Protectorate Problems

[Mr. Z]

ORIGINAL: jimwinsor

Yeah; there definitely was still some association still with Bavaria the province and Bavaria the country, as shown by the fact that the little Bavarian flag was superimposed over the Austrian one in that province after I conquered it initially.

Alright, this just in: when you conquer a province belonging to an independent country, you do annex it--but it *remembers* what country it previously belonged to. That's why you see the flag. This is intended behavior. So, that's not the bug--but it might be a bug that a) military units produced in the province teleport out of it and b) that when you convert a conquered country into a protectorate, not all the provinces become a part of the protectorate.

[Mr. Z]

Eric: please, for the love of God, drop everything and FIX THE MINOR COUNTRIES, please please please please!!!

Next on the list after TCP/IP issues!

I re-declare war on Denmark and take Jutland. However, Jutland turns stripey because I'm chasing the Danish capital and obviously Jutland isn't it.

Actually...it doesn't have to do with the capital. If a province becomes striped, that means it's occupied--that is, you have unopposed troops in it. But you don't conquer it until you have successfully besieged the capital city.

Ok, so I besiege Holstein. After EIGHTEEN MONTHS I take it

Correct: it is French, and you occupy it. (Also wanted to add: remember that there is a siege threshold in terms of the size of your army. No siege will happen unless your army is larger than this threshold, and the siege will go faster and better the bigger the army. Also remember that you can control the kind of siege it is from the unit control box.)

but whoa, what's this? Holstein, Trondheim, and Norway turn French (although occupied by me)....I'm now at war with France. No declaration, nothing in the log about Denmark becoming a French protectorate, nothing. Just a nice new war. Which I can't hope to prosecute, Paris being very far away.

Norway looks Russian, not French! Trondheim looks French. I can't see Holstein, so I can't tell. It's possible that Cede Province still thought they were Russian, and so Russia may have ceded Norway to France. That might also explain the status of Trondheim and Holstein. I suspect this is the known Cede Province bug, but Eric might be able to check this to make sure.

So now I have Zealand as 100% Swedish, Jutland as Danish (yet stripey - conquered by me),

If Jutland is Danish, then I would say that is the current location of the capital province of Denmark. You have not conquered it; you only occupy it. Need to besiege the city to conquer it.

and the remaining 3 provinces French.

Well, apparently at least one of them Russian, I would say, but ok.

To top it all off, if I had taken Zealand before the Russians intervened, ALL OF DENMARK would have become mine in one turn as soon as Zealand fell.

I think so, but to be honest I'm not completely sure what the current rules are on this...

once I kicked the Russians ass and made them liberate the four Danish provinces, I now had to chase the Danish capital around, which took YEARS. In all of the Napoleonic era there were like two epic sieges, and none of them took longer than a couple of months.

One of which was Copenhagen! (admittedly from the sea...and arguably not a siege). I agree you should be able to easily tell where the capital is. Not sure how you can do this right now, but there might be a way...

I reload from a save and go through all the sieging again. Amazingly enough, this time when I take Holstein the remaining Danish provinces don't turn French. Wheee! But what's this? Jutland is still a Swedish occupied Danish province....Denmark has no other provinces anywhere and I can't conquer them. All their provinces but Jutland are 100% Swedish and I'm still at war with Denmark and will be forever. Sigh.

Looks like Denmark has moved to Jutland...just besiege the city in Jutland, and you'll have all of it, I promise! (The question is, however: why did Denmark move to Jutland? This admittedly might be a small bug--the "move capital" code might be resolving before the "conquer all of the country" code.)

Edit: I don't want to sound mean or pushy, but I am exasperated. I bought CoG on July 5th, which is going on six months, and the silly minor countries have been broken since day one.

But these are the changes people requested--originally it was much simpler: when you got a country, you got the whole thing, period, regardless of what parts were occupied. And then the only option was to Liberate...

They are the single biggest game killer in the system.

That's because you're not playing TCP/IP [:)]

Again, we absolutely promise we will turn our attention to this just as soon as TCP/IP is resolved to our satisfaction.

[jimwinsor]

ORIGINAL: Mr. Z

ORIGINAL: jimwinsor

Yeah; there definitely was still some association still with Bavaria the province and Bavaria the country, as shown by the fact that the little Bavarian flag was superimposed over the Austrian one in that province after I conquered it initially.

Alright, this just in: when you conquer a province belonging to an independent country, you do annex it--but it *remembers* what country it previously belonged to. That's why you see the flag. This is intended behavior. So, that's not the bug--but it might be a bug that a) military units produced in the province teleport out of it and b) that when you convert a conquered country into a protectorate, not all the provinces become a part of the protectorate.

Just a quick update: I managed to diplomatically woo Bavaria-in-Nuremburg, and when I agreed to become their Protector...Bavaria the province automatically changed from solid Austrian conquered color to striped Austrian protectorate color...thus it is now unambiguously part of Bavaria (though with Nuremburg as the capital, I would imagine). Which I assume is a working-as-designed kind of situation...so this is good! And I got the 3 corps and 4 cavalry I built back (although as loyal Bavarian-flagged protectorate units...which is good enough for me!). )