Idea for future mods

GaryChildress · Post by **GaryChildress** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 1:41 am

I always hate starting out on Dec 7, 1941 as Allies. You have squadrons stashed all over the place (especially in CHS) and no planes in the aircraft pool. This means that you may have some rear area squadrons flying P-40s while forward squadrons are running desperately low on aircraft. It would be nice to have some sort of aircraft, maybe a trainer or something, which those rear area squadrons could be "upgraded" to in order to free up more P-40s or whatever for the front line air groups. When AE comes out (with all the extra aircraft slots) I think it would be cool to include some "junk" aircraft to switch rear area units to in order to put more good planes into the pool for front line service. Maybe it's a little gamey but I still like the idea. If the Japanese have enough Claudes, Susies and Jeans to play around rotating planes in and out of the pool it would seem nice to give the same ability to the Allies.

Any thoughts, concerns or death threats? [:D]

steveh11Matrix · Post by **steveh11Matrix** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 1:46 am

You could use the Wirraway, just boost the production rate or initial pool, if you wanted?

GaryChildress · Post by **GaryChildress** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 1:55 am

ORIGINAL: steveh11Matrix

You could use the Wirraway, just boost the production rate or initial pool, if you wanted?

I'm mostly thinking of the US airgroups. There are a few in Panama and the United States in CHS which are using P-40s and even some P-38s. I would love to be able to switch them out and dump those P-38s into the replacement pool. What aircraft could the US use for this? Maybe the Texan or some other trainer? Either that or maybe I could revive some older planes like the P-26 or something to fill the initial pool with.

Dali · Post by **Dali** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 6:14 am

Texan is good for the role....

GaryChildress · Post by **GaryChildress** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 9:38 pm

ORIGINAL: Dali

Texan is good for the role....

Judging from the Army Air Forces Statistical Digest (World War II), Aircraft and Equipment Table there were over 5,000 trainers delivered to the USAAF and over 1,000 delivered to the USN in 1941 alone. I suppose that is worth a few in the pool just sitting around waiting to be swapped out. Probably different types of trainers involved but some are sure to be AT-6/SNJ Texans.

Of those thousands of trainers delivered in 1941, 467 were delivered to the USAAF in November 1941 and 147 to the USN in November 1941. It seems feasible that some of those 467 and 147 trainers might be sitting around in the pool waiting to be assigned to squadrons on Dec 8, 1941.

Of course players playing the mod would need to either play an Historical first turn or else have a house rule where the Allies cannot switch out front line fighters at Pearl Harbor with trainers for the Japanese to destroy only to switch back the fighters the next turn.

Terminus · Post by **Terminus** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 9:39 pm

Well, that would fall under my House Rule #1: "DON'T CHEAT!!!"...[:D]

GaryChildress · Post by **GaryChildress** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 9:48 pm

I guess if the IJN player looks at the combat replay and sees at PH: 188 AT-6 Texans destroyed that would be a pretty good sign game is over. [:D]

Terminus · Post by **Terminus** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 9:49 pm

If I saw something like that, I'd blackball my opponent in a heartbeat.

RevRick · Post by **RevRick** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 9:49 pm

Aye... Some of the ideas I hear around here sound so low-down-you'd-have-to-get-a-stepladder-to-scratch-a-snake's-belly sneakey......

So far as the groups back stateside, why not equip them with P36s, P-35s, P-43s, etc. if there aren't any true trainers coming. Besides that, wouldn't you want these squadrons flying something that at least might be mistaken for a fighter rather than a trainer?

Terminus · Post by **Terminus** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 9:51 pm

Got plenty of 'em in AE, reverend.

GaryChildress · Post by **GaryChildress** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 10:03 pm

ORIGINAL: Terminus

If I saw something like that, I'd blackball my opponent in a heartbeat.

I'd probably call for a do over. If it happened again then I would definitely call off the game.

GaryChildress · Post by **GaryChildress** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 10:08 pm

ORIGINAL: RevRick

Aye... Some of the ideas I hear around here sound so low-down-you'd-have-to-get-a-stepladder-to-scratch-a-snake's-belly sneakey......

So far as the groups back stateside, why not equip them with P36s, P-35s, P-43s, etc. if there aren't any true trainers coming. Besides that, wouldn't you want these squadrons flying something that at least might be mistaken for a fighter rather than a trainer?

Well the Japanese are fully capable of downgrading first rate aircraft to Claudes, Nates, Jeans or Susies, complete junk aircraft. I was thinking something similar for the Allies would be a fair shake.

EDIT: So I take it this is a bad idea for a mod? [&:]

R8J · Post by **R8J** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 10:34 pm

In real life would not the USA, early in the war, keep better fighters state side? After all they did not know when or where the next Japanese attack would be. Even if they knew the Japs would not attack the west coast they'd still have to keep fighters there to keep the public happy.

I'll admit I don't know anything about the west coast OOB.

So, early in the war, did they keep better aircraft stateside while the squadrons on the front had to make do?

In my game against the AI the front line squadrons have to use up all of the P-26s, P-35s, B-17Cs, B-18s, TBDs et cetera before upgrading.

Historiker · Post by **Historiker** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 11:03 pm

ORIGINAL: Gary Childress

ORIGINAL: RevRick

Aye... Some of the ideas I hear around here sound so low-down-you'd-have-to-get-a-stepladder-to-scratch-a-snake's-belly sneakey......

So far as the groups back stateside, why not equip them with P36s, P-35s, P-43s, etc. if there aren't any true trainers coming. Besides that, wouldn't you want these squadrons flying something that at least might be mistaken for a fighter rather than a trainer?

Well the Japanese are fully capable of downgrading first rate aircraft to Claudes, Nates, Jeans or Susies, complete junk aircraft. I was thinking something similar for the Allies would be a fair shake.

EDIT: So I take it this is a bad idea for a mod? [&:]

The P-26 is in nearly every mod - and never used by more than one unit.
Also, the number of planes is usually lower than 40 - so use it!

You may use the P-26 and totally disarm it. Only the unit in the PI gets the usual P-26 guns by editing the squadron, the P-26 instead is unarmed and available by 500 or more...
Voila, you don't have changed anything significant and have your trainer.

The one P-26 unit may then use the pool for fighting but that shouldn't be a problem. If I play the Japs, I were happy to have an opponent put many P-26 into the sky.
Live training for my Zeros...

88l71 · Post by **88l71** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 1:48 pm

IMHO dirty tricks, training units are one thing and operational fighter squadrons something else entirely, so equipping combat squadrons with trainers sounds REALLY gamey to me.

I'm kinda new to this, but as a Hellcat fanboy (and Corsair non-fanboy) I'd like to see someone make a F6F-5 with realistic performance. (IE correct max speed with more aerodynamic cowling and water injection, and slightly higher maneuver rating due to increased roll rate w/spring-tab alierons)

If anybody knows of the above in any current mods let me know.

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