AIRCRAFT !!

[Milman]

I don't say i would like that , just explainig whay i can't call it simulation of ww2 in pacific .

[Mike Scholl]

ORIGINAL: Milman

I don't say i would like that , just explainig whay i can't call it simulation of ww2 in pacific .

To be a "simulation", it has to be simulated from a specific point of view. If you are Roosevelt, you are very powerful in a "buck stops here" frame of reference...but you can only chose from strategic and production options presented to you by your staff. If you are MacArthur, you get to make the tactical decisions in your theatre..., but your strategic decisions come down from above.

If anything, WITP fails as a "simulation" for exactly the opposite of the reason you cited. The player has too much control from top-to-bottom..., everything from altering national production to deciding what altitude an air attack in the SW Pacific will fly at. It's a bit schitzophrenic...

[Milman]

Example : Panzer Elite game .

Simulation of tank/tank platoon . I can do every thing which was posible in RL .

Simulation of WITP - I need to have influence on all things which were imortant for that theater of war . president Roosevelt decision , Industry and research , and every thing in organization of army .

If i am MacArthur that is , as you said , only simulation of one theater .

I am aware that this concept is imposible for game and even if someone make it we will need 7 brains and 9 hands to play it .

[Rob Brennan UK]

I haven't seen a good old fashioned verbal scrap here for some time [:D].

changing wikipedia to confirm a dubious statement .. bad naughty person. Isn't Wiki supposed to be 'policed' to some minor extent to prevent fraudulent claims , else it's a completely unreliable source text [&:]

72 units ! [X(], 10,000 losses [8|],wonder what a 'real' nuke would do to that stack [;)]. IE 5-6 Battleships with full recon [8D].BOOM !

So in a nutshell , High Command enters the forum, posts in an arrogant and demeaning manner , insults everyone here by 'pigeon holing us all' as 'kids' Cough I'm cough 40 cough and by no means the eldest. Edits wikipedia to validate his bizarre claims, refuses to share his 'knowledge' or sources then runs away sulking , announcing to all here 'i withdraw ' , come on nemo give us an assessment of his mental state (or lack thereof).

Personally i think we are all better off without him [;)]

As for his opponent , well i wish you well in your game but i have a sneaking suspicion that as soon as his game starts going badly he'll bail faster than an Indian in a leaking canoe.

Fish - nice digging there [;)]

I feel better now .. thanks for the comedy postings high command, made my evening [:D]

humm now i think on this .. Marky ! yes I'm looking in your direction .. alt maybe ?[:-][;)]

[decaro]

I've actually played Panzer Elite; you're the leader of a platoon of WW II tanks w/realistic armour protection, ammo levels, etc., in a series of short semi-historical scenarios via a frag order and a strip map of the area.

But PG is a real-time scenario simulation w/the player in the first person perspective, way down the chain of command; it doesn't really compare w/the massive turn-based WitP theater. I think the issue here is more semantics and a grasp of English (no offense intended -- Serbo-Croatian -- even in the Latin alphabet -- wasn't my strong suit when I was in the Balkans).

There have been long discussions on the UV forum as to whether Grigsby games were tactical or strategic as WitP/UV seems to be both at the same time.

And I don't think anyone will miss High Command; even his handle was arrogant.

[Mike Scholl]

ORIGINAL: Milman
I am aware that this concept is imposible for game and even if someone make it we will need 7 brains and 9 hands to play it .

Agreed. What would really make this game a "simulation" would be if it were set up as a "multi-player" only event. One Strategic Commander, and several tactical/area commanders. Well, we can dream anyway.....

[matchwood]

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who the hell are you to call me a troll, get back into your little internet bubble and calm down, you my friend are taking yourself way too seriously and I believe the guy that started the thread is looking for trouble as I believe are you and I expect an apology on being called a troll
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Did I miss anything? I'm not being cheeky, please don't "DELEATED" me.

[eloso]

ORIGINAL: Rob Brennan UK

As for his opponent , well i wish you well in your game but i have a sneaking suspicion that as soon as his game starts going badly he'll bail faster than an Indian in a leaking canoe.

Thanks for the wishes. I don't think he'll bail as this will most likely be his only game since he's deleted his account and embarrassed himself to the point that finding another opponent will be difficult. I've played him in HOI2 MP before and he is the type of guy that won't quit until his last unit is removed from the map. I could be wrong though.

Well... It looks like I opened a big can of worms with this. I'm pretty embarrassed about my opponent's behavior here.

We had an hour and a half debate over MSN regarding this matter in which I suggested he post here if he felt there was a true problem with the A2A model in this scenario of CHS in order to give feedback for improvements in a later version.

His response was that everyone here was ignorant. I told him that was an arrogant statement. While there are some people here that may fit that description, I didn't think it was a very good judgment on his part to come in here slinging mud right off the bat.

I'm not sure I want to continue playing him now. I'll have to think about it.

[Fishbed]

Well Im sorry about that OSO. But as I told your opponent several times, well he's the most welcomed to show us his references and we'll be listening to him very carefully.
Moreover, if he wishes to stop all this, give up the past and behave like we all do, well I have the word *peace* written all over my forefront [;)]
Got nothing against him (and that's also because Im truly an ignorant [:)] )

(PS: btw OSO Im a Paradox forums vet too, and well I can understand how certain people among the HoI mob can look and act weirdly from time to time, so you have my true sympathy and understanding [;)])

[JeffroK]

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[DaveB]

Good luck Oso -
FWIW, he just didn't seem to follow that the result wasn't A2A - your escort and his CAP mixed it. the bombers then had a largely unopposed run at his base as the CAP had been fully occupied, and having stacked like a multi storey car park every bomb took out a plane... from the rants I got the distinct impression he'd not twigged that his biggest losses weren't CAP a/c being shot down, but a/c still sitting on the field getting bombed. He also hasn't understood that the combat animations include a fair degree of misinformation.

WIKI is a brilliant idea, but don't quote it - find an article that has references you can double check.... got a small problem in education these days with older students, who don't understand that a Wiki reference doesn't carry any weight on a submission. I'll make good use of the Chinese Lanc story in future explanations.

...and finally, when I was 15 I was an Air Cadet (quite a while back, we still had collar studs for example), and a bunch of us were asked to help out at the local airport where a small aviation museum was starting up...we had an ex-French Lanc, I spent a happy summer crawling all over it, sitting in a turret during an engine run was fun but hand pumping the bomb doors was considerably less enjoyable. It flew into the airport, I don't know what became of it afterwards but I suspect it didn't fly back out. Used to charge people to climb in at the rear crew door, exit was via a ladder down from the bomb aimer's hatch, please don't twiddle the knobs as you go past. Had the chap who played Guy Gibson visit one day, Richard Todd. (I was most disappointed to find he didn't have a fur collared flying jacket on and a steely air of command... tsk, actors eh?)

(edtieid for spelinhje)

[Mike Scholl]

ORIGINAL: OSO
We had an hour and a half debate over MSN regarding this matter in which I suggested he post here if he felt there was a true problem with the A2A model in this scenario of CHS in order to give feedback for improvements in a later version.

His response was that everyone here was ignorant. I told him that was an arrogant statement. While there are some people here that may fit that description, I didn't think it was a very good judgment on his part to come in here slinging mud right off the bat.

I'm not sure I want to continue playing him now. I'll have to think about it.

Oso. We've all gotten stuck in games with folks we later discover we'd rather not associate with. Maybe you'll get lucky and he'll bail on you. I doubt he'll feel any guilt about it..., while you, as a gentleman, would.

[m10bob]

Being an ignorant slob, I was so hoping for some edification on WWII from the titled gentry, (High Command)?

[Rob Brennan UK]

Good Luck OSO, i do hope I'm wrong (and ignorant [;)](actually true)).

Has Poona got a coastline ? don't have the CHS or even the stock map at present. I'd dearly love to see what 4 RN BB's would do to that hex [:D]

[eloso]

Poona does not have a coastline. It is inland one hex from Bombay.