<t>General Vasey: thanks for bringing up Frederick the Great and Charlemagne. I cant believe I forgot them: I'm of German decent!!<br/>
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All in all this is a brainstorming list. With military history spanning thousands and thousands of years and 6 continents its easy to see why some get passed ...

<t>I think Patton was on the list but I forgot to add him to the final list by mistake. He definitely should be on the list.<br/>
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Someone else mentioned Swarzkopf. Personally I dont think he qualifies as one of the greatest of all time. He is fine general, sure but you are correct in that Iraq ...

<t>So lets figure this out. Everyone has named so many and why. I think I have everyone from the list. Let me know if I missed them. <br/>
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The question is: who is the best (or at least the top 3)? Why?<br/>
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ROMAN: <br/>
Julius Caesar campaign in Gaul<br/>
Scipio Africanus defeat of ...

<t>So lets figure this out. Everyone has named so many and why.<br/>
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ROMAN: <br/>
Julius Caesar campaign in Gaul<br/>
Scipio Africanus defeat of Hannibal at Zama<br/>
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BYZANTINE:<br/>
Belisarius reconquest of Carthage & Italy<br/>
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GREEK:<br/>
Alexander conquest of Achemanid Empire ...

<r>here are some interesting links concerning Ancient Rome:<br/>
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i have a quick question: what if Tours was a victory for the Moors? it would have opened the floodgates to Moorish expansion. Even if the Spanish state was divided then, it still would have created a power vacuum in France.

Just thought of one: Kosovo 1389

crushed the Serbian kingdom for 500 years

Tom: wow I hadnt heard of that battle; interesting info--thanks!!

<t>Gen. Hoepner: Thanks for the info on the battles. Great point on Thermopolye. And don't worry about the language thing. My Italian is far worse. Deutche is the only other language I can come close to communicate in.<br/>
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Troopie: A couple of interesting posts in this string and the Generals ...

<t>Okay, we're debating the most significant battles of all time. How about the Greatest Generals of all time.<br/>
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Julius Caesar---Roman 48bc<br/>
Alexander Greek 325bc<br/>
Hannibal Carthaginian 200bc<br/>
Belisarius Byzantine 525ad<br/>
Khalid Arabian 655ad<br/>
Tamerlane Mogul 1350ad<br ...

<t>Zakhal: What is this Finnish/Swedish battle? I've never heard of it. <br/>
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Drex: The only reason I put Marathon ahead of Salamis/Plataea is that it seems in the first war in 490 that the Persians were more bent on the destruction of Greece and the Greeks were not as united as they were 10 ...

<t>To Drex: First of all I would like to apologize if offended any of our English allies with my Hastings comment. I wasnt trying to offend anyone. Its just that at this time in history England was not strong. It was constantly getting invaded. The Danes invaded just a century before. Following the ...

<t>I always like to compare battles throughout history. What are your thoughts on the 10 most important battles of all time?<br/>
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10. Tenochtitlan Spanish beat Aztecs 1521<br/>
9. Stalingrad Russians defeat Germans 1942<br/>
8. Gaugamela? Greeks defeat Persians 328bc<br/>
7. Teutoberg ...

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<t>One other aspect I would like to see in the new games are higher command structures. In PACWAR units are separate but in the real war they were usually attached to corps or air forces or sub task forces or whatever. Having every unit down to the AA batallion is neat but dont forget the larger ...

<t>I agree with Showboat about Midway. Even if Midway was captured it would have been a liability. The Americans would have isolated the bases with subs and aircraft. Guadalcanal would have gone on as scheduled. The only thing that would have been different is that there may have been an attempt to ...

Everybody ease up please.

We are all adults here.

If you have an opinion express it.
If you want to debate anothers opinion feel free.
If someone wants to debate your opinion so be it; thats what America is all about.

<t>Back to the main topic of this thread: Can we incorporate some of the things I mentioned originally into the new game???<br/>
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---There will be coast defense guns.<br/>
---There will be minesweepers and minelayers.<br/>
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But what about some of the other ideas?<br/>
--Doolittle? can we ...

Joel:

Great news on the shore batteries. That would make the game so much more realistic. I'd love to see Jap BBs come to bombard Manilla Bay or Singapore. They would be in for a rude surprise!!!

What about minefields?

<t>I wholeheartedly agree about the shore batteries. Any ship attempting to bombard Bataan, Singapore, Truk, Wake, Oahu and a few others would have been in for a rude surprise. All had some deadly guns on them. <br/>
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Mine fields should also be allowed. Many, many ships were sunk due to mines ...