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[kool_kat]

ORIGINAL: Deputy

Not everyone does PEM.

And? [&:]

Players may play against the AI running version 1.04 too.

In fact, the majority of players, who participated in the MCS poll, stated they are running on 1.04.

It would be safe to assume that these players are both playing against the AI and human via PBeM.

[Deputy]

ORIGINAL: MrRoadrunner

ORIGINAL: Deputy
Not everyone does PEM.

Matrix JTCS version 1.04 has been the hands down winner of the poll. The poll dropped off the first page and I bumped it up in case others have not seen it.

If you look at the poll, 25 are for version 1.04 and 2 are for an unsupported version that helps them play versus the AI.

You are correct. Not everyone plays versus human. But, 25 to 2 use version 1.04.

If I may say it, the great majority of players (who participated in the poll) are for the updated version. I cannot say how many PBEM, that is their business to state. But, I believe PBEM is the best way to play the game.

Drive the Model T because you like the way it was built, or the color choice was black. That is up to you?
Spamming the forum because you have a specific gripe, that others seemed to have worked around, simply gets more an more wearing.

I wish you luck against the AI in your new game. [:)]


RR

Geee...a whole 27 people. And 1.04 has been more readily available than 1.02B for a very long time. If I were Matrix I would be more worried about only 27 people responding. That is a bigger worry than who plays what. 27 people waiting for a patch that has been promised for what...years? For sure many months. This patch better be the second coming of the guy that's birthday isn't far away. I don't see another patch for the CS coming again.

[Deputy]

ORIGINAL: mwest

ORIGINAL: Deputy

Not everyone does PEM.

And? [&:]

Players may play against the AI running version 1.04 too.

SURE!!! If you want to suspend reality and have tank-killing 50MM mortars and stacks of 3 platoons of T-34 tanks in one clear hex that remain invisible until you drive into them. Makes for awesome realism. [8|]

[kool_kat]

ORIGINAL: Deputy

Geee...a whole 27 people. And 1.04 has been more readily available than 1.02B for a very long time. If I were Matrix I would be more worried about only 27 people responding. That is a bigger worry than who plays what. 27 people waiting for a patch that has been promised for what...years? For sure many months. This patch better be the second coming of the guy that's birthday isn't far away. I don't see another patch for the CS coming again.

You realize that players responding to a JTCS poll on a Matrix forum are only a sub-set of the total world-wide number of players who have purchased and play JTCS? [&:]

Perhaps most JTCS players would rather play the game than post to forums? [&:]

Why would Matrix Games be concerned about a patch version response rate... of players who already have purchased JTCS? Matrix already has their money? I would think that Matrix would be more attentive to the world-wide sales numbers of NEW JTCS purchases?

[MrRoadrunner]

ORIGINAL: Deputy
If you want to suspend reality and have tank-killing 50MM mortars and stacks of 3 platoons of T-34 tanks in one clear hex that remain invisible until you drive into them. Makes for awesome realism. [8|]

So, realism is playing mostly the Germans against the AI?
You've got to be kidding?

You have turned into Mr. Negative. You should keep your version 1.02b and mod away. Stop spamming the forums and have a great time communicating with "Hal".

If that is your challenge and your future then go for it. I believe that we will see upgrades in the new version 1.05 that will help in some of the areas that you constantly bitch about. I also believe that a devolution to version 1.02b is a foolish direction to take.

He who wants realism in a game is not thinking realistically? [:D]

I play for the fun and the challenge. I find that playing against unpredictable human beings, to be fun and challenging.
You enjoy the thrill of beating a computer against whom most players, who play versus humans, believe is simply "stupid" and predictable.

It's now 26 to 2. Still not good odds for those who want to play an unsupported game and yet post more than those who do not? You raise the number level of your posts and not the qualitative level of your argument?
I think it was Stalin who believed that quantity was a quality in itself? [;)]

You mentioned Matrix not making a profit and carrying CS for "what reason" I do not know. Who are you? You are not as profitable as Matrix or you would buy the game yourself and run it back to a game version that the greater majority do not want to play? How will that help your personal future profits?

Oops! Why think logically or think that you might find logic logical? [X(]

Have a Merry Christmas!

RR

[marcbarker]

Dang just give the funibility factor for the game. The person wants to know is it a good game to play and that answer is a resounding yes...so cut the guy a break and take it to the general discussion forum...create a new thread just for this. That would be the best idea

[MrRoadrunner]

Huh? You don't want to see Deputy fumble around to find another excuse to knock what Jason and crew have done? [X(]

He and you have more threads and posts on that already, both here and in the General Discussion area? [:)]

RR

[marcbarker]

posting off topic view in the gripe thread

[AstroBlues]

I did not look to see what version I got with he download. I immediately put in the 1.04 patch. I have been playing the Western Front boot camp 1 scenario where the Americans have to take a German machinegun nest out. After 4 failed attempts, I am going to try again. The German machingun just chews my infantry to pieces. I have a mortar, except I never have used smoke yet, so I am about to give it a try.

[Ashcloud]

Move you infantry up close and get your mortar so they can hit the machinegun nest with direct fire. Disrupt and then assault. Keep trying it get easier, read the manual.

[Deputy]

ORIGINAL: mwest

ORIGINAL: Deputy

Geee...a whole 27 people. And 1.04 has been more readily available than 1.02B for a very long time. If I were Matrix I would be more worried about only 27 people responding. That is a bigger worry than who plays what. 27 people waiting for a patch that has been promised for what...years? For sure many months. This patch better be the second coming of the guy that's birthday isn't far away. I don't see another patch for the CS coming again.

You realize that players responding to a JTCS poll on a Matrix forum are only a sub-set of the total world-wide number of players who have purchased and play JTCS? [&:]

Perhaps most JTCS players would rather play the game than post to forums? [&:]

Why would Matrix Games be concerned about a patch version response rate... of players who already have purchased JTCS? Matrix already has their money? I would think that Matrix would be more attentive to the world-wide sales numbers of NEW JTCS purchases?

Well that's a nice pipe dream, but Matrix IS the location where patches are released. And it IS the location where people go to find out about the game. But if you want to believe that there is a "Matrix Underground" that exists at the North Pole along with Santa Claus, knock yourself out.

Since most folks agree that a patch is badly needed AGAIN to correct what the last patch screwed up, and since those who have already purchased CS from Matrix are the few existing customers Matrix will depend on for future purchases, it would be logical to believe Matrix would make every effort to satisfy current and probable future customers. Especially since they are touting this new Modern Wars release.

[Deputy]

ORIGINAL: MrRoadrunner

ORIGINAL: Deputy
If you want to suspend reality and have tank-killing 50MM mortars and stacks of 3 platoons of T-34 tanks in one clear hex that remain invisible until you drive into them. Makes for awesome realism. [8|]

So, realism is playing mostly the Germans against the AI?
You've got to be kidding?

You have turned into Mr. Negative. You should keep your version 1.02b and mod away. Stop spamming the forums and have a great time communicating with "Hal".

If that is your challenge and your future then go for it. I believe that we will see upgrades in the new version 1.05 that will help in some of the areas that you constantly bitch about. I also believe that a devolution to version 1.02b is a foolish direction to take.

He who wants realism in a game is not thinking realistically? [:D]

I play for the fun and the challenge. I find that playing against unpredictable human beings, to be fun and challenging.
You enjoy the thrill of beating a computer against whom most players, who play versus humans, believe is simply "stupid" and predictable.

It's now 26 to 2. Still not good odds for those who want to play an unsupported game and yet post more than those who do not? You raise the number level of your posts and not the qualitative level of your argument?
I think it was Stalin who believed that quantity was a quality in itself? [;)]

You mentioned Matrix not making a profit and carrying CS for "what reason" I do not know. Who are you? You are not as profitable as Matrix or you would buy the game yourself and run it back to a game version that the greater majority do not want to play? How will that help your personal future profits?

Oops! Why think logically or think that you might find logic logical? [X(]

Have a Merry Christmas!

RR

Nope...realism in this game has been pretty much suspended no matter which side you choose. At least, in version 1.04.

Sorry Mr.Modwannbe...you can't control posts on this forum.

Figures you would quote Stalin. Kinda confirms what I always suspected about you.[:D]

The 1.05 patch is only a "side note" for the CS. The new MW has supersceded any priority that CS had. It's all about making $$ for Matrix.

If you want no realism and fun and challenging, then you might as well play checkers.

26 to 2 is meaningless. What matters is only 28 people even give a damn about this game. Want to compare that to ANY first person shooter? Even DOOM still has more fans than CS.

[Deputy]

ORIGINAL: Ronster

I did not look to see what version I got with he download. I immediately put in the 1.04 patch. I have been playing the Western Front boot camp 1 scenario where the Americans have to take a German machinegun nest out. After 4 failed attempts, I am going to try again. The German machingun just chews my infantry to pieces. I have a mortar, except I never have used smoke yet, so I am about to give it a try.

Move the slider all the way over to advantage Allies. It's the only way to balance out the lop-sided gameplay that exists with 1.04 vs AI.

[OttoVonBlotto]

ORIGINAL: Deputy

26 to 2 is meaningless. What matters is only 28 people even give a damn about this game. Want to compare that to ANY first person shooter? Even DOOM still has more fans than CS.

Don't you ever grow tied of the same old rubbish, why are you so fixed that only 28 people have voted on the patch thread.

Take a look at the blitz 2011 CS ladder you will notice there are over 160 different players who have played it this year this is just at one of the game clubs that promote the game.

[Erik Rutins]

Hi guys,

It is actually very true that the vast majority of owners of any of our games do not post in the forum. This is especially true for games that have been released more than a year ago.

I don't understand the point of these patch arguments or why they seem to become personal. If you prefer an older update, please feel free to stay with it, no one is stopping you. It's also fine to say that you prefer an older update. We have customers who play other games as well who may prefer one update over another. Often it's a very subjective thing and we respect that, but because it's subjective, arguing over which update is better and trying to convince the majority of a minority position in this case seems completely pointless to me. Where it becomes non-constructive is in the attempt to convince others that yours is the only correct point of view.

From the standpoint of new users, the latest update is always the best place to start. For experienced players, they can make their own choice, but I think new users should start with the latest supported update as a general rule.

Regards,

- Erik

[Crossroads]

ORIGINAL: Deputy

ORIGINAL: Ronster

I did not look to see what version I got with he download. I immediately put in the 1.04 patch. I have been playing the Western Front boot camp 1 scenario where the Americans have to take a German machinegun nest out. After 4 failed attempts, I am going to try again. The German machingun just chews my infantry to pieces. I have a mortar, except I never have used smoke yet, so I am about to give it a try.

Move the slider all the way over to advantage Allies. It's the only way to balance out the lop-sided gameplay that exists with 1.04 vs AI.

I would suggest studying the Extreme Assault rules (if that is in use) instead. I have come to really appreciate how it works out.

[Deputy]

ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

Hi guys,

It is actually very true that the vast majority of owners of any of our games do not post in the forum. This is especially true for games that have been released more than a year ago.

I don't understand the point of these patch arguments or why they seem to become personal. If you prefer an older update, please feel free to stay with it, no one is stopping you. It's also fine to say that you prefer an older update. We have customers who play other games as well who may prefer one update over another. Often it's a very subjective thing and we respect that, but because it's subjective, arguing over which update is better and trying to convince the majority of a minority position in this case seems completely pointless to me. Where it becomes non-constructive is in the attempt to convince others that yours is the only correct point of view.

From the standpoint of new users, the latest update is always the best place to start. For experienced players, they can make their own choice, but I think new users should start with the latest supported update as a general rule.

Regards,

- Erik

Works for me!!! Thanks Eric.