Naeradan wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 7:43 pm Then there is the issue of balance, which is a difficult term to use, but we can presume that is likely that scenarios now work quite differently from the way they were designed in the first place.

Yes, there is lot to relearn with the new version.

BDukes wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 7:21 pm I was talking about the community scenario set.

Yes, the Community Scenarios designers don't owe the customers anything. If they have the time to update the scens that's fine, if not that's ok as well.

BDukes wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 7:23 pm I'd shelf the worry until more than one person screams.

Yes, but there IS more than one person screaming about that

He did not say it unbalanced the scenario. He didn't bring a real scenario to demonstrate. He launched straight into a rant. Again, my point, its not about balancing/unbalancing scenarios. Its about changing tactics to align with the game. All games evolve that have been around for 10 years. Its ...

As people's understanding of the game evolves, and the game's models evolve, I think it's worthwhile to not take the lazy solution and set every old scenario to some "default," but rather critically analyze scenarios that are of interest and adjust them in ways one might suspect are smart. It ...

As people's understanding of the game evolves, and the game's models evolve, I think it's worthwhile to not take the lazy solution and set every old scenario to some "default," but rather critically analyze scenarios that are of interest and adjust them in ways one might suspect are smart. It's ...

Honestly, I think I think we all knew there were going to be data issues and post-release is the wash it would come out in.

Yup, with all those massive changes in Tiny that was inevitable. CMO is heading into a great direction, and I am sure everything will work out fine eventually, I just need ...

With NEZ, if the human player takes long shots all the way through, the human will sooner or later end up at a disadvantage of being out of missiles while the AI is fully loaded. In another thread here, I have shown exactly how that happens frequently at a max range WRA. AI Mig-23s with NEZ ...

Based on my testing the other thread, the odds of getting any kills beyond 20nm for most missiles makes it a poor tactic to try launching AAMs of your own at long range against fighters.


Yes, that's a poor tactic if you wanna get a kill, but as you know longer-range shots can be a good and ...

What I’m pointing out is that MAR changes depending on the threat, and it’s very likely that in the course of a scenario your unit will encounter different kinds of threats with different MARs.


Ah! There's the problem. That's now how that works. In real life, fighter pilots spend a lot of ...

thewood1 wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 10:22 pm Thats what I'm getting to. I saw you post looking for dev's response on roll backs. Thats sounds like you want it back to the way it used to be.

I'll never go back, I am in total love with the new version, I play around with it since the first Tiny-beta.

thewood1 wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 10:08 pm So should it have left at Max? Where there is almost no chance against a fighter?

Certainly not, and you know pretty well that I didn't imply that, you can't think I am THAT stupid I guess...

Is there any update on this from the devs or the publisher? Are you going provide the previous Stable on Steam?

As you know, player skills and knowledge won't help when we talk about how the enemy AI behaves when being set to NEZ. The enemy AI has no real ways to dynamically react to a threat when at NEZ, "except" for lua-solutions and such. To quote what you wrote earlier:


You're right, though ...

thewood1 wrote: Wed Feb 01, 2023 8:57 pm Not that I'm aware of because its only since tiny that you could efficiently do it. It has to be the scenario designer that does it.

Of course Well, we will see what the future brings scenario design-wise, a lot of cool things I guess.

NEZ at least allows dynamic changes to engagement based on a target assessment.

Yes, we, as the players, can dynamically assess that and micromanage our way through it. But the AI can't, only with the help of intricate scen design. Dimitris mentioned that all official scens including DLCs were ...

Ah... got it. You want to once again take player skill and knowledge out of the picture in favor of an imaginary superhuman "optimal" solution that makes the "best" decision in all cases.


As you know, player skills and knowledge won't help when we talk about how the enemy AI behaves when being ...

My point isn't to tit for tat the changes. But to show big changes get made to the game and this is the first time I have seen someone ask for a change that brought more real-world decision-making to be rolled back. And wasn't very level-headed about it, in his own words.


Yes, he wasn't indeed ...

thewood1 wrote: Sun Jan 29, 2023 10:11 pm Just to close up the pedantic loophole...We all who played the beta. But these types of changes happen all the time in CMO's development without a beta.

True, but the numerous changes in gameplay were drastic in Stable 1307, as drastic as never seen in any Stable before.

thewood1 wrote: Sun Jan 29, 2023 9:50 pm This particular mechanic, we all had to get used to.

"We all"? You, I and some others "got used to it" because we played the beta for a few months, but I assume that the majority of players never tried Tiny before the update came out.