new game with the new patch

[borner]

Hello all

Is anyone interested in starting a new game once the new patch is released? My thoughts are to go ahead and get a list of players together now, so we are ready to roll when the new and HOPEFULLY improved patch is ready. I would ask for someone else to host, as I doubt I am computer literate to deal with it. GB/FR uncodtional surrender option a must, and others open to discussion. Normal bids for countries, but with an agreement that inexperienced players not bid high for GB or France. Goal would be to get your phase done within 24-48 hours, as sometimes work, little league games and the like can get in the way. any time zones welcome


please post replies here if interested.

[NeverMan]

Yes, I am interested.

[Mardonius]

I'd be interested if there were some agreed on campaign rules that limited gamesmanship, particularly in regard to the use of DoW acquired Free states.
Also, the Dardenelles Restriction is a must for me.

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Mardonius/Varick

[borner]

yes, and getting 7 people ahead of time allows us to discuss these issues in detail, so if you are in, that's 4 so far.

[BoerWar]

Sign me up if you have room

[borner]

Boerwar sent me this list from another game and it looks like a great starting point for discussion options.
 


Suggested Options :
Winter Land Movement Yes
Guard Commit Yes
Allow PBEM Host Yes [/align]Allow Option Changes during the game Yes
Third Party battle resolution No
PBEM passwords No
Econ Manip Yes
GB/FR War Yes
Leader Cas No
Privateers Yes
PBEM Quick No
Strait control Yes 
Lille crossing arrow Yes

House rule :
For initial war UK and FR can only have uncondionnal surrender; FRANCE must take 2 fleets, nelson
England must take Napoleon

Minor countries:
Any controlling country cannot use fleet/corp against any country NOT declaring on minor (or at war with minor) until war is lapsed or minor conquered.
Cannot declare with intention of lapsing to give to another.
Cannot scuttle controlled nation fleets if 0% chance of winning.
Loaning corp: may only loan corp if both loaner and loanee are at war with ALL of opponents; otherwise, maximum of 20 factors can be loaned (30 if turkey is loaning).
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[NeverMan]

That looks pretty good to me, just two things.

Why no PBEM passwords?

I'm not really keen on the whole "privateers" thing, but if everyone else is for that then it's cool with me.

[Mardonius]

The game options are good, though I'd not sweat the Casualties, as they fixed the 1 in twelve glitch.

Those are pretty good house rules for the minors. I am not so sure that you should be able to loan corps to fight nations you are not at war with. That said, I can think of one real world example from an earlier era where the Ottomans did loan an Albanian corps to the Venetians to fight the HRE. So maybe allowing one corps to be loaned is OK.

I'd add that you can not attack a minor that you did not declare war on. Example 1: France and UK are at war. Spain Dows on Portugal. France gets control of Portugal. Britain can not attack Portuguese forces unless War between Spain and Portugal lapses and France gains full control. Example Two: Britain and Russia are at war with France. Britain DOWs against Denmark. France gains control. Russia can not attack Denmark unless war between Denmark and UK lapses and France gains full control of Denmark.

Separately, I would add that any naval engagement involving minors fleets must, where possible, involve and equal number of controlling major nation ships. This house rule comes from attempts to "run the guns of a port". For example, Spain and the UK are at war. Spain DoWs on Portugal and Britain gains control. Britain may not attack Spanish ports unless an equal number or greater British ships accompany the attacking Portuguese and losses are proportional.

A Third rule I'd like to see is proportional losses at land and sea. . Engagements should take losses from different nations according to proportion committed. I would allow cavalry, guard, artillery, guerrillas, militia, and feudals to be exceptions to this rule. Cav pursuits should be proportional too except for feudal/cossacks/freikorps.

[Sigerson]

I'm interested in joining the group. I have played a little EiA boardgame via e-mail. That was a few years ago. I played Russia in that game. Pretty sure we played the regular ruleset, not the EiH one.

My initial impression of the computer rules set is that it tells you how to use the computer version, but not how to play the game, so I guess I'll have to break out my game rules to refresh my memory.

Anyway, whatever you decide on as far as optional/house rules is fine. 24-48 hour turnaround is good for me as I do work a full week and have a real life outside of gaming.

[AdmNelson]

I would be interested also. Sign me up in you have room.

[NeverMan]

ORIGINAL: Mardonius

The game options are good, though I'd not sweat the Casualties, as they fixed the 1 in twelve glitch.

Those are pretty good house rules for the minors. I am not so sure that you should be able to loan corps to fight nations you are not at war with. That said, I can think of one real world example from an earlier era where the Ottomans did loan an Albanian corps to the Venetians to fight the HRE. So maybe allowing one corps to be loaned is OK.

I'd add that you can not attack a minor that you did not declare war on. Example 1: France and UK are at war. Spain Dows on Portugal. France gets control of Portugal. Britain can not attack Portuguese forces unless War between Spain and Portugal lapses and France gains full control. Example Two: Britain and Russia are at war with France. Britain DOWs against Denmark. France gains control. Russia can not attack Denmark unless war between Denmark and UK lapses and France gains full control of Denmark.

Separately, I would add that any naval engagement involving minors fleets must, where possible, involve and equal number of controlling major nation ships. This house rule comes from attempts to "run the guns of a port". For example, Spain and the UK are at war. Spain DoWs on Portugal and Britain gains control. Britain may not attack Spanish ports unless an equal number or greater British ships accompany the attacking Portuguese and losses are proportional.

A Third rule I'd like to see is proportional losses at land and sea. . Engagements should take losses from different nations according to proportion committed. I would allow cavalry, guard, artillery, guerrillas, militia, and feudals to be exceptions to this rule. Cav pursuits should be proportional too except for feudal/cossacks/freikorps.

Yes, I agree with all of these points.

It's been awhile for me and we always played by the same house rules so I am not used to thinking about them, but all of these things you have said is how we used to play. The "running of the guns" by UMPs (not possible in EiANW) and minor nations just to kill the fleets (aka GB has control of some countries and wants to destroy it's fleets) was considered "not in the spirit of the game" and hence we did not do things like that.

We always played with proportional losses also, I thought this was a given, sorry.

For the naval engagement involving minor fleets, I think that if the MP has full control of the minor then that MP should be able to do whatever it wants with that minor's fleets. The only time I think the fleet usage should be limited is for the situation specified above.

[jnier]

If there's still room, I'm game. Have experience with both Board and PC version.

[borner]

ok guys, I think that is our 7. borner, jnier, neverman, adm nelson, sigerson, mordonies, and boerwar. As I said before, it's not that I am lazy, but I really think it better that someone else host the game, as my schedule and computer skills would both cause issues. I will create a yahoo group for the game tomorrow and post it here. After that we can discuss the options in more detail. Personally, I would prefer to play w/o pirtavteers and leader cas. As for passwords, they really just seem like an extra bother as the way the game is set up, they do not seem needed.. Any suggestions for a name?

[NeverMan]

That's fine.

I guess as soon as we have a host he/she will need our emails, so the faster we get it going the better.

Are we all agreed on the turnaround time?

Just to clarify, by the latest patch are you talking about the official patch or 1.02j?

[Mardonius]

I was hoping we could start at the release of the next new Official non-Beta patch. Otherwise, we are best served in using the most recent viable patch 1.02i. I would not recommend updating to other beta versions until they have been vetted.

We could do bids anytime. I would second the concept that France, at least,should be an experienced player to keep things moving. A experienced Austrian is important too. As far as names go, anything goes with me.

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Mardonius/Varick

[borner]

ok, so "anyting goes" for the game name???    [:D] 
 
the patch is whatever one they are working on at the moment... I need to check the forum and see what exactly it is.
 
 

[Mardonius]

Might as well be. How about "Napoleon's Options" or something overly self-presuming like that?

Three other potential house rules.

1) No forwarding other's e-mails. You can write whatever you like someone else said, but the forwarding of e-mails w/out permission is not allowed Reason: Makes to too easy for players to compromise diplomatic correspondence and discourages creativity.

2) Britain must move first or last in the naval phase and can not move in the middle onf the naval pahse. Maybe moot after naval forces can be loaned, but until then there is no other way for a collation to form a fleet to engage a British naval hegemon.

3) The defender in a multi-corps battle must send his defense choice to a trusted ally. Reason: prevents cheating. Yes, this does occur and I have, sadly, seen it happen.

Anyone want to host? Anyone? Anyone?

[borner]

http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/NapoleonsOptions/

fighting through some computer issue at the moment, but here is the yahpoo group for the game.

Just a reminder, we currently have 7 plaerys for the game

[Mardonius]

If people are willing, I can send my bids to a trusted third party and after I do this, all can send their bids to me. This is somewhat better than using the GAP program as it allows people to know who is what country before electing to be at war. Thus you can form, for example, a Prussian Austria coaltion, start at war with France, and not have to pay the 4pps. If we use the GAP program, you don't know who is what country before you load the GAP program.

Since no one else wants to keep the files for this game, I'll give it a go. But mind you, I have not done this before so please accept my apologies ahead of time.

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Mardonius

[borner]

Thanks Mardonius... I would, but I seem to have more system problems than most, and i think that is a serious concern should I try to host this thing. I like the Idea of doing some diplomacy beforhand as well
 
As for the GB naval movement, I would vote to let GB move wherever they choose. In the games I have played so far, Fr and SP seem to have no problem getting land units ashore in England as is.  Sending the chits to a 3rd party I think is the safe way to go. Hopefully the players we have in this game are serious and honest, but as none of us really know any of the others, this would probably save us from a disagreement don the road.