How to Choose Leaders

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btd64 wrote: Thu May 11, 2023 11:15 am
LowesyPC wrote: Thu May 11, 2023 8:18 am A little update for this.

For ASW leaders, high aggression leads to more ASW weapons being used. This can mean more hits, but definitely will mean more reloads needed.
You dug deep to find this one :lol:.
True enough statement 👌. I also look for naval skills as well....GP
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Hello

A side note

The US Naviy have many good captains and commander in cargo, tanker and oiler

e.g.:
AO Tippecanoe => CDR Macondray
AO Platte => CPT Henkle
AP Barnett => CPT Tornbill

and so on

Which are more usefull for Submarines, Destroyer and capital ships

The japanese also have some good commanders in none value ships
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Hopefully not too deep to awake something in the dark
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Bump for the helpful information contained here.
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Omat wrote: Mon May 15, 2023 6:26 pm Hello

A side note

The US Naviy have many good captains and commander in cargo, tanker and oiler

e.g.:
AO Tippecanoe => CDR Macondray
AO Platte => CPT Henkle
AP Barnett => CPT Tornbill

and so on

Which are more usefull for Submarines, Destroyer and capital ships

The japanese also have some good commanders in none value ships
Yes, the assignment of leaders is not ideal for the ship types - but the problem is lack of PP to change them. Even the one or two PP needed are precious early in the game.
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Hi,

fairly new at this & was about to change the leader of a US Fighter Group and was thrown as some choices had an asterisk and some did not, what does this mean?

Hope this is the correct place to pose this question

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dpt182 wrote: Fri Jul 04, 2025 1:04 pm fairly new at this & was about to change the leader of a US Fighter Group and was thrown as some choices had an asterisk and some did not, what does this mean?
If there is an asterisk symbol by their rank it means they are a combat pilot as well as a group leader. Most leaders command from the ground, but pilot leaders fly with their group and are at risk of getting shot down unless you inactivate them for flying.
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Bo Rearguard wrote: Fri Jul 04, 2025 1:24 pm
dpt182 wrote: Fri Jul 04, 2025 1:04 pm
If there is an asterisk symbol by their rank it means they are a combat pilot as well as a group leader. Most leaders command from the ground, but pilot leaders fly with their group and are at risk of getting shot down unless you inactivate them for flying.
Hi,

thanks for the info, I noticed some of them showing up in red amongst my pilots, but couldn't send them to the general reserve pool. I suppose they have to be bought out with PP then.

Thanks again

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dpt182 wrote: Fri Jul 04, 2025 5:46 pm thanks for the info, I noticed some of them showing up in red amongst my pilots, but couldn't send them to the general reserve pool. I suppose they have to be bought out with PP then.
I believe you should be able to send them to the group reserve rather than the general reserve. Their name will become grayed out in the group pilot roster. Then they'll continue to command the air group, but won't fly combat missions with it.
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Your going to have to post a pic. Not sure what you mean by the red bit. Red text can appear in a number of places and usually indicates something bad or a warning, like no pilots in the pool.

It is a little complicated until you get the hang of it but read the Air War Guide here, page 43. It should help along with the manual sections indicated.

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Chris21wen wrote: Sat Jul 05, 2025 6:19 am Your going to have to post a pic. Not sure what you mean by the red bit. Red text can appear in a number of places and usually indicates something bad or a warning, like no pilots in the pool.
It is a little complicated until you get the hang of it but read the Air War Guide here, page 43. It should help along with the manual sections indicated.
Hi Chris,

sorry I can't work out how to take a screen shot, but the air war guide is extremely helpful.

Thankyou

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dpt182 wrote: Sat Jul 05, 2025 6:47 pm sorry I can't work out how to take a screen shot, but the air war guide is extremely helpful.
I'm assuming you're referring to this. Red Leader standing by.

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Red pilots names indicate the pilot has no aircraft to fly. It's most often seen and applied to leaders who can fly as they seem to be the ones selected if the group is short of aircraft. If there's any reserve aircraft available there will be used. Not sure it's entirely consistent or important as there are other and better ways of keeping track of aircraft and pilots.

Wasn't in the Air Guide until yesterday.
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Bo Rearguard wrote: Sat Jul 05, 2025 7:23 pm I'm assuming you're referring to this. Red Leader standing by.
pilot leader.jpg
Thanks Bo, that's exactly it
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Chris21wen wrote: Sun Jul 06, 2025 7:05 am Red pilots names indicate the pilot has no aircraft to fly. It's most often seen and applied to leaders who can fly as they seem to be the ones selected if the group is short of aircraft. If there's any reserve aircraft available there will be used. Not sure it's entirely consistent or important as there are other and better ways of keeping track of aircraft and pilots.
Wasn't in the Air Guide until yesterday.
Hi,
definitely not this Chris, as there are 10 other pilot's in the group without aircraft - 25 planes & 36 pilots in the group, I was looking at. The US liked to do things big, the next nearest I can find is the Aussies with 18 planes & 24 pilots in no.21 Sqn, 224 Group, defending Koepang rather than training as well.

Thanks for all the help

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Bo Rearguard wrote: Sat Jul 05, 2025 7:23 pm
dpt182 wrote: Sat Jul 05, 2025 6:47 pm sorry I can't work out how to take a screen shot, but the air war guide is extremely helpful.
I'm assuming you're referring to this. Red Leader standing by.


pilot leader.jpg
Every other pilot can be removed from the unit except for the red ones. But there is a work around for that so they can be removed.
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Another question if I may.

I have fragmented the Dutch Comandante Marin, the main body is still at Soerajaba, with small elements containing 10 & 11 naval support at Waingapoe & Koepang, I can't see a command radius on the fragments.
Do the fragments still function as a Naval HQ?

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I doubt the fragments do. Only the Commander commands.
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dpt182 wrote: Sun Jul 06, 2025 3:08 pm
Chris21wen wrote: Sun Jul 06, 2025 7:05 am Red pilots names indicate the pilot has no aircraft to fly. It's most often seen and applied to leaders who can fly as they seem to be the ones selected if the group is short of aircraft. If there's any reserve aircraft available there will be used. Not sure it's entirely consistent or important as there are other and better ways of keeping track of aircraft and pilots.
Wasn't in the Air Guide until yesterday.
Hi,
definitely not this Chris, as there are 10 other pilot's in the group without aircraft - 25 planes & 36 pilots in the group, I was looking at. The US liked to do things big, the next nearest I can find is the Aussies with 18 planes & 24 pilots in no.21 Sqn, 224 Group, defending Koepang rather than training as well.

Thanks for all the help

David
I did say there were some inconsistances with this and Joe does have the answer, not the manual. It obviouly been changed at sometime and never been updated. There is nothing in the manual about retaining pilots let alone about their name being in red. According to the change log, retaining pilots was introduced way back in 2012.
Every other pilot can be removed from the unit except for the red ones. But there is a work around for that so they can be removed.
If you click on the retain option for the pilot, his name will turn red. Flying leader are always retained and can only be removed by changing him as a leader.

Heres what the manual currently says. Extract taken from page 154 of the new manual.

'Colors may be used on this screen to denote significant changes in the status of pilots. If a pilot’s name is in yellow, this
indicates his Overall EXP is above 80 and is eligible to transfer to the Training Command. White indicates he is currently
assigned a plane and is ready to fly. Black indicates he is removed from flight duty due to excessive fatigue or a shortage
of aircraft. Red means this pilot’s aircraft is being repaired and is not usable. The pilot may be given a new aircraft if one
is available due to pilot loss or additional planes.
A Green Sub skill means this value has increased since the start of the
month. Skills improve relatively easily at low values, but it is harder to gain a skill level at higher values.'

To answer the numbers question this only applies to the normal complement, not the reserves as reserves don't fly missions. Normal comlement is 25, the extra 9 are available to fly if any of the other 25 pilots can't. The AI chooses.
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Chris21wen wrote: Mon Jul 07, 2025 7:47 am To answer the numbers question this only applies to the normal complement, not the reserves as reserves don't fly missions. Normal comlement is 25, the extra 9 are available to fly if any of the other 25 pilots can't. The AI chooses.
Hi Chris,
just want to say thank you very much for all the help/advice.

Much appreciated wish I'd found these threads sooner. (now I need to decide whether to start a new game or start amending my current one)

Regards

David
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