<t>There were plenty of srface fights where one side had it all their way.<br/>
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Surigao Strait. So lopsided Maryland didn't get achance to shoot.<br/>
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Or Savo Island, where multiple allied cruisers were sunk in exchange for a Japanese admiral's chart room.<br/>
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Vella Gulf, three of ...

<t>Well, I've never had anything quite that lopsided happen to me, but I've had plenty of embarrising surface actions. Usually when I try to invade Saipan I get into a ruckus where Yamato and Musashi blow the crap out of two modern US BBs, older BBs and CAs trash the next few while taking punishment ...

<t>Well, there weren't any air zones to speak of when I looked at the map, but I split my surface group at Palemebang, based one at Palembang and one at Osthaven, sent one of them to Osthaven and then started switching their bases (i.e. the Osthaven group had Osthaven for a destination and Palembang ...

<t>How do you get them?<br/>
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I had a US surface group and MTB group at Rabaul, the surface group intercepted one Jap group about 4 hexes away, then the MTBs forced a couple of Jap transport groups to abort their mission. So that one seemed to work.<br/>
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However, they don't in the East ...

<t>Ah. A philisophical question.<br/>
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What is a Phyrric victory? <br/>
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Does the German 1939 invasion of Poland qualify, since in the long term it resulted in a prostrate Germany? Or is that to long a term?<br/>
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Does Pearl Harbor count since it resulted in the occupation of Japan ...

How about Tet.

Absolute victory on the field, but it resulted in Walter Cronkite saying the war was now "stalemate" which was good enough for the American public.