.30 cal ammo

[Arimus]

I noticed some of my units running out of .30 cal ammo relatively quick, so I did some checking...

The Estab for the .30 cal M1 Rifle lists the ammo load at 60. However, the standard ammo belt had ten pouches and the standard cotton bandolier had 6 (?) pouches. If a soldier carried two bandoliers, with the belt full, thats 176 rounds. Almost 3x what is listed in the Estab.

http://worldwartwozone.com/forums/showt ... ammo-count

[Arimus]

I also noted that the rate of fire, loadout and accuracy for the M1 Garand, Lee-Enfield and the Kar 98 are the same!
 
Also the reliability of the Kar 98 is 0.0048! Lots of broken German Karbines!
 
If I change that to 1.004883 (pretty sure thats what it is supposed to be) will the change take effect in the scenarios?
 

[Arimus]

Oh, and why the min range of 10 meters on a rifle?

[Arjuna]

Good catch on the reliability. That looks like a conversion error. It should be like 0.98. We'll investigate. Thanks.

[zanekin]

Ok ...

So what does mean the 1.004883 reliability of almost every weapons ???

[simovitch]

As far as we can tell this is a floating point anomaly dating back to HTTR. The program reads this number as 100% reliable, but the algorythim that applies reliability to game firepower was disabled for BFTB. We will fix this with the upcoming patch, and no weapons will be 100% reliable.

[simovitch]

ORIGINAL: Arimus

I noticed some of my units running out of .30 cal ammo relatively quick, so I did some checking...

The Estab for the .30 cal M1 Rifle lists the ammo load at 60. However, the standard ammo belt had ten pouches and the standard cotton bandolier had 6 (?) pouches. If a soldier carried two bandoliers, with the belt full, thats 176 rounds. Almost 3x what is listed in the Estab.

I agree, a fully supplied US rifelman in 1944-45 having 176 rounds sounds reasonable. I'll change that.

I'm going to leave the L-E and kar 98 bolt-action rifles where they are, unless someone gives me compelling reasons otherwise.

Weapon ROF should be considered an abstraction of rpm over an hour or so of a typical firefight. It is not meant to represent the actual specified ROF of a weapon. I wanted higher ROF's on some of the semi-automatic weapons but the game designer won the argument.[;)]

[zanekin]

oh...

And what about the weight of the L-E, sMG 42, Bren... 1 Kg ?!? Normally, it does increase the fatigue. No ?

And their size ? It doesn't matter, I suppose.

[TMO]

The amount of ammo taken into combat is something I've been banging on about for years.

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=724740&mpage=1&key=��

My point was that although minimum allocation for the M1 Garand was 80 rnds, when the lead starts to fly you are going to want to take more into action.

With regard to the Lee-Enfield, I uncovered evidence that by 1944 the average British infantryman was taking more than 60 rnds 0.303 into action - the article I quote indicates 195 rnds per man. This extra ammunition was, however, intended for the Bren.

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2221304&mpage=2&key=?

Regards

Tim

[TMO]

Another thought. Does anyone have any information as to whether these 176 rnds were intended solely for the M1 or were a proportion also intended to resupply the BAR?

Regards

Tim

[final_drive]

Another thought. Does anyone have any information as to whether these 176 rnds were intended solely for the M1 or were a proportion also intended to resupply the BAR?

Tim,
From Yves J. Bellanger, 'US Army Infantry Divisions' (Helion & Company), p.65: "The three men in the BAR team were each issued with a Belt, magazine, M1937, BAR, until C1 dated 30 June 1944. From that date only one such belt was issued amongst the three; this change also affected the six weapons in the company headquarters." ('C1' refers to 'Change 1' to the T/O&E 7-17 Infantry Company, Rifle, dated itself 26 February 1944. C1 of 30 June 1944 also inserted the six additional BARs to the Coy HQ)
Such a belt would have contained 12 BAR magazines (20 rounds). No details given on the actual practice in the field, but the above would suggest that, in theory at least, carrying ammo for the BAR was limited to those men in the BAR team only and not done by any others in the squad.