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RE: T8 soviet

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Being soldier in Beender's leading divisions for sure is no pleasant experience, first driven to full exhaustion, then starving 100 miles away from friendly lines with cossacks blocking the retreat. You get 10/10 in the category "daring raid" [&o]
You can also see the green eared panzer corps full of fuel is swapping out to re-fuel than tanks.
The colour of the fuel soft factor triangle of a HQ has NOTHING to do with its stocks. A HQ that is green fuel wise can have stored 0 or 1000 fuel dumps.
Swapping motorised units between HQ because of stocks is a tactic to some degree, but the cases where you can build significant stocks in HQs are rare, at least if everything is working as intended by morvael.
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RE: T8 soviet

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HLYA- I dont think im real lucky and yes in our current turn he is across at Kerch and on the way to Novorossky...will see if he takes it but with the lack of skill my troops apparently have i dont have high hopes my men will hold out lol.

The southern front is just frankly to much of a secondary front to send elite units to this early in the game and the new units which basically dont gain experience short of being wiped out are about pointless roadblocks to throw at the germans- basically they are only good to bleed off MP.

Its one reason I strongly feel something needs to be done to slow the germans rolls across the south...is pretty ridiculously ahead of historical IMO...even at Moscow German supply seems abit to good to quickly. Im sure Beender is pulling alot of tricks to milk the supply for all its worth as well which is a hats off to his logistics management.

EWK- Daring raid or no.....its because the soviets are so pathetic you virtually have nothing to fear as a German player once you pull off the super lvov. There arent enough soviet units of any skill to challenge you and you can just hasty attack them out of the way. The experience drop to 1 per turn was a huge dis-service to soviet players...as even units sitting around training for a month or two get no appreciable skill increase to increase CV. An its not like a move from 1 or less CV to 2 or less CV is exactly massive as is.........it just means the germans might actually have to attack once in awhile instead of hasty attack everything esp in the south.....also maybe im wrong on the HQ swaps as I dont get the full picture just what my recon shows me lol.
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RE: T8 soviet

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HLYA- I dont think im real lucky and yes in our current turn he is across at Kerch and on the way to Novorossky...will see if he takes it but with the lack of skill my troops apparently have i dont have high hopes my men will hold out lol.

The southern front is just frankly to much of a secondary front to send elite units to this early in the game and the new units which basically dont gain experience short of being wiped out are about pointless roadblocks to throw at the germans- basically they are only good to bleed off MP.

Its one reason I strongly feel something needs to be done to slow the germans rolls across the south...is pretty ridiculously ahead of historical IMO...even at Moscow German supply seems abit to good to quickly. Im sure Beender is pulling alot of tricks to milk the supply for all its worth as well which is a hats off to his logistics management.

EWK- Daring raid or no.....its because the soviets are so pathetic you virtually have nothing to fear as a German player once you pull off the super lvov. There arent enough soviet units of any skill to challenge you and you can just hasty attack them out of the way. The experience drop to 1 per turn was a huge dis-service to soviet players...as even units sitting around training for a month or two get no appreciable skill increase to increase CV. An its not like a move from 1 or less CV to 2 or less CV is exactly massive as is.........it just means the germans might actually have to attack once in awhile instead of hasty attack everything esp in the south.....also maybe im wrong on the HQ swaps as I dont get the full picture just what my recon shows me lol.
Ya, Novorossky should be held if at all possible.
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RE: T8 soviet

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The good note is that the Germans have committed a PZ & Moto to this. IMO this is great for the Soviets, very bad for the Germans. The supply past Kerch is extremely difficult unless you can link up through Rostov & normally there just isn't enough time in 41. After going across Kerch you "HAVE" to take Novorossky as the Germans otherwise in my opinion the Crimea is a waste of Panzer/Moto forces. But that is just me.

If I remember right I sent two panzers and one mot to Crimea. I needed two mobile division to clear the way and the third one to storm the fort. Passing Kerch wasn't the goal. Kerch itself was because I thought that was necessary for ports east of it to function. Still, it's a mistake because later I discovered all the other ports in south were too small to recover in time.
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RE: T8 soviet

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Being soldier in Beender's leading divisions for sure is no pleasant experience, first driven to full exhaustion, then starving 100 miles away from friendly lines with cossacks blocking the retreat. You get 10/10 in the category "daring raid".

At least nowadays I don't leave those isolated behind and actually try to rescue them the next turn, if it's not too much trouble[:D]

These turns I do have a brave panzer facing several soviet armies alone. I happened to take a pic because it kinda illustrated the way I use them.



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RE: T8 soviet

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Being soldier in Beender's leading divisions for sure is no pleasant experience, first driven to full exhaustion, then starving 100 miles away from friendly lines with cossacks blocking the retreat. You get 10/10 in the category "daring raid".

At least nowadays I don't leave those isolated behind and actually try to rescue them the next turn, if it's not too much trouble[:D]

These turns I do have a brave panzer facing several soviet armies alone. I happened to take a pic because it kinda illustrated the way I use them.



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So you just used it to cut the rail line. My question is what do you intend to do here in the North? Looks like the Soviet army is in retreat and playing in terrain is to the Soviet advantage. Going any further is going to be a slugfest but I will stand by to see you capture some more trees up here and do a rescue of the PZ division ;-)
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The good note is that the Germans have committed a PZ & Moto to this. IMO this is great for the Soviets, very bad for the Germans. The supply past Kerch is extremely difficult unless you can link up through Rostov & normally there just isn't enough time in 41. After going across Kerch you "HAVE" to take Novorossky as the Germans otherwise in my opinion the Crimea is a waste of Panzer/Moto forces. But that is just me.

If I remember right I sent two panzers and one mot to Crimea. I needed two mobile division to clear the way and the third one to storm the fort. Passing Kerch wasn't the goal. Kerch itself was because I thought that was necessary for ports east of it to function. Still, it's a mistake because later I discovered all the other ports in south were too small to recover in time.


You need the big ports and need them fast :-)
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RE: T8 soviet

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How does Kerch work as a port? Can it link together the Black Sea and Sea of Azov zones without being on the rail net? Even if it does am I right in thinking that the German's available shipping in the Azov zone will be limited to what can be projected out of that size 3 port only?

I think this game could get pretty wild in the snow/blizzard turns - looking forward to it :)
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RE: T8 soviet

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@HardLuckYetAgain

That pic is from T13 and now the panzer is relatively safe. The mighty 30th Infantry has just arrived to its south. Soviet army were in a hurry to march rather than destroy some annoying German tanks.

What is happening is pretty much what I intended to do, as secondary objective. First one was of course to cut off all of them if soviet did not evacuate the Leningrad area. Now that they are retreating, I am content with making them take the detour and not join Moscow theater in time.

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I don't know why but I have this firm impression that if I am to use any ports east of Kerch, such as Azov, I have to take and hold Kerch itself. Does this rule really exist? Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong.
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@HardLuckYetAgain

That pic is from T13 and now the panzer is relatively safe. The mighty 30th Infantry has just arrived to its south. Soviet army were in a hurry to march rather than destroy some annoying German tanks.

What is happening is pretty much what I intended to do, as secondary objective. First one was of course to cut off all of them if soviet did not evacuate the Leningrad area. Now that they are retreating, I am content with making them take the detour and not join Moscow theater in time.

@Sammy5IsAlive

I don't know why but I have this firm impression that if I am to use any ports east of Kerch, such as Azov, I have to take and hold Kerch itself. Does this rule really exist? Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong.

So you are experienced more than the novice level you keep posting in the game?????? Your English is really good. How long did you study? You still in Tokyo?...
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RE: T8 soviet

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What did I say to give you that impression? I am certainly not the most experienced after several months into this six-year-old game. But I am certainly not a novice anymore since I have played so many hours lol. I never intend to hide or mislead anyone on this.

I spent a few years in the US before moving to Osaka. So not Tokyo, but close.[:'(]
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What did I say to give you that impression? I am certainly not the most experienced after several months into this six-year-old game. But I am certainly not a novice anymore since I have played so many hours lol. I never intend to hide or mislead anyone on this.

I spent a few years in the US before moving to Osaka. So not Tokyo, but close.[:'(]

Huh? I read in my AAR that you just began. Yet you seem to have gotten good quick.

Oh, in Osaka. I thought I read you were in Tokyo. Going to have to dig up that email and check my sanity ;-) Yes I do know the geography there.
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How does Kerch work as a port? Can it link together the Black Sea and Sea of Azov zones without being on the rail net? Even if it does am I right in thinking that the German's available shipping in the Azov zone will be limited to what can be projected out of that size 3 port only?

Yes - although it is in effect considered as two ports in the two different sea zones. Even if Axis captures Azov ports such as Kerch or more commonly on the north coast though they never have shipping there.
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T9 soviet

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North--still attempting to delay the move around the lake. You may be asking why I didnt destroy that motorized division--- because in 1 turn it managed to build a lvl 1 fort and was showing fully supplied with 45 CV......Is no way I can amass enough CV to push 45 CV even with every division up there and I wouldnt be able to use most them due to needing 16 MP to attack.

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RE: T9 soviet

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Center- well not looking good but at least I have enough worthless units to start working on a moscow defense line - BTW they dig very slowly lol..I do manage to slow him some by 2 counterattacks opening his pocket and in turn cutting off his panzers

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South--nothing good here the raid forces are lost but I had to buy time as the Germans are moving so fast the Soviets really cannot move out industry fast enough.

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Crimea---he gets ready to mop up my forces there. Since they are now finally cut off. He had taken the port the turn before but a newly spawned full naval BDE walks into it...will at least slow his supply some. I will say lesson here is never defend the crimea...defend the bottleneck to kerch and the port only you have no chance doing what was historically done the way the game plays.

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T10 soviet

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North- playing risky but I must hold leningrad as long as possible. Is just what it is.---his motorized division in leningrad decides to drive away linking up with another motorized division...I manage to rout one and push the other back across the river. The rout isnt really all that good tho as it immediately gets fully refuled from being sent back close to the rail line.....

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Center- going to lose 2 division but at least they caused a slight delay to the germans overall.

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RE: T10 soviet

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South- basically its run time, I got most of the industry out of stalino--but as you can see kharkov and rostov are both also under threat..and well moscow not to far behind...at leningrad Im just going to lose the industry period as the raid cut the rail and the soviets dont really fix rail until winter for some reason....might be a good game change to all rail engineers by the soviets to be sent out so raids arent so devastating to industry evac....just a thought....the soviet player can always send them back to stavka if they dont want to fix the line.

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