<r> <QUOTE><s>[quote]</s>ORIGINAL: Paul McNeely<br/> <br/> I was looking at one of my russian rifle divisions and it has a fuel need of 3, for a week. 3000 l of fuel for a week for a division (I guess that is what 3 is...3 tonne of fuel). I just went to the Neihorster site and looked at a 41 russian...

<r> <QUOTE><s>[quote]</s> <br/> That's correct, but they hadn't access to supplies. The rule in the game is that if you can't path to a supply source in under 100 MP, you're isolated (doesn't require an actual encirclement). Bataan peninsula was not a supply source (they were low on supplies from da...

ORIGINAL: redmarkus4

Many Soviet pockets lasted much longer in real life than they do in the game.

You're playing on 'normal'?

<r> <QUOTE><s>[quote]</s>ORIGINAL: fbs<br/> <br/> Bataan lasted 92 days, or 13 game turns, with no external supplies.<br/> <e>[/quote]</e></QUOTE> <br/> The trick is not losing your supplies in the first place. In the case of Bataan good order was maintained and they retreated into a natural fort th...

<r> <QUOTE><s>[quote]</s>Now, my troops didn't fight, they are just waiting in the trenches<e>[/quote]</e></QUOTE> <br/> The problem is the Germans fight dirty, penetrate the front in narrow sectors and attack your trenches from the rear. Other lines that don't see any Germans are ordered to pull ba...

<r> <QUOTE><s>[quote]</s> However, historical research indicates the german/romanian fuel industry was enough for war purposes until mid-1944, which is correctly modeled in the game.<br/> => "My" blown-up Tiger simply didn't get access to fuel storage due to supply limitations, not bc fuel (half of ...

<r> <QUOTE><s>[quote]</s> Plus there should be a cost for flight schools (which wasn't small) and flight training in the national reserve. <e>[/quote]</e></QUOTE> <br/> I notice in this game playing Soviets that there's nothing less than experience 34 in the national reserve pilot pool. It seems pil...

<r> <QUOTE><s>[quote]</s>The German oil production never even came close to equalling their demand. Ever. <e>[/quote]</e></QUOTE> <br/> Well according to the lead article the military demand was 12 million t in 1941 with 9 million t of production.<br/> 1943 was the highest year of production with 10...

<r> <QUOTE><s>[quote]</s>But the Panther was a response to combat on the eastern front. How can the Germans get it before that battle starts? <e>[/quote]</e></QUOTE> <br/> The real issue where characteristics the T34 had that were useful. Sloped armor, wide tracks with large road wheels and a long, ...

<r> <QUOTE><s>[quote]</s>ORIGINAL: randallw<br/> <br/> I'm guessing industry and oil do have an impact on the game, for the Axis side. [:'(] <e>[/quote]</e></QUOTE> <br/> No, they tend to have a nice healthy surplus of fuel production as with the soviets.<br/> <br/> Checking the 1943 scenario the Ge...

<r> <QUOTE><s>[quote]</s>My fuel stockpile is: 3 600K or 3.6M or 3,600,000 fuel (this isn't a typo)<br/> My fuel production is: 44.7K per turn<br/> My oil stockpile is: 120K<br/> My fuel in units is: 110K<br/> My fuel dumps in HQ is 22K<br/> <br/> I don't know what my fuel use is but realistically i...

<t> Looks like the biggest killer for Germany in the what if's was the fighter planes. But it wouldn't have mattered so much which one. What killed Germany was loss of air supremacy, but it was because of a shortage of trained fighter pilots to meet increasing demand later in the war.<br/> Early in ...

Maybe this off topic argument about battle tactics can be re-erected in its own thread. Because although interesting, it so far has nothing to do with strategic oil.

<r> An interesting section in a wiki article about the requirements of Germany's flight schools. To train 20,000 pilots of various kinds (3/4 fighter pilots) annually, would require 648,000 tonns - 876,000 tons of aero-fuel. Something that would require double that in crude since only 50% gasoline c...

<r> Well here's a book.<br/> <QUOTE><s>[quote]</s>Stopped at Stalingrad: The Luftwaffe and Hitler's Defeat in the East, 1942-1943, by Joel S. A. Hayward<br/> <br/> Lawrence: University Press of Kansas, 1998. Pp. xxiii, 323. Illus., maps, notes, biblio., index. $39.95. ISBN:0-7006-0876-1.<br/> <br/> ...

<r> <QUOTE><s>[quote]</s>ORIGINAL: aspqrz<br/> <br/> Again, Wulfgar, <I><s>[i]</s>read the cites and the works mentioned in the Bibliographies<e>[/i]</e></I>. <br/> <br/> The information you seek is <I><s>[i]</s>there<e>[/i]</e></I>, if only you weren't c<I><s>[i]</s>ompletely, totally and utterly u...

<r> <QUOTE><s>[quote]</s>ORIGINAL: aspqrz<br/> <br/> Again, Wulfgar, read the cites and the works mentioned in the Bibliographies.<br/> <br/> The information you seek is there, if only you weren't so unwilling to look for it.<br/> <br/> You can, of course, suspect all you want ... like you "suspecte...

<r> <QUOTE><s>[quote]</s>ORIGINAL: aspqrz<br/> <br/> Remember, the Soviet armed forces were about 85% leg infantry ... only 15% motorised ... and supply for leg infantry units was almost 100% by train and horse drawn waggon rather than motor vehicle.<br/> <br/> Just like the German army it fought to...

<r> <QUOTE><s>[quote]</s>ORIGINAL: aspqrz<br/> <br/> <I><s>[i]</s>Note: Russian Refinery technology was between a third and a half as efficient as US refinery technology, and most of the fuel produced was 40-60 octane (and often as low as 20 octane). The technology the US supplied enabled the Russia...

<r> <QUOTE><s>[quote]</s>ORIGINAL: johnnyvagas<br/> <br/> While I agree that the German capture of Baku and such would not have provided much of an immediate effect on German war efforts, the loss of between 75% and 90% of oil and fuel production should have a significant and relatively immediate ef...