Italian OOB

[rob89]

I found some problems with the Italian OOB.

The only 'Alpini' divisions were :
1a Taurinese, 2a Tridentina, 3a Julia, 4a Cuneense, 5a Pusteria, 6a Alpi Graie
The 'Alpini' divisions ('Divisioni Alpine') were a sort of small elite formations, with a very high morale, cohesion and efficiency, unlike the other infantry units.

The other mountain divisions listed in WitE with the same 'Alpini' TOE :
1a Superga, 2a Sforzesca, 4a Livorno, 26a Assietta, 33a Acqui, 36a Forli, 37a Modena, 59a Cagliari,

together with some other listed as infantry units :
3a Ravenna, 11a Brennero, 19a Venezia, 23a Ferrara, 26a Assietta, 32a Marche, 38a Puglie, 53a Arezzo,

were classified as 'mountain infantry' ('fanteria da montagna', not 'alpini'), and actually were infantry (without any elite status), with a TOE similar to the standard infantry. The only differences were in the type and quantity of horses/vehicles in the supply units.

A specific TOE is missing, but could be used the standard infantry one. At the end of 1942, there were no more important differences between tha standard infantry and the above 'mountain infantry' and the specific classification fell into disuse.

Moreover, some units listed as 'motorized' :
10a Piave, 16a Pistoia, 103a Piacenza, 104a Mantova, 105a Rovigo,
actually were 'autotrasportabili' (TOE type 2119)

while the divisions :
17a Pavia, 25a Bologna, 27a Brescia, 60a Sabratha
actually were 'autotrasportabili tipo ASI' (TOE missing)

regards

[Great_Ajax]

I recently completed a massive review of all Axis OBs to include the Italians. I am just waiting on some editor enhancements in order to execute these upgrades. It covers much of what you list here.

The Alpini will have their own TO&E separate from the normal mountain divisions. They are already classified as ‘Axis Elite’ and have Morale and experience much higher then normal Italian units.

I am tracking in the other issues as well. I just don’t know when this will be implemented.

Trey

ORIGINAL: rob89

I found some problems with the Italian OOB.

The only 'Alpini' divisions were :
1a Taurinese, 2a Tridentina, 3a Julia, 4a Cuneense, 5a Pusteria, 6a Alpi Graie
The 'Alpini' divisions ('Divisioni Alpine') were a sort of small elite formations, with a very high morale, cohesion and efficiency, unlike the other infantry units.

The other mountain divisions listed in WitE with the same 'Alpini' TOE :
1a Superga, 2a Sforzesca, 4a Livorno, 26a Assietta, 33a Acqui, 36a Forli, 37a Modena, 59a Cagliari,

together with some other listed as infantry units :
3a Ravenna, 11a Brennero, 19a Venezia, 23a Ferrara, 26a Assietta, 32a Marche, 38a Puglie, 53a Arezzo,

were classified as 'mountain infantry' ('fanteria da montagna', not 'alpini'), and actually were infantry (without any elite status), with a TOE similar to the standard infantry. The only differences were in the type and quantity of horses/vehicles in the supply units.

A specific TOE is missing, but could be used the standard infantry one. At the end of 1942, there were no more important differences between tha standard infantry and the above 'mountain infantry' and the specific classification fell into disuse.

Moreover, some units listed as 'motorized' :
10a Piave, 16a Pistoia, 103a Piacenza, 104a Mantova, 105a Rovigo,
actually were 'autotrasportabili' (TOE type 2119)

while the divisions :
17a Pavia, 25a Bologna, 27a Brescia, 60a Sabratha
actually were 'autotrasportabili tipo ASI' (TOE missing)

regards

[StratmanWITX]

There are many inaccuracies on the Soviet OOB as well.
A colleague on a Russian forum collects this data and create a "historical" scenario by WITE2 editor.
If you are interested in this work, we can forward to you this information to include it in the official Grand campaign scenario.

Thank you for this great and detailed game!
That is why we want it to become even better.

[MechFO]

ORIGINAL: StratmanWITX

There are many inaccuracies on the Soviet OOB as well.
A colleague on a Russian forum collects this data and create a "historical" scenario by WITE2 editor.
If you are interested in this work, we can forward to you this information to include it in the official Grand campaign scenario.

Thank you for this great and detailed game!
That is why we want it to become even better.

Maybe best to make a Soviet thread in

https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tt.asp?forumid=1824

[Great_Ajax]

Yes, please do that.

ORIGINAL: MechFO

ORIGINAL: StratmanWITX

There are many inaccuracies on the Soviet OOB as well.
A colleague on a Russian forum collects this data and create a "historical" scenario by WITE2 editor.
If you are interested in this work, we can forward to you this information to include it in the official Grand campaign scenario.

Thank you for this great and detailed game!
That is why we want it to become even better.

Maybe best to make a Soviet thread in

https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tt.asp?forumid=1824

[StratmanWITX]

OK, I guess we'll do that when a little bit more information will be collected.

[quote]ORIGINAL: Great_Ajax

Yes, please do that.

[StratmanWITX]

Hmm, but I can't post links and create threads, so there aren't enough posts yet.
OK a little bit later [:)]