<t> O.B./43/CV.12 May 25,1943 <br/> shows for 2400 f/s muzzle velocity (731.52 m/s) of 14.81 lb. APCBC shell ("MV as tested by trial in KwK 40") at 0 and 30 degrees deflection: <br/> 2400 f/s penetration 121/102 mm, <br/> 2000 f/s (609.6 m/s) 98/83 mm, <br/> 1600 f/s (487.68 m/s) 75/63 mm. <br/> <br...

Pak 40 MV 2600 f/s (792.48 m/s)? I assume you meant Pak 40?

British Armor? British penetration definitions?

Does the other OB values seem inline?

<t> My guess would be that they are testing in the desert, and the Germans may not have made a 'Fur Tropen' round for the short gun. The reason being the gun could take it. Look at its HE round, it has a higher muzzle velocity than the AP.<br/> <br/> I guess the Germans put 7,5 cm Pzgr 39 on the sho...

<t> I believe it is similar to some German graphs...that is, it is really 7,5 cm Pzgr 39 'across the board', meaning it is gun independant. That is, all weapons get this penetration IF they have the velocity.<br/> <br/> The KWK 40 must be a L43 and might even have 'Fur Tropen' ammo being shot in a c...

<r> A nice tidbit by Miles Krogfus...<br/> <QUOTE><s>[quote]</s>A 1942 welded small HE cavity 75 mm APCBC for the Pak 40 examined in the United States had a projectile weight of 14.65 lb (6.645 kg) and a propellant charge of 2.610 kg bagged on October 7,1942. Marked "Fur Tropen P.T.+ 25 (degrees) C....

<r> Appears to show a German made Tungsten Carbide 350mm case cartridge.<br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> <IMG src="https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/upfiles/52248/9795C14E2DC4434CB9E0958FB81827DD.jpg"><s>[img]</s><URL url="https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/upfiles/52248/9795C14E2DC4434CB9...

<r> <URL url="http://www.lonesentry.com/ordnance/7-62-cm-feldkanone-36-r-field-gun-ex-russian.html"><LINK_TEXT text="http://www.lonesentry.com/ordnance/7-62 ... ssian.html">http://www.lonesentry.com/ordnance/7-62-cm-feldkanone-36-r-field-gun-ex-russian.html</LINK_TEXT></URL><br/> <br/> <IMG src="htt...

<r> <QUOTE><s>[quote]</s>H.Dv.119/117 Vorlaufige Schusstafel for the Soviet FK 296(r) May 1942 gives these MV of projectiles with 1080 grams of Russian 9/7 propellant: Sprenggranatpatrone 284 and Stahlgussgranpatrone 287 of 706 m/s, while 1943 H.Dv.119/3121 Vorlaufige Geschutzfuhrertafel for the FK ...

<t> Miles Krogfus posted the velocities. I will edit it in. It was a higher velocity. And, yes, the Soviets were concerned about German Monster tanks attacking them. But, after the invasion, and the apparent weak armor on most every German tank, they just made the 'standard' version. Firing the hot ...

<r> Some interesting British data from Miles Krofus...<br/> <QUOTE><s>[quote]</s>by Miles Krogfus » 21 Aug 2016 19:44<br/> <br/> I list British Ordnance Board penetration graphs from 1943 and 1944.<br/> <br/> O.B./43/CV.12 May 25,1943<br/> shows for 2400 f/s muzzle velocity (731.52 m/s) of 14.81 lb....

<r> The Soviets actually had two 76mm cartridges for this class of guns prewar it seems. One was a 'hot' load. Evidently packing about a third more powder. The longer barreled F-22 would surely get a higher velocity from it.<br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> <IMG src="https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/upfiles...

<r> <QUOTE><s>[quote]</s>ORIGINAL: Mobius<br/> <QUOTE><s>[quote]</s>ORIGINAL: Elron Hubbub<br/> The Soviets seem to insist that all T-34, KV, Divisional guns share the same weak ammunition. <e>[/quote]</e></QUOTE> And always 655ms or 660m/s.<br/> Maybe one test is at 0 elevation and one is at Kubink...

<r> From another thread...Discussing the Germans dropping the (r) for weapons like the 7,62 cm Pak 36...<br/> <br/> Re: 76.2 mm Pak 36 Firing Table Data<br/> Postby Yoozername » 29 Jul 2016 17:12<br/> <br/> I suppose that the 'ownership' was considered German after extensive rework and ammunition ma...

<t> As far as the archive awareness info...<br/> <br/> The 76 mm model 1902/30 should really be the /40 version if they are saying it has the same muzzle velocity as the F-34. I would assume that the USV is the model 38 (39). <br/> <br/> The F-22 does not appear here? Strange?<br/> <br/> The AA gun ...

<r> <QUOTE><s>[quote]</s>ORIGINAL: Mobius<br/> <br/> The Aberdeen test gives the MV as 2427f/s (740m/s) for the PaK 36. But report on one captured in the desert gives the MV of 2316 f/s. The Allies didn't have the equipment to determine the MV of the AP40 at the time. <e>[/quote]</e></QUOTE> <br/> <...

<r> <URL url="http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/ARTILLERY3.htm">http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/ARTILLERY3.htm</URL><br/> <br/> Interesting information regarding F-22 in Finnish use.<br/> <br/> It is worth noting that they somehow used German HEAT projectiles while they did not have the full-monty German co...

<r> A late war report for the Pak 39 (r) {this is the USV weapon conversion} It confirms that the German manufactured ammunition was for both guns. For the USV-conversion,the muzzle velocity is only 675 M/s?<br/> <QUOTE><s>[quote]</s>TM-E 30-451 (Handbook on German Military Forces (War Department) 1...

<r> The German manual H.Dv. 481/85 covers the German ammunition for the Pak 36 (r)<br/> <br/> <URL url="https://www.scribd.com/doc/142595303/H-Dv-481-85-Merkblatt-fur-die-Munition-der-7-62-cm-Panzerjagerkanone-36-11-06-1942"><LINK_TEXT text="https://www.scribd.com/doc/142595303/H- ... 11-06-1942">ht...

<r> I have read that the ZIS-3 had a longer barrel. This is a ZIS-3...it may actually may not have returned fully to battery.<br/> <br/> <IMG src="http://weaponsystems.net/image/s-lightbox/n-ZiS-3/--/img/ws/ar_th_zis3_v1.jpg"><s>[img]</s><URL url="http://weaponsystems.net/image/s-lightbox/n-ZiS-3/--...