Are these BUGS in 021B????

[STIENER]

well i will e mail him and ask........the only thing we dont know for sure is which BG he merged with.

everything else we know for sure ..dont we.

right?

[Andrew Williams]

well... we don't know because you keep giving different answers.and sending me for one on wild goose chases.. so let's just wait and see what he has to say and look at things in a calm and cool manner.


it does seem odd that there is limited deploy though...

Did the BG fight in amongst those streets last battle?

Did they lose any vehicles and left a wreck?

[Andrew Williams]

Do you have a screeshot of what you are reporting at Mook?

[STIENER]

ok....so now we have some real questions here.....now i know what your digging for.
i didnt originally say he merged....it was someone else that said it was obviuos he merged. so now i got my e mail from him...

he DID NOT merge with anyone other than the static BG that was there.

the BG did fight amonst all those street the battle before as i stated above. and then could not deploy there, any where in the 2nd battle.

i dont no for sure if he had any vehicles in the 1st battle. i did not see any and none were destroyed for sure. we had a big inf fight and he had 2 flak guns which were destroyed. 1 37 mm in the town and an 88 on the other side of the bridge.
i will e mail him and ask.
NEWS FLASH...... NO vehicles fo sure in the 1st fight.

[STIENER]

sorry ..no screen shot of mook....i didnt no till after.he didnt tell me till later after we had a couple of fights.

does using the MOVE order instead of the attack order make any difference to moving to contact? in the rules im lead to believe it DOES NOT make any diff, other than you lose more cohesion if you attack onto a map instead of moving onto a map.
he thinks he may have MOVED onto Mook instead of attacking onto mook, which has an allied AB BG on it and an allied conrolled bridge. i captured the bridge before it could be blown.

[xe5]

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i didnt originally say he merged....it was someone else that said it was obviuos he merged.

What you said was "germans have not merged any BG's as far as i know" which confused the issue because Graebner did merge with the Nijmegen Bridge static BG.

ORIGINAL: STIENER
trust me when i say that THIS BG...Graebner ...already fought one battle on this map...i fought it there. they lost allot of troops in the 1st fight. as for merging im 90% sure now that andrew pointed it out that my opponent did merge greabner with someone. NOT the static BG....it did that the turn before this one. theres german Para's in this roster...graebner was an SS recon BG, so....

News flash - trust me when I say this...I know for sure that Graebner did not fight any previous battles in your campaign. Graebner's active and forcepool rosters are intact, none of the available BG or parent formation points have been used. Unit values are green. Graebner's core BG is completely original, in exactly the same condition it started the GC. If Graebner had fought previously on Nijegen Bridge your opponent almost certainly would have used and reported having vehicles. Graebner has only merged with the Nijmegen Bridge static BG (which has FJ units).

The bug involving the Nijmegen Bridge map is that the system doesnt recognize Axis control of the RR bridge should allow Graebner's units to deploy on the south bank. On the other hand, if portions of both bridges were Allied controlled, then logically Graebner's units should not be allowed to deploy on the south bank, BUT the static BG units merged into Graebner's BG should be allowed to deploy south of the Waal. Another logical issue is - if both bridges are enemy controlled, shouldnt units be constrained to deploy on the side of the river they occupied when control of both bridges was lost?

does using the MOVE order instead of the attack order make any difference to moving to contact? in the rules im lead to believe it DOES NOT make any diff, other than you lose more cohesion if you attack onto a map instead of moving onto a map.

Yes, in addition to causing less loss of cohesion, the MOVE order is DIFFERENT than Attack because it means that BG will be in reserve if there is another friendly BG already on the map.

he thinks he may have MOVED onto Mook instead of attacking onto mook, which has an allied AB BG on it and an allied conrolled bridge. i captured the bridge before it could be blown.

I know we cant spell and our syntax is in sodden shambles but lets at least keep the facts straight ok? Your opponents BG arrived on Mook during the 0600 turn as a reinforcement. Mook doesnt have a bridge, or an Allied BG on it at the start of the 0600 turn. The problem that you previously reported is this:

"the german BG in Mook was slated to move to Heuman bridge...there is an AB BG there....it didnt move.....the green move arrow was still there after we it EXECUTE but the BG was still in Mook"

Besides the fact that Axis strat move arrows are red, not green, did you move the AB BG from Grafwegen to Mook on the 0600 turn? If you did then you pre-empted the intended Axis move from Mook to Heumen Bridge. Please post another zip of the current save file to spare the forensic analysis from depending only on convoluted Stienerisms.

[STIENER]

gotta love Micks sense or humour. LMAO [:D] a bit sarcastic....love you too Mick [ did i spall that right?? ]

ok i admit this is getting a bit messed up. sorry....but lets face it no one seems to be able to read the original post which i thought was pretty detailed and make sense out of it for some reason?? perhaps try reading it a second or third time?

BUT Micks right [ god i hope my syntax and spelling is ok....Mick must have spell check ] there is a few things mixed up here. the problem is my opponent wasnt giving me some facts and im playing the other side and i was focusing on other things...like the battle. i also dont no whats in the german force pools.....im not playing them and i have not played as german yet.

Njimegan. portions of the both bridges were NOT in allied control. only the road bridge and 1 Vl in the town. see the 3 or 4 explainations above [ yes reading skills are needed ] [ god my syntax again [:@] ]
i think Mick hit the nail on the head tho with his definition of the problem " The bug involving the Nijmegen Bridge map is that the system doesnt recognize Axis control of the RR bridge should allow Graebner's units to deploy on the south bank"

Mook / Heuman bridge. were playing the 18th at 6:00. the 505/1 U.S. is in Heuman bridge. they moved there on the 17 at 15:00 from Mook and fought and took the bridge. they did not move any where. its now the 18th at 6:00. the germans come on at Mook. they tried to move to Heuman. my opponents thinks he may have used a MOVE order instead of an attack order. he did try to move there using some order. the german BG did not move but my opponent says he saw the move arrow [ he says it was green..perhaps he's color blind?? ] still there after we hit the EXE button and all the other moves were made. the allied BG did not have a move order to go any where. it was already there in heuman bridge. on my strat sceen after EXE was done there was NO move arrow that i could see, but on his strat screen he says there was.
is there enough detail here now? hope this is ok Mick, my fragile ego cant take another beating....

[RD Oddball]

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i think Mick hit the nail on the head tho with his definition of the problem " The bug involving the Nijmegen Bridge map is that the system doesnt recognize Axis control of the RR bridge should allow Graebner's units to deploy on the south bank"

As I'd mentioned in post #54 we'd look at it. I entered a bug on that day I posted.

[xe5]

Stiener - you dont by any chance have a cousin in Oz called 'Anzac Tack'? [;)]

[STIENER]

started my GC again from the attachment above with my opponent. were still using the 021b patch.

the germans could not deploy vehicles.....a/c and h/t on the city side of the river. they hold most of the VL's there. they could deploy inf any where.....both sides of the river.
the germans had vehicles on both sides of the river including the city at the end of last battle.

[Andrew Williams]

Could the infantry deploy on the other side of the river previously?


Is it the infantry that were already on the map the turn before that can deploy on the other side of the river?


Can infantry that arrive with the mobile BG deploy on either side of the river or are they also stranded on one side.


Just to let you know... it seems to be working as designed at present.. the question is should it be designed that way and is there an alternative?

[STIENER]

no the inf could not deply on the other side of the river previously.

the german only changed / added 2 vehicles to his BG. so yes the inf from previously are the ones that can deploy across the river. they ended last turn there along with some vehicles.

he's only using the mobile bg inf [ SS troopers ] in this battle and the last battle. im not sure if all the inf could deploy on both sides. i will e mail him.

if its designed this way its pretty wack....having to keep bringing your vehicles back acros the river.

[Andrew Williams]

To try and get clarification...

This is the first or second battle where vehicles are available on this map?  (is it a different battle to the one you posted above?)

[STIENER]

got my info.

all his inf could deploy on both sides of the river. just not the vehicles. this is the second battle that vehicles were availible. and its the same battle posted above. its the first battle to play in the attachment above.

Steinerisms..a new word?[:D] [ i see the guiness book of world records coming.. ]

[Andrew Williams]

this is the second battle that vehicles were availible. and its the same battle posted above. its the first battle to play in the attachment above.

Pardon me while I twiddle my thumbs and await clarification.

[Andrew Williams]

and

no the inf could not deply on the other side of the river previously.

the german only changed / added 2 vehicles to his BG. so yes the inf from previously are the ones that can deploy across the river.

Should I continue listening...........  ??

[STIENER]

andrew......its the first battle you play in GC in the attachement from post # 66.....Njimegan bridge battle.

[STIENER]

MOOK
this is the second strat move that the german Goebel BG in mook would not move into heuman bridge. this time the german used an attack order instead of a move order. after EXE the red or pink arrow is still there but the BG did not move in.

there is now and was last time an allied AB bg at heuman bridge. it has not moved.

i tried an AI strat move. the AI being german and the AI german Goebel BG will move into heuman bridge from Mook.

Oddball....im assuming your aware of this bug?

[Andrew Williams]

post #66 is by XE5 with no attachments

[STIENER]

gee andrew i guess its post # 67 then [&:] do you think you can find it?? [;)]