Will it be better than Combat Mission

[junk2drive]

That old demo is way out of date. Even PCK is hard for us to play now. Don't let it turn you off.

We are trying to get the PCO demo out before we finalize, hopefully soon.

[Jacko]

Okay, I won't bother then, but wait for the new demo. Thanks.

[junk2drive]

If you want to just for kicks, go ahead. Just don't judge the game by the OWS demo.

[CheerfullyInsane]

ORIGINAL: junk2drive

Since CM:BN has been announced we might as well discuss it. We don't know what will be over there until it's out. I can tell you what we have over here.
Traditional WEGO gameplay
Optional 40:40 or 60 second turns
Serial number activation offline
Automated MP file sharing using outside file share of your choice
Low system requirements
Flamethrowers
Aircraft
Off board assets and air stats in end game screen
Lots of East Front units
Open modding using freeware and low cost software
Full editing tools
Matrix community and support
2 Steves
Tank Riders

We don't have
Deformable terrain
High end graphics
Real time with forced pause for WEGO
Action spots
Building/Bridge damage and destruction
Stars and moon
TCP/IP but with automatic online file sharing it is just about as fast
Anti Air units
Flames (on the ground or started by FTs or explosions)

Does that signify the same MP system (or something like it) as used in Field of Glory and War in the East?!
If so, kudos and praise be to (insert deity of choice here)!
Because that system is simply briliant.
(I'd like to say it f**king rules, but I'm really too old for that sort of colloquialism) [:D]

Lars

[junk2drive]

It is similar. I have BBC BA and I really like how it works. They only difference is that Matrix didn't have a server system like Slitherine's when this was done and the choice of any file share system seemed better than being tied to a company server in the future.

I wonder if you get banned from a forum will you be able to connect to the MP servers? Of course if you are a cheat you will be blocked from those servers.

[eniced73]

First - You guys are dead on pertaining to the comments of the ease of working with the Matrix crew. They listen. I am working with the beta team and almost everything thrown at them is either implemented in another build or taken into consideration for the next game engine. Kudos.

I am happy to have discovered Panzer Command: Ostfront yesterday.
As a big fan of the CM1x series (especially BB) i was thrilled by the announcement of the Normandy addition - thrilled until I revisited battlefronts forums that is, I was considering to registrer but as I saw how the other WEGO-people got treated by the staff and beta-fanboys i opted not to.

Zdar is right on here. I dont want to turn this into a bashing thread but I recently (within the last week) tried to have a civilized discussion on a CMBN thread and it turned into a circus. Not only did one so called 'fanboy' try to tell me my opinion was wrong but another that actually had a 'rank' also joined the fray. How can I stack up against that? I decided to leave the discussion in a civilized manner eventhough 95% fo the posters on that thread agreed with me). Not sure how all those heads fit in one room? Bottom line is if you want to discuss this game and shoot off some of your opinions on what should be included you are at the right place. Sorry if that was bad form but I still had some things pent up that I did not want to vent elsewhere.

One thing you guys should understand is that this is a mega update and not a new engine. I sort of entered into it thinking 'why didn't they do this or redo that' until I played it and realized it is a patch. But let me tell you from the original game up to what they have now is impressive. I am not going to list it all but I am sure one of them already posted the addition list somewhere. I really did not care for the orders system compared to the CM games but with a little tweaking of the .xml files you can get around this. I believe this is going to change in PC4 though! Also the simplicity of modding the game is great. I have very limited knowledge with modding programs such as 'fragmotion' and was able to mess around and tweak some things that I wanted to. An experienced person could have a field day with this. Lastly I got to mention the map creator / editor. Very nice. I was able to mess around and import a height map of my hometown and put together a simple map in no time.

As you who have played this before know the graphics are not as nice as the pics CMBN is showing but the additional material and tweaks make up for that.

I play all the CM games, the TOW series, SPWAW, and PC series. I also frequently visit the BF forum, WEBOB, WAW, and this site.

[Enigma6584]

ORIGINAL: eniced73

I am happy to have discovered Panzer Command: Ostfront yesterday.
As a big fan of the CM1x series (especially BB) i was thrilled by the announcement of the Normandy addition - thrilled until I revisited battlefronts forums that is, I was considering to registrer but as I saw how the other WEGO-people got treated by the staff and beta-fanboys i opted not to.

Zdar is right on here. I dont want to turn this into a bashing thread but I recently (within the last week) tried to have a civilized discussion on a CMBN thread and it turned into a circus. Not only did one so called 'fanboy' try to tell me my opinion was wrong but another that actually had a 'rank' also joined the fray. How can I stack up against that? I decided to leave the discussion in a civilized manner eventhough 95% fo the posters on that thread agreed with me). Not sure how all those heads fit in one room? Bottom line is if you want to discuss this game and shoot off some of your opinions on what should be included you are at the right place. Sorry if that was bad form but I still had some things pent up that I did not want to vent elsewhere.

Don't want to turn it into a bashing thread huh...[:-] Instead of bad mouthing the developers and forum members over at BF in here, why don't you post the link to the thread where you say you were ganged up on. That way the rest of us can read it over and decide for ourselves whether you've got some credibility or whether your full of it.

[eniced73]

RC - you are somewhat right. I did not need to dump my garbage from one forum to another. Not worth it to mention here just search the name.

Just wanted to make the point that the people here running the show are top notch.[&o] I went about expressing this the wrong way. My apologies to you guys.

[Mad Russian]

ORIGINAL: Jacko

Well, I would prefer at least several infantry companies and a tank company for each side, apart from reinforcements. And what about the map size, Junk, is the capability of one's pc also the limit?

There is a 5000 point maximum. A Veteran Panther G Late costs 100 points. A 1945 Veteran PG Squad costs 14. So take the number of units you can put on the map from there.

Good Hunting.

MR

[Jacko]

Not bad, not bad at all. Personally I like company sized battles best. I hope you will make some for this game too, Mad Russian, like you did for CMBB. KC Lt.Neumeyer is still my all time favorite.

I really hope this game will attract some talented modders, who can add a HUGE variety of vehicles in the years to come. Personally I would like to have all of these...[:)]

http://ww2drawings.jexiste.fr/Files/1-V ... -Armor.htm

But seriously, I'm very impressed people can make their own vehicles for this game. If I recall how CMBO and CMBB looked at the beginning I foresee a great future for PCO.

[junk2drive]

We really don't want to mud sling over here against any company or their products and policies.

I felt the need to defend eniced73 though with this post from their forums

British Tommy

Originally Posted by Melnibone
Is is my imagination, or do some beta testers insist on making unhelpful snarky posts on every thread. Over defensive beta testers will not make this a great place to be. They were very culpable in destroying the early CMSF forums IMHO. Reading a few threads today I can see the same shaping up here. Nice job.

Good to see other people have noticed this. Hopefully more people can post here without being jumped on.

[JMass]

ORIGINAL: Jacko

The fact that it can be easily modded is also very attractive. The vehicles (for instance the Pz IV and the Marder-series) and the infantry don't look great, I hope that will be solved by modders soon.

I am working to improve the Pzkpfw IV serie, I'll release it as a mod after the release of Ostfront, probably.

[Jacko]

Good to hear, JMass, the Pz IV series do need some extra attention. Could you show some of your progress perhaps?

P.s. every forum has it's own thugs,including the BF forum. But there are (mainly) great, dedicated people there, who know a lot. And BF has made and still makes some of the best wargames in the world. There is room enough for both games. Let's stop comparing games, forums or whatever.

[Enigma6584]

ORIGINAL: junk2drive

We really don't want to mud sling over here against any company or their products and policies.

I felt the need to defend eniced73 though with this post from their forums

British Tommy

Originally Posted by Melnibone
Is is my imagination, or do some beta testers insist on making unhelpful snarky posts on every thread. Over defensive beta testers will not make this a great place to be. They were very culpable in destroying the early CMSF forums IMHO. Reading a few threads today I can see the same shaping up here. Nice job.

Good to see other people have noticed this. Hopefully more people can post here without being jumped on.

Then you should have posted the link to the entire thread. Two guys (and their two posts) out of a thread of 5 pages of people discussing the game and you quote this? You quote it in order to imply that the BF forums are not as nice as over here. That is an iaccurate picture. That is mudslinging in my book. That is bullshit. Everyone else in the thread ignore these guys (and their two posts arguing with one another) and go on to discuss the issue, without name calling. One post even tells these guys to grow up. You don't need to bring this up anymore. eniced73 can defend himself and he showed himself to be an stand-up guy with his last post. I can't say the same for you.

For everybody elses reference, here is the thread in question. The Thread

I'm done with this.

[HintJ]

--edit, oh now I DID read it. Big deal

Someone baiting MikeyD--only the biggest CMSF fanboy ever--I love his mods, though.

Wow, this is so f*ckng stupid about people loving/hating one game or the other.

If you can't afford both, the you don't need to be playing games in the first place! Wouldn't it be great if both PC and CM succeeded? Maybe the average idiot on the street might get a decent game on his PS3 or X360?

[Stridor]

+1

We *want* CM to do well as it increase the size of the community. Which is good for both of us.

The customer wants both PCO *and* CM to do well as it increases competition.

Look at it this way, it will take a bit for PC to go western and probably a bit for CM to go eastern, so if you have a hankering for either you are covered.

If only one existed then you would be out of luck.

Not to mention that they are quite different playing game systems.

S.

[Mobius]

Gamesquad does have a CM forum which is more neutral ground than BFC or Matrix forums.

[Ron]

ORIGINAL: junk2drive

We really don't want to mud sling over here against any company or their products and policies.

I felt the need to defend eniced73 though with this post from their forums

British Tommy

Originally Posted by Melnibone
Is is my imagination, or do some beta testers insist on making unhelpful snarky posts on every thread. Over defensive beta testers will not make this a great place to be. They were very culpable in destroying the early CMSF forums IMHO. Reading a few threads today I can see the same shaping up here. Nice job.

Good to see other people have noticed this. Hopefully more people can post here without being jumped on.

Get real, why are you trolling?? As linked by RedCharlie65, your 'selective' quotes have nothing to do with eniced73 and the thread he participated in, which can be found here: Thickness and penetration data

[Ron]

ORIGINAL: Mobius

Gamesquad does have a CM forum which is more neutral ground than BFC or Matrix forums.

Now that is downright hilarious, and in the same vein watch Fox news for balanced reporting....

[junk2drive]

OK, sorry. I didn't think it would be taken this way. I should have left it alone.