlin without the Germans moving a single unit. That's an invasion and exploitation of nearly 500 miles without a single response from the defender. [:-]

[willycube]

ORIGINAL: Zorachus99

I have less than fondness for 3rd Reich. Not after a genius calculation by the UK allowed them to invade Netherlands, exploit off the invasion, Perform a Flip-Flop, attack an empty hex, and exploit to Berlin.

I doubt anyone can rationalize how the Brits conquered Berlin without the Germans moving a single unit. That's an invasion and exploitation of nearly 500 miles without a single response from the defender. [:-]

I read you loud and clear Zorachus, it was unbelievable that that could happen what a waste of money I gave to Talon Soft, its a shame that Matrix didnt get a hold of it years ago I bet it would have been an awsome game.

Willy

[Bibs]

Willy I'm still confused, Talonsoft never released 3rd Reich, at least according to their list. They released Fall of the Reich which was an expansion to the East Front Tactical Series. Avalon Hill released a computer version of 3rd Reich. You still have the game you are talking about? I'd like to see a box cover scan if you can arrange it.

Thx

[willycube]

ORIGINAL: Bibs

Willy I'm still confused, Talonsoft never released 3rd Reich, at least according to their list. They released Fall of the Reich which was an expansion to the East Front Tactical Series. Avalon Hill released a computer version of 3rd Reich. You still have the game you are talking about? I'd like to see a box cover scan if you canarrange it.

Thx

Hey Bibs you know I might be the one confused not you, I have or had not sure, a box with Avalons Hills name on it of computer 3rd Reich that I know but I remember complaining about it to the owner of talon soft [forgot his name] about the horrible AI, now maybe Talon soft took over the title from Avalon Hill along with other games and never wanted to acknowledge it belonged to them. I played the game for about two months and then removed it from my computer because the AI was bad. And maybe they never took it over, my mind is hazy its called old age, thanks for correcting me.

Willy

[Mad Russian]

ORIGINAL: willycube

ORIGINAL: Bibs

Willy I'm still confused, Talonsoft never released 3rd Reich, at least according to their list. They released Fall of the Reich which was an expansion to the East Front Tactical Series. Avalon Hill released a computer version of 3rd Reich. You still have the game you are talking about? I'd like to see a box cover scan if you canarrange it.

Thx

Hey Bibs you know I might be the one confused not you, I have or had not sure, a box with Avalons Hills name on it of computer 3rd Reich that I know but I remember complaing about it to the owner of talon soft [forgot his name] about the horrible AI, now maybe Talon soft took over the title from Avalon Hill along with other games and never wanted to acknowledge it belonged to them. I played the game for about two months and then removed it from my computer because the AI was bad. And maybe they never took it over, my mind is hazy its called old age, thanks for correcting me.

Willy

Jim Rose was the founder of Talonsoft Games.

Good Hunting.

MR

[Mike Parker]

I don't think anybody but AH made a computer 3rd Reich.  I could be wrong but I don't think I am.  Its possible somebody took over AH's 3rd reich but I doubt it, the AI was stale and mechanical, and while I liked computer 3rd reich it was a game I think that would appeal to only the truly hard core AH gamers.
 
I am almost positive your thinking of some other game Willy cube, can you take a screenshot of this game and post here?  I think the old 3R hands would know almost immediatly if its an adaptation of AH's game.

[willycube]

ORIGINAL: Mike Parker

I don't think anybody but AH made a computer 3rd Reich.  I could be wrong but I don't think I am.  Its possible somebody took over AH's 3rd reich but I doubt it, the AI was stale and mechanical, and while I liked computer 3rd reich it was a game I think that would appeal to only the truly hard core AH gamers.

I am almost positive your thinking of some other game Willy cube, can you take a screenshot of this game and post here?  I think the old 3R hands would know almost immediatly if its an adaptation of AH's game.

Sorry I dont Mike, I removed the game many years ago but I will look for the box it came in, I believe your right it was an Avalon Hill game only, but I do remember talking to Jim Rose of Talon Soft about it, when I complained about the game[not sure who I talked to] the person I guess from Avalon Hill told me oh well it will help you learn the board game better nice HUH!

Willy

[Mike Parker]

Ahhhhh
 
I can SURE see someone telling you computer 3R could help you learn the board game better.  The AI was pretty poor, but you could get a decent game by handicapping your side.  And it had hotseat (if I remember) which was huge, because 3R taking up a whole table is not always possible and playing a game straight through was pretty hard.

[willycube]

ORIGINAL: Mike Parker

Ahhhhh

I can SURE see someone telling you computer 3R could help you learn the board game better.  The AI was pretty poor, but you could get a decent game by handicapping your side.  And it had hotseat (if I remember) which was huge, because 3R taking up a whole table is not always possible and playing a game straight through was pretty hard.

Your dead right on that one Mike, you know Mike I haven't heard one comment on Squad leader or advanced Squad leader, I think [not sure] but someone was going to put it on a computer, do you remember that or am I pipe dreaming, I think it too would have been an awsome undertaking like WIF has been.

Willy

[Mad Russian]

ORIGINAL: willycube

ORIGINAL: Mike Parker

Ahhhhh

I can SURE see someone telling you computer 3R could help you learn the board game better.  The AI was pretty poor, but you could get a decent game by handicapping your side.  And it had hotseat (if I remember) which was huge, because 3R taking up a whole table is not always possible and playing a game straight through was pretty hard.

Your dead right on that one Mike, you know Mike I haven't heard one comment on Squad leader or advanced Squad leader, I think [not sure] but someone was going to put it on a computer, do you remember that or am I pipe dreaming, I think it too would have been an awsome undertaking like WIF has been.

Willy

SL/ASL has been tried several times and done well at least twice. You are so late the best version is slowly dying because of hardware issues.

They were both light years better than the 3R conversion to computer and still both available and playable if you have an XP computer.

Good Hunting.

MR

[willycube]

ORIGINAL: Mad Russian

ORIGINAL: willycube

ORIGINAL: Mike Parker

Ahhhhh

I can SURE see someone telling you computer 3R could help you learn the board game better.  The AI was pretty poor, but you could get a decent game by handicapping your side.  And it had hotseat (if I remember) which was huge, because 3R taking up a whole table is not always possible and playing a game straight through was pretty hard.

Your dead right on that one Mike, you know Mike I haven't heard one comment on Squad leader or advanced Squad leader, I think [not sure] but someone was going to put it on a computer, do you remember that or am I pipe dreaming, I think it too would have been an awsome undertaking like WIF has been.

Willy

SL/ASL has been tried several times and done well at least twice. You are so late the best version is slowly dying because of hardware issues.

They were both light years better than the 3R conversion to computer and still both available and playable if you have an XP computer.

Good Hunting.

MR

Hey Mad Russian, was it under the name of Squad Leader and a pure transfer from the board game to the computer? What hardware issues? What name did it go under and who was the publisher? Thanks in advance.

Willy

[Mad Russian]

ORIGINAL: willycube

Hey Mad Russian, was it under the name of Squad Leader and a pure transfer from the board game to the computer? What hardware issues? What name did it go under and who was the publisher? Thanks in advance.

Willy

A little off subject topic here aren't we Willy? [:-]

This is much further off subject than the dice posts you don't like, even though those are a part of MWiF. If you want to discuss SL/ASL then PM or email me.

I'm easy to find.

Good Hunting.

MR

[willycube]

ORIGINAL: Mad Russian

ORIGINAL: willycube

Hey Mad Russian, was it under the name of Squad Leader and a pure transfer from the board game to the computer? What hardware issues? What name did it go under and who was the publisher? Thanks in advance.

Willy

A little off subject topic here aren't we Willy? [:-]

This is much further off subject than the dice posts you don't like, even though those are a part of MWiF. If you want to discuss SL/ASL then PM or email me.

I'm easy to find.

Good Hunting.

MR

Sounds like your dissing me Russian, but thats all right, I was very interested in your observation of what the WIF board game was like to play, I liked your answers and wanted to hear more from you about the game, I was disappointed when the thread was changed, I am not against the die thread at all, I just wanted to hear more from you about the board game, if you go back over the posts I think I was very courteous to every one including you, I was hoping against hope to stay on track and I will never say anything about changing posts again, as for ASL no problem not that important, if I have offended you in some way I appoligize I am just trying to understand this game.

Willy

[composer99]

You guys should see some of the bad off-topics that went on in other threads. And not worry so much about threads going off now. They'll come back on eventually, usually after a period of quiescence.
 
Any good conversation rambles from subject to subject. Only on forum discussion threads are we apparently supposed to start brand new conversations instead. [:)]

[willycube]

ORIGINAL: composer99

You guys should see some of the bad off-topics that went on in other threads. And not worry so much about threads going off now. They'll come back on eventually, usually after a period of quiescence.

Any good conversation rambles from subject to subject. Only on forum discussion threads are we apparently supposed to start brand new conversations instead. [:)]

Thanks composer I handled myself poorly in my reply post Im usually very courteous to everyone and I respect everyones opinion.

Willy

[Mad Russian]

ORIGINAL: willycube


Sounds like your dissing me Russian, but thats all right,

I was a bit....just giving you back a bit of your own medicine. And more importantly to show you how easy it is to take a thread in a completely different direction that what was intended.

I was very interested in your observation of what the WIF board game was like to play, I liked your answers and wanted to hear more from you about the game, I was disappointed when the thread was changed, I am not against the die thread at all, I just wanted to hear more from you about the board game, if you go back over the posts I think I was very courteous to every one including you,

Yes, you did fine.

I was hoping against hope to stay on track and I will never say anything about changing posts again, as for ASL no problem not that important, if I have offended you in some way I appoligize I am just trying to understand this game.

Willy

ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That was not the intent of my comment to you. It's good to bring players attention back at times to where threads have managed to go.

About offending me in any way, never happened. None meant and certainly none taken. I'm good to go. In this case, I don't think it's right to discuss other game companies products that are still being sold here on the Matrix forums. If you want to talk about those then we can do that in a PM.

WiF will be the one of the games you remember for the rest of your life once you play it. IMO, it's that good.

Good Hunting.

MR

[welk]

For those who are waiting for WIF PC and want to play with 3r PC during the waiting time : you can get the game and 1.38 patch here + complete manuels + a little soft (3r gold) that allows to modify the game

http://www.specialistsilencers.com/3r.htm

Dos box is needed to use it. A very great game, and I hope that WIF PC will be a good game too. I never played with WIF boardgame (juste 3r boardgame) but I will buy WIF PC when it will be ready

[winky51]

A3R/RS plays like chess, easier rules to learn, tactical mistakes are costly, strategic ones are harder to mess up, larger scale

WIF plays like blackjack, hard rules to learn but they flow, tactical mistakes are minor, strategic mistakes costly and easy to mess up on, smaller scale

ETO/PTO plays like craps, medium rules to learn but doesnt flow (too many special rules), strategic and tactical mistakes are even in importance and either can make or break a game, smaller scale.

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I like A3R's simplicity, I like WIF's game flow, I like the steps of ETO/PTO. WIF is still the better of the 3 IMO.

[JonBrave]

ORIGINAL: winky51

A3R/RS plays like chess, easier rules to learn, ...

WIF plays like blackjack, hard rules to learn ...

Chess has easier rules to learn than blackjack which has harder ones? [&:]

[bo]

ORIGINAL: welk

For those who are waiting for WIF PC and want to play with 3r PC during the waiting time : you can get the game and 1.38 patch here + complete manuels + a little soft (3r gold) that allows to modify the game

http://www.specialistsilencers.com/3r.htm

Dos box is needed to use it. A very great game, and I hope that WIF PC will be a good game too. I never played with WIF boardgame (juste 3r boardgame) but I will buy WIF PC when it will be ready

I am a little confused here are we talking about computer 3rd Reich or something else? If we are talking about computer 3rd Reidh the one I removed one month after I was ripped off with the worst AI ever made for a game it was a horrible attempt to do the board game and an insult to the industry. Do you mean that 3rd Reich?

Bo