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[M60A3TTS]

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PRESS RELEASE

From Ewald von Kleist, leader of XXXXVI Panzer Corps

Ewald von Kleist is happy to announce his new posting as leader of the XXXXVI Panzer Corps.

Ewald von Kleist wished well to his former troops in the 1st Panzer Army commenting "The Soviets started the blizzard at the gates of Voroshilovgrad - and they are ending it still at the gates of Voroshilovgrad!"

Ewald von Kleist praised his predecessors as leaders of the XXXXVI Panzer Corps for leaving their units in better condition than could ever have been imagined through a blizzard. Having thrown back numerous assaults to the South of Moscow he noted the effectiveness of their quad cannons after raking rows of running horses from the enemy's cavalry corps.

Ewald von Kleist said "It is time for a new challenge and I look forward to further extending our lebensraum around Moscow. And as for EwaldvonKleist I have this to say to him - you were lucky in Berlin, and you could not hack it against me in the south, now I am coming after you! Not only have you stolen my name you have even stolen my image. Remember you can run but you cannot hide!"

Meanwhile, the 36th Reserve Rumanian Infantry Division is prepared to conduct a rear guard action at Voroshilovgrad. Perhaps the leader of XXXXVI Panzer Corps doesn't know everything he thinks he does. [:'(]

[Telemecus]

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Meanwhile, the 36th Reserve Rumanian Infantry Division is prepared to conduct a rear guard action at Voroshilovgrad. Perhaps the leader of XXXXVI Panzer Corps doesn't know everything he thinks he does. [:'(]

The leader of XXXXVI Panzer Corps says "I am no longer in charge there, not my problem!" [:D]

[M60A3TTS]

I'm beginning to think the threat of Artificial Intelligence may be a little overrated if this is any indication.



There go a dozen admin points down the drain. [:@]

[Crackaces]

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I'm beginning to think the threat of Artificial Intelligence may be a little overrated if this is any indication.



There go a dozen admin points down the drain. [:@]

The costs of multiple defeats during the blizzard

[Telemecus]

Another week and another Russian poisoning attempt! The perfidy of the Soviet side knows no bounds as its assassination squad tampered with thedude357's Ragu sauce preventing them from doing their whole go in turn 34. Many thanks to Crackaces for stepping in to cover during the temporary absence. Meanwhile doctors say thedude357 will be back on the front line next week and indeed could be flying in their recon plane again by tomorrow. Those in the know know the sacking was for the bungled hit.

[M60A3TTS]

If Ragu sauce was involved, that would indicate it was an Italian job. Yes, signs already appearing of a fracturing Axis alliance.

[Telemecus]

The accompanying lemonade has also come under suspicion?


(many thanks to HLYA for this photo!)

[HardLuckYetAgain]

Could always have a "NOT SEE"(Nazi) Cola in a 12 pack from Amazon!!!

[Zorch]

This kind is preferred by Finns.

[Zorch]

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I'm beginning to think the threat of Artificial Intelligence may be a little overrated if this is any indication.



There go a dozen admin points down the drain. [:@]

The costs of multiple defeats during the blizzard

Excerpts from Wikipedia: (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigory_Kulik)

Grigory Ivanovich Kulik (Russian: Григо́рий Ива́нович Кули́к) (9 November 1890 – 24 August 1950) was a Soviet military commander and Marshal of the Soviet Union.

Kulik was born into a peasant family near Poltava in Ukraine. A soldier in the army of the Russian Empire in World War I, he joined the Bolshevik Party in 1917 and the Red Army in 1918. During the Russian Civil War he became a commander in the Soviet artillery at Tsaritsyn and other battles.

In 1937 Kulik became head of the Red Army's Main Artillery Directorate, and remained commander of the Soviet artillery forces until 1941. He was both a sycophantic Stalinist and a radical military conservative, strongly opposed to the reforms proposed by Mikhail Tukhachevsky during the 1930s. For this reason he survived Stalin's Great Purge of the Red Army in 1937-38, and in 1939 he became Deputy People's Commissar of Defense, also taking part in the Soviet occupation of Eastern Poland in September. He led the Soviet's artillery attack on Finland at the start of the Winter War, which quickly foundered under his poor leadership. He was awarded the title of "Hero of the Soviet Union" in recognition of "outstanding services to the country and personal courage."[1] As a close friend of Stalin he was successfully able to convince him to spare upwards of 150,000 Polish prisoners from execution in the Katyn massacre.

On May 8, 1940, Kulik was named a Marshal of the Soviet Union, along with Semyon Timoshenko and Boris Shaposhnikov. He had a reputation as an incompetent officer, a "murderous buffoon", and a bully, but his closeness to Stalin put him beyond criticism. He could not protect his wife though, Kira Simonich, who two days before Kulik's promotion had been kidnapped on Stalin's orders. She was subsequently executed by Vasili Blokhin.[2]

Artillery Directorate chief

Kulik's continued close ties to Voroshilov, one of only two of the original five Marshals to survive the Great Purge, led to him being appointed chief of the Main Artillery Directorate in 1935. Responsible for overseeing the development and production of new tanks, tank guns and artillery pieces, Kulik's fundamental ignorance in his field of expertise—coupled with his abusive, bumbling personality and tendency to condemn technological advances as "bourgeois sabotage"—would prove a serious hindrance to the Red Army's ability to modernize itself prior to the war with Germany.

Kulik clung stubbornly to a vision of the Red Army as it was in 1918, the last time he had held a field command. He condemned almost every major advance in technology or doctrine beyond that point, many of which were later adopted anyway and proved invaluable in the Soviet victory over the Axis. He bitterly denounced Marshal Tukhachevsky's campaign to redevelop the Red Army's mechanized forces into independent units like the Wehrmacht's Panzerkorps; the creation of separate divisions allowed them to use their greater maneuverability for Deep Battle-style maneuver warfare, rapidly exploiting breakthroughs rather than simply supporting the infantry. Correctly sensing that Stalin viewed new ideas as potential threats to his power, Kulik successfully argued against the change, suggesting in a letter to Stalin that such attitudes showed an unhealthy ideological sympathy with the "degenerate fascist ideology" of favoring feint and deception over aggressive frontal attack. Tukhachevsky's unorthodox ideas eventually cost him his life during the Great Purge, but in less than a decade Marshal Georgi Zhukov was using the same techniques to great effect in Manchuria against the Japanese, eventually convincing Stalin of their value and using them to outstanding effect during Operation Bagration.

It also did not help that Kulik personally despised tanks and armored vehicles altogether, arguing that they were inferior to horses and would "never replace them". He even criticized his friend Marshal Voroshilov's support for the production of the T-34 and (his namesake) KV-1 tanks, both of which later proved instrumental in the survival of the Soviet Union. After he was overruled by Stalin and ordered to produce the tanks anyway, he began deliberately dragging his feet over the production of ammunition and guns, resulting in a drastic shortage of 76.2mm shells. At the start of the war, no more than 12% of the T-34 and KV-1 tanks had a full ammo load; few had any anti-tank rounds, most had no more than a few HE shells, and a shocking number had to rely solely on their coaxial machine guns, having no 76.2mm rounds at all.[4] Many T-34 and KV-1 tanks were sent into battle underarmed and eventually had to be abandoned by their crews when they ran out of ammunition.

Of particular note was Kulik's meddling in the armament of the T-34 and KV-1 tanks prior to and in the early period of the war with Germany. Already opposed to tanks, Kulik deliberately opposed the adoption of the superior F-34 gun, designed by P. Muraviev of Vasiliy Grabin's design bureau at the Joseph Stalin Factory No. 92 in Gorky. The F-34 had proved in testing to be both considerably more effective and cheaper than the Leningrad Kirov Plant's L-11 76.2mm gun, but Kulik's status as political patron for the Leningrad Factory resulted in the relevant armament diplomats being too frightened of being arrested to approve the production of the better gun. This short-sighted decision eventually necessitated a rushed retrofit of the KV-1 and T-34's gun in the midst of the German invasion, when it became apparent that the L-11 could not reliably penetrate even the lightly armored Panzer III, which was being faced in large numbers. The crisis was mitigated only by Grabin's disobedience; with the support of Kulik's political enemies, he had secretly ordered the manufacture of a reserve stock of F-34 guns, predicting correctly that they would shortly be needed and that the decision would be ultimately supported by Stalin once it had proved itself in battle. Grabin turned out to be correct; Kulik was reportedly furious for having been countermanded and attempted to denounce the F-34's designers to Stalin after the fact, but was silenced by a flood of letters from Soviet tank crewmen to Stalin writing in support of the new gun.

Kulik also disparaged using minefields as a defensive measure, considering it at odds with a properly aggressive strategy and calling it "a weapon of the weak." This disastrous decision allowed for the essentially free movement of German forces across Russian defensive lines during Operation Barbarossa, with static defensive strongpoints being easily bypassed by Panzer spearheads and surrounded by infantry, forcing the defenders to surrender. He also zealously supported Stalin's exhortations against retreat, allowing whole divisions to be encircled and annihilated or starved into surrendering en masse. Eventually, after Kulik's demotion, it was only the laying of multiple layers of anti-tank mines that allowed for both the successful defense of Leningrad during the German siege and the successful trap sprung on the much stronger German armored forces at the Battle of Kursk.

Kulik similarly scorned the German issue of the MP-40 submachine gun to their shock troops as a "bourgeois fascist affectation", stating that it encouraged inaccuracy and excessive ammunition consumption among the rank and file. He forbade the issue of the PPD-40 to his units, stating that it was only suitable as a "pure police weapon". It was not until 1941, after widespread demand for a weapon to match the MP-40 again overruled Kulik's restrictions, that a simple modification of the manufacturing process for the PPD-40 produced the PPSh-41, which proved to be amongst the most widely produced, inexpensive and effective small arms of the war, considered by many German infantrymen to be superior to the MP-40, with whole companies of Russian infantrymen eventually being issued the weapon for house-to-house fighting.

Lastly, he refused to support the production of the innovative Katyusha rocket artillery system for no other reason than he did not trust anything other than World War I-era horse-drawn artillery. Although it could have been produced much earlier in the war without his meddling, like the rest of Kulik's rejected innovations the "Stalin organ" eventually proved to be one of the most effective Soviet inventions of the war and a major advance in artillery technology.

Wartime command

When Germany invaded the Soviet Union in June 1941, Kulik took command of the 54th Army on the Leningrad front.[5] Here his incompetence caught up with him, and he presided over heavy Soviet defeats that resulted in the city of Leningrad being surrounded and the necessity that General Georgi Zhukov be rushed to the front in order to stabilize the defenses and take over Kulik's command.

Zhukov states Kulik "was relieved of his command, and the Stavka placed the 54th Army under the Leningrad Front" on 29 Sept. 1941.[6] On June 22, the Defense Industries and the Artillery Directorate were transferred away from Kulik to a 32-year-old factory director, Dmitriy Ustinov. In March 1942 Kulik was court-martialed and demoted to the rank of Major-General. His status as one of Stalin's cronies saved him from the firing squad that was the fate of other defeated Soviet generals. In April 1943 he became commander of the 4th Guards Army. From 1944 to 1945 he was Deputy Head of the Directory of Mobilization, and Commander of the Volga Military District.

[Telemecus]

Is there nothing good to say about Kulik at all?

[HardLuckYetAgain]

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Is there nothing good to say about Kulik at all?

Lets see.......... he wasn't executed.

[HardLuckYetAgain]

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Is there nothing good to say about Kulik at all?

Lets see.......... he wasn't executed.

Good thing for the Germans!!!! Now put him back in charge!!!

[Telemecus]

Google searches for his photo seem to show him having a Hitler moustache all the time?

If I was a Soviet player I would be worried.

[HardLuckYetAgain]

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Google searches for his photo seem to show him having a Hitler moustache all the time?

If I was a Soviet player I would be worried.

Are you "profiling"????

[M60A3TTS]

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Is there nothing good to say about Kulik at all?

Lets see.......... he wasn't executed.

He was executed in 1950.

[HardLuckYetAgain]

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Is there nothing good to say about Kulik at all?

Lets see.......... he wasn't executed.

He was executed in 1950.

I guess I should have said not executed in WW2

[Telemecus]

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Lets see.......... he wasn't executed.

He was executed in 1950.

I guess I should have said not executed in WW2

we are clutching at straws now

[Zorch]

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He was executed in 1950.

I guess I should have said not executed in WW2

we are clutching at straws now

Kulik did more for the Germans than most German generals. He should have a negative rating. [&o]

[Telemecus]

Many thanks to Crackaces covering South during turn 35.

thedude357 was on his command plane flying back to his command post and will be back in action soon.
He wants it to be known that

thedude357
You can shoot at us and bomb us - but when you mess with a man's Ragu sauce you have crossed the line!