How does this game compare to others?

[Texican]

How does "War Between the States" compare to "Blue and Gray" or "Forge of Freedom"? Any pros/cons?

Thanks.

[PyleDriver]

Not really sure about the other games, But if you want a game that is fast and free flowing, get this one. These guys did a great Job. I've said this before, I'm not a big Civil War buff, but for 18 months, I've been sucked in...

[8D]
Jon

[Curious]

Do a little looking around -- this has definitely been covered in this forum.

CB

[tran505]

And the award for "best music" in a strategic ACW game goes to....
"Forge of Freedom"

And the award for "best map" by a stragetic ACW game goes to....
"Blue and Gray"

And the award for "best combat resolution" in a strategic ACW game goes to....
"War Between the States"

And the award for "most playable hotseat" in a strategic ACW game goes to...
"War Between the States"

And the award for "coolest introductory sequence" in a strategic ACW game goes to....
"Forge of Freedom"

And the award for "best operatinal feel" in a strategic ACW game goes to...
"Blue and Gray"

And the award for "truest to subject matter" in a strategic ACW game goes to...
A tie, "War Between the Sates" and "Blue and Gray"

And the award for "most fun per hour" in a strategic ACW game goes to....
You pick. Who can argue with what you think is most fun. I would have a hard time picking between WBTS and B&G, but that is just me.


- P

[Texican]

ORIGINAL: tran505



And the award for "best music" in a strategic ACW game goes to....
"Forge of Freedom"

And the award for "best map" by a stragetic ACW game goes to....
"Blue and Gray"

And the award for "best combat resolution" in a strategic ACW game goes to....
"War Between the States"

And the award for "most playable hotseat" in a strategic ACW game goes to...
"War Between the States"

And the award for "coolest introductory sequence" in a strategic ACW game goes to....
"Forge of Freedom"

And the award for "best operatinal feel" in a strategic ACW game goes to...
"Blue and Gray"

And the award for "truest to subject matter" in a strategic ACW game goes to...
A tie, "War Between the Sates" and "Blue and Gray"

And the award for "most fun per hour" in a strategic ACW game goes to....
You pick. Who can argue with what you think is most fun. I would have a hard time picking between WBTS and B&G, but that is just me.


- P

Thanks. Very helpful reply.

[tc237]

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[paplan]

Follow up.
Which has the least micro-management?

[Pford]

ORIGINAL: tran505
And the award for "best map" by a stragetic ACW game goes to....
"Blue and Gray"

C'mon that award has to go to AEGOD's game, with that Currier & Ives theme. Of course, it's a question of taste.

Personally, for gameplay, I find WBTS the most engrossing and deeply thought out. There's a lot of Mind here. I'd love to do a PBEM but I'm struggling on Normal settings with the AI.[8|]

[Bo Rearguard]

ORIGINAL: Pford

ORIGINAL: tran505
And the award for "best map" by a stragetic ACW game goes to....
"Blue and Gray"

C'mon that award has to go to AEGOD's game, with that Currier & Ives theme. Of course, it's a question of taste.

Personally, for gameplay, I find WBTS the most engrossing and deeply thought out. There's a lot of Mind here. I'd love to do a PBEM but I'm struggling on Normal settings with the AI.[8|]

I believe the full grandiose title for AGEOD's game is American Civil War 1861-65; The Blue and the Gray. Most people probably shorten it to Blue and Gray or AACW. So likely they did win best map for their 'Currier & Ives' cartography motif. [;)] [:D]

What do the award statues look like? Little Oscar-like Robert E. Lees? [:D]

[Nibelung]

Want a tactical game into your ACW one: WC Forge of Freedom
Want tons of historical details on setups and events: AGEOD ACW
Want abstracted but well designed/nicely flowing game: GG WBS!

Difficult to say which one is the best, they all have merits.

AS for the scale, it is also a matter of taste. Do you want a quick game (done in less than one week) or a long one (over a month for the campaign?). FOF has 250 regions, WBS 400 and AACW 2800... The rest follows on the same trend.

Anyway, they are all sold by Father Matrix [:'(]

[Treefrog]

Texican,

Your points are fine, but . . . (imagine the campfire scene in Gettysburg where General Pickett and his three brigade commanders are discussing the right to secede with the British Colonel)

. . . but sir, I put it to you this way. Imagine if all these games you mention were pretty women, sir. Now, conjure the image that one had marvelous hair, the next had striking eyes, and the last a beguiling smile. Sir, having kissed the first two, would you forego the chance to kiss the third? Well sir, these game are like those girls. Having experienced the first two, why would you forego the opportunity to savor the third."

Treefrog, happily married to the fourth girl.

[tran505]

I think treefrog has provided the definitive comparative analysis! We all tremble before your "searing intellect". [&o]

P

[Texican]

ORIGINAL: Treefrog

Texican,

Your points are fine, but . . . (imagine the campfire scene in Gettysburg where General Pickett and his three brigade commanders are discussing the right to secede with the British Colonel)

. . . but sir, I put it to you this way. Imagine if all these games you mention were pretty women, sir. Now, conjure the image that one had marvelous hair, the next had striking eyes, and the last a beguiling smile. Sir, having kissed the first two, would you forego the chance to kiss the third? Well sir, these game are like those girls. Having experienced the first two, why would you forego the opportunity to savor the third."

Treefrog, happily married to the fourth girl.

Or General Longstreet to Lee: "Sir, I don't believe any 15,000 men every assembled for battle can figure out those game mechanics."

(kidding)

[Erik Rutins]

ORIGINAL: Treefrog
Your points are fine, but . . . (imagine the campfire scene in Gettysburg where General Pickett and his three brigade commanders are discussing the right to secede with the British Colonel)

. . . but sir, I put it to you this way. Imagine if all these games you mention were pretty women, sir. Now, conjure the image that one had marvelous hair, the next had striking eyes, and the last a beguiling smile. Sir, having kissed the first two, would you forego the chance to kiss the third? Well sir, these game are like those girls. Having experienced the first two, why would you forego the opportunity to savor the third."

Brilliant, I agree this is the perfect answer.

[PyleDriver]

Well, lets not share that with our wives. We won't make it to see the sunshine tomarrow. Guess we just have to stick to wargames...lol...

[8D]

[joey]

I am a great fan of WITP and GG's BOB and BTR. Would I be a fan of this game? I like both a tactical and strategic operatons as well as a lot of micromanaging. If it is controllable, I would like to control it.... So is this a game for me?

[PyleDriver]

What makes this game stand out, is leader apointments. So it does take alot of thought of when and where they go. You don't get to control Tac battles, but who you appoint has everything to do with results. You will never regret getting this game...

[8D]
Jon

[heroldje]

i would say people looking for a very in depth experience would be disappointed with this game.  the campaigns can be finished in a few days, and are abstracted to a pretty high level.  theres absolutely nothing wrong with that, but for those who like to have their hands on all the controls, this might not appeal to you.

[PyleDriver]

Herold, do you own this game? I don't have the others so I can't talk about them. This is Gary at his best agian, of course Joel and Keith did there part also.

[8D]
Jon

[heroldje]

yes i own it, and i enjoy it quite a bit.  in fact, i just beat the union campaign for the first time tonight.  it helped that i captured R.E. Lee in 1862
 
my point was that this game approaches the civil war from a high level, and does not bog down in details.  people looking for a game like that would be better served wtih AGEOD imo.