Operation Barbarossa - Alpha AAR

[freeboy]

is there any way to stockpile suppleis ?

[Smirfy]

The 9th seem strung out on a long frontage does that effect their efficency, supply comand and control and the like?

[jaw]

ORIGINAL: ComradeP

The TOE labels don't always match the year the TOE changes. If a TOE was changing very late in the year, I would label it for the next year. A good example is the '44 Infantry division TOE which actually comes into effect in late 1943.

Doesn't that cause some problems with equipment that doesn't exist/isn't in production at the time of the TOE change, not to mention with equipment that would become obsolete/disappears from the TOE too early? For example: infantry divisions switching from PaK 36/PaK 38 AT battalions to PaK 38/PaK 40 AT battalions?

No, the TOE labels are just labels. The important thing is the dates in use and these are usually tied to equipment availability where necessary. Also the game system controls equipment by class as well as by type so while a TOE might call for a particular tank type it can take any available type from that class. For example, the TOE might want a Panzer IIIm but if none are available it will take any medium tank that is available.

[elmo3]

ORIGINAL: freeboy

is there any way to stockpile suppleis ?

Units can have over 100% of what they need but I'm not sure what the upper limit is.

[elmo3]

ORIGINAL: Smirfy


The 9th seem strung out on a long frontage does that effect their efficency, supply comand and control and the like?

As long as I keep the units within command range of their HQ's and the Corps HQ's within range of the Army HQ they should be OK. Of course in bad weather it takes more MP's to move per hex so that can make it harder for units to get supplied. Being closer to a railhead helps too.

[The SNAFU]

Hard to say for sure but it appears 9th Army was less able to hold in places where they were forced to defend clear terrain. I assume forests/wooded areas offer more defensive benefits.

[Smirfy]

As long as I keep the units within command range of their HQ's and the Corps HQ's within range of the Army HQ they should be OK. Of course in bad weather it takes more MP's to move per hex so that can make it harder for units to get supplied. Being closer to a railhead helps too.

One of your Korps HQ's is 9 hexs awy from its parent army HQ's, seems alot.

[elmo3]

ORIGINAL: Smirfy

One of your Korps HQ's is 9 hexs awy from its parent army HQ's, seems alot.

Reading the manual now. I may have misspoken about ranges. I was thinking lower HQ's had to be in range of higher HQ's but now that I read it that section refers to units being withing range of an HQ. So a unit needs to be within 5 of it's Corps HQ if attached to the Corp. But if the unit reports directly to an Army HQ then it needs to be within 15 hexes of it. Range to front/army group is 45 and OKH/STAVKA is 90. I don't see any requirements for distance from subordinate HQ to parent yet.

[Smirfy]

Reading the manual now. I may have misspoken about ranges. I was thinking lower HQ's had to be in range of higher HQ's but now that I read it that section refers to units being withing range of an HQ. So a unit needs to be within 5 of it's Corps HQ if attached to the Corp. But if the unit reports directly to an Army HQ then it needs to be within 15 hexes of it. Range to front/army group is 45 and OKH/STAVKA is 90. I don't see any requirements for distance from subordinate HQ to parent yet.

Those distances do seem a bit far to the point of them being rather pointless., whats a hex 20 miles?

[PyleDriver]

Hexs are 10 miles...

[Smirfy]

Hexs are 10 miles...

Am I understanding this correctly? The range from STAVKA/OKH to Army Groups/Fronts is 900 miles (kinda kills the Hitler HQ's fun vibe) The range from Army Group/Front to Army is 450 miles. From Army to Korps/Corps is 150 miles and from Corps/Korps to division is 50. If thats the case it seems kinda just a bit much and if units can directly report bypassing HQ's a tad pointless. Paulus certainly would have been safe

[stevekten]

ORIGINAL: Smirfy

Hexs are 10 miles...

Am I understanding this correctly? The range from STAVKA/OKH to Army Groups/Fronts is 900 miles (kinda kills the Hitler HQ's fun vibe) The range from Army Group/Front to Army is 450 miles. From Army to Korps/Corps is 150 miles and from Corps/Korps to division is 50. If thats the case it seems kinda just a bit much and if units can directly report bypassing HQ's a tad pointless. Paulus certainly would have been safe

suggest you read some books on the length of front divsions/korps/armys covered, especially during the 42 offensive in the south. It will suprise you and make these numbers more realistic.

[elmo3]

ORIGINAL: Smirfy

Hexs are 10 miles...

Am I understanding this correctly? The range from STAVKA/OKH to Army Groups/Fronts is 900 miles (kinda kills the Hitler HQ's fun vibe) The range from Army Group/Front to Army is 450 miles. From Army to Korps/Corps is 150 miles and from Corps/Korps to division is 50. If thats the case it seems kinda just a bit much and if units can directly report bypassing HQ's a tad pointless. Paulus certainly would have been safe

No. Those ranges are for units that are directly reporting to that particular HQ, not from HQ to HQ. If you overload an HQ with units reporting to it directly it adversely affects a number of game functions.

[CaptBeefheart]

Thanks for the replacement and reinforcement screenies. Could you also show us aircraft and tank production?

And good luck holding back the Soviet onslaught.

Cheers,
CC

[PyleDriver]

Alot of this is what we kicked around for supply and support. Meaning leaders thru the chain to do "die rolls" to provide support units in battles, and the supply chain to maintain the needs. Supply has been our largest task for over a year. It was a mess when we started, how do we get it close to historical, and make it playable and understood... Well if they could get me happy, I'd say you well be also. Hell I bitch when it's 60 outside...lol...

[Smirfy]

suggest you read some books on the length of front divsions/korps/armys covered, especially during the 42 offensive in the south. It will suprise you and make these numbers more realistic.

Think you are kinda missing the point sure administrative distances were stretched that did not mean they were optimum especially in the 42 offensive.

[Smirfy]

Alot of this is what we kicked around for supply and support. Meaning leaders thru the chain to do "die rolls" to provide support units in battles, and the supply chain to maintain the needs. Supply has been our largest task for over a year. It was a mess when we started, how do we get it close to historical, and make it playable and understood... Well if they could get me happy, I'd say you well be also. Hell I bitch when it's 60 outside...lol...

I agree playability is the main consideration but hopefully the concept wont be redundant to the level it looks in a couple of screenies. But then again thats whats testings for.

[elmo3]

Today is St Patrick's Day and my wife's birthday so the chances of me having time for a turn are low.  I know everyone wants to see me get slapped around on another blizzard turn but in real life it's predicted to be over 60 degrees and sunny here in upstate NY so if I do have any free time, the yard work beckons. Sorry.

[elmo3]

ORIGINAL: Commander Cody

Thanks for the replacement and reinforcement screenies. Could you also show us aircraft and tank production?

And good luck holding back the Soviet onslaught.

Cheers,
CC

Here is a shot of part of the production screen. Don't ask me to decipher all the columns please.

[critter]

ORIGINAL: elmo3

Today is St Patrick's Day and my wife's birthday so the chances of me having time for a turn are low.  I know everyone wants to see me get slapped around on another blizzard turn but in real life it's predicted to be over 60 degrees and sunny here in upstate NY so if I do have any free time, the yard work beckons. Sorry.

The Fuhrer can forgive the interuption for Momma Elmo's birthday. But for yard work? [&:] [:D]
Happy Birthday Frau Elmo.