Seven Years ' War

[AndySfromVA]

The French and Indian War was one of the most significant causes of the American Revolution. The British used the war as a reason to impose taxes on the colonies (the Townsend Acts) that caused tremendous resentment. After the Townsend Acts the revolution was a certainty.

[altipueri]

And if only Pocahontas had killed the settlers instead of sleeping with them the colonies might have failed - which is what her father wanted.

Kids, they always think they know best.
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Incidentally, the real Pocahontas is buried in Gravesend, England.

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Po ... n-princess

[Zovs]

Thanks again all! Great input and links to this topic. Much appreciated.

[Trugrit]

ORIGINAL: AndySfromVA

The French and Indian War was one of the most significant causes of the American Revolution. The British used the war as a reason to impose taxes on the colonies (the Townsend Acts) that caused tremendous resentment. After the Townsend Acts the revolution was a certainty.

Very True,

To fully understand the American Revolution in 1776 you need to go back in history 22 years to
May 28, 1754. On that date a young and very inexperienced militia officer, standing in a wilderness
Glade, made a critical mistake that sparked the largest war of the 18th century.

In fact, that war was the first real world war with major battles on land and sea in North America,
Europe, India and the Caribbean.

The young officer’s mistake resulted in the end of both the French and English colonial empires
in North America.

His screw up, which was largely his fault, lead directly to the Declaration of Independence 22 years later
and the American revolution which formed a new nation. The young officer’s name was George Washington
and he would become the first president and father of that nation.

It is one of the most incredible stories in all of history.

Truth is often stranger than fiction.

Read about it:
Crucible of War - The Seven Years War and the fate of Empire in British North America.
By Fred Anderson.
https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/crucib ... 1111865917#

Great book with great illustrations.

[Zovs]

+1

Truegrit, very interest!

[altipueri]

Here's a link to a Loki/Narwhal tutorial AAR for Wars In America:

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/th ... ar.545321/

[gamer78]

Also after 7 years War.. These were French Revolution- trigger nationalist revolts in AUS-Hungary and Ottoman- unification of Prussia and GB become super power.

I think JTS Seven Years ' War more about European front. It is interesting conflict about how Friedrich's Prussia did survive. Ageod's game did also depict Autria-Hungaria and Russia supply situation very well, even with combined effort they did't have good amount of supply.

[RangerJoe]

Unification of Prussia? I thought that Prussia (which was Polish became part of Germany! [&:]

I think that George Washington was in a battle where he had bullet holes in his clothing, and horses shot out from under him yet he did not get scratch. A leader on the other side thought that he was destined for great things. George III thought that he was insane for giving up power.

[gamer78]

Prussia gain enough prestige to be the leader of the German States, united Germany under Otto Von Bismarck - for FUTURE- [;)]

Anyway France and Austria qualition was also unusual. From my understanding France didn't go for naval war in colonies rather look for victory in Europe. They though they couldn't get victory at sea against England.

[Orm]

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

Unification of Prussia? I thought that Prussia (which was Polish became part of Germany! [&:]

Poland, Prussia, Old Prussia, The Teutonic Knights, Brandenburg, and more, has all a complex, intertwined, and very interesting history that goes back well into the early medieval period.

Germany was created 1871. Before that it was Prussia who dominated, and unified, what we now think of as Germany. Brandenburg->Prussia->Germany simplified)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Prussians

Here is a map of the first Polish Kingdom. Note the Old Prussians to the NE. And I added the evolution of Brandenburg/Prussia.

[gamer78]

After 7 years War's Prussian prestige and mistreatment of East Prussian population in Napoleonic War's - did add up- United German nation was necessary. Similar to northern Syria in recent years some ethnic groups think they should be united under one nation. Napoleonic armies used Eastern Prussia population as horse carriage moving supplies, during Russian campaign.

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: gamer78

After 7 years War's Prussian prestige and mistreatment of East Prussian population in Napoleonic War's - did add up- United German nation was necessary. Similar to northern Syria in recent years some ethnic groups think they should be united under one nation. Napoleonic armies used Eastern Prussia population as horse carriage moving supplies, during Russian campaign.

Twenty percent (20%) of the German population has a Slavic last name.

[gamer78]

But in those times shouldn't be much better called regional nationalism? It is still in most parts of the world. One example is Enver Pasha Army in 1915 against Russia in WW1 and Baltic States in Russian Civil War, Estonia peasants didn't look for national identity we know today. They didn't call themselves Estonian. In those times whoever is the strongest and know their culture is their representatives.

[BBfanboy]

Trugrit: The young officer’s mistake resulted in the end of both the French and English colonial empires
in North America.

Not sure why you think this. Canada remained a British colony and expanded greatly after 1776. Even after Confederation in 1867, Canada still held the British Privy Council as the highest court in its justice system, at least until the Balfour Declaration in 1936. And it wasn't until Pierre Trudeau's governance in the 1970s that we got the British to let us have our own Bill of Rights. And we still hold a colonial system foreign Queen as our monarch because it suits us to keep some key democratic roles distant from politics. So Canada isn't a colony anymore, but vestiges of that link are still present.

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: gamer78

But in those times shouldn't be much better called regional nationalism? It is still in most parts of the world. One example is Enver Pasha Army in 1915 against Russia in WW1 and Baltic States in Russian Civil War, Estonia peasants didn't look for national identity we know today. They didn't call themselves Estonian. In those times whoever is the strongest and know their culture is their representatives.

Political borders are always arbitrary. There is simply too much mixing between cultural, racial and ethnic groups to ever draw lines that encompass only one set of people and call them a nation. Japan may be the nation that comes closest to this, but there is intermixing of other groups there too - for example Okinawans do not consider themselves the same as the Japanese on the main islands.

Nationalism seems to be more about cultural (and maybe racial) identity than politically designated borders.
In the long run it seems the dilution of cultural identity allows for the greater unity of people within their political boundaries, at least for a time.

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

ORIGINAL: gamer78

But in those times shouldn't be much better called regional nationalism? It is still in most parts of the world. One example is Enver Pasha Army in 1915 against Russia in WW1 and Baltic States in Russian Civil War, Estonia peasants didn't look for national identity we know today. They didn't call themselves Estonian. In those times whoever is the strongest and know their culture is their representatives.

Political borders are always arbitrary. There is simply too much mixing between cultural, racial and ethnic groups to ever draw lines that encompass only one set of people and call them a nation. Japan may be the nation that comes closest to this, but there is intermixing of other groups there too - for example Okinawans do not consider themselves the same as the Japanese on the main islands.

Nationalism seems to be more about cultural (and maybe racial) identity than politically designated borders.
In the long run it seems the dilution of cultural identity allows for the greater unity of people within their political boundaries, at least for a time.

Iceland is a nation with a well established mix of people from the British Isles and the Scandinavian countries. Now, whether or not the women from the British Isles actually want to go with those men . . .

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[AndySfromVA]

The most significant contributor to nationalism is the existence of an external threat - whether real or perceived. That's why governments (usually unscrupulous, ambitious politicians) constantly point to groups of people (foreign or domestic) as threats to the existence of the motherland/fatherland.

[Randomizer]

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

Trugrit: The young officer’s mistake resulted in the end of both the French and English colonial empires
in North America.

Not sure why you think this. Canada remained a British colony and expanded greatly after 1776. Even after Confederation in 1867, Canada still held the British Privy Council as the highest court in its justice system, at least until the Balfour Declaration in 1936. And it wasn't until Pierre Trudeau's governance in the 1970s that we got the British to let us have our own Bill of Rights. And we still hold a colonial system foreign Queen as our monarch because it suits us to keep some key democratic roles distant from politics. So Canada isn't a colony anymore, but vestiges of that link are still present.

The Quebec Act of 1774 was a direct consequence of the Seven Year's War and a huge grievance to America's framers because it essentially granted primacy of the Catholic Church and the French Language in the former New France. The idea that London could enforce religious and linguistic laws on the colonies without their consent was intolerable and pushed them closer to revolution.

Just to be clear, Arthur Balfour was long dead in 1936 and his famous declaration of 1917 dealt with a Jewish state in Palestine, a promise made to encourage the Rothschild family to help bankroll the war effort against Imperial Germany. It had nothing whatsoever to do with Canada or any of the other white dominions, Australia, the Irish Free State, New Zealand and South Africa.

The essential piece of British legislation which gave full independence to all five was the Statute of Westminster, passed on 11 December 1931. This finally freed the Dominions and Ireland from the British Foreign Office and the Privy Counsel as it related to criminal proceedings. After the statute, Ireland begin to quickly dismantle the monarchical trappings of government and would soon declare as a republic. South Africa would use the new-found legal freedom to move farther into an apartheid society to the detriment of the Black majority. In 1939, Canada would not declare war on Nazi Germany until more than a week after the UK and there was some vigorous debate in Parliament on whether it was the right move for the country.

History's important and one should try to get it right.

-C

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