Scale & differences between play in Battlefront & Panzer Campaigns

[Adam Parker]

One question that offers itself, is the whilst SSG's Battlefront and HPS's Panzer Campaigns will have exactly the same scale (1km hexes at Battalion level), how will Battlefront be able to simulate the ebb and flow of battle with only 2 turns per day (ie: approx 12 hour turns)?

Panzer Campaigns offers turns of 2 hours duration (longer at night).

A lot happens in a Panzer Campaigns day as a result. As Panzer Campaigns is movement points based, you can see a unit attack three times per 2 hour turn, or move and fight or fight and assault.

Further, across a Panzer Campaigns day, certain arty may move, require set-up simulating the provisioning of supply and zeroing of sights and then get to fire 0-8? times. In Battlefront a 12 hour turn would mean the movement, positioning and firing of artillery without penalty?

Lots of things to contemplate here! Should older armor for example be able to fire at 1 hex range (ie: non-adjacent)?

Thanks,
Adam.

[wodin]

PzC is mainly company level. Battlefront is Battalion.

We need to wait for an AAR I think.

[Rob Gjessing]

Apart from anything else.. Im sure they are very different games.  They are designed by different companies and use different engines and interfaces.. I dont know if they can actually be compared.  I have looked at some of the HPS stuff before and personally I dont like them. I dont like their interface or their engine.. but thats just my opinion and Im sure some people find them appealing - as Im sure some people will prefer SSG's Battlefront over the HPS games. 

I dont think we should be comparing them.

[Ola Berli]

Sir Wodin,

hmm PZC mainly company level, as a HPS. vet I can not agree on that [:'(]

Just like HPS, SSG do make quality products so I rest asure that the system will
be excellent. What I can agree with You are that more AAR is what we needs.


Kind Regards
Ola

[wodin]

The PzC scenarios I like are company level anyway;)

I like the PzC games as they do give you alot to think about and you have many options to utilise.

I hope this games is the same.

[Adam Parker]

ORIGINAL: wodin

PzC is mainly company level. Battlefront is Battalion.

We need to wait for an AAR I think.

No, PzC is Battalion level Woden! As you know, some units can break down to Coy level at a penalty. "Combat Command" from Shrapnel Games was a Coy level sim.

Anyhow, yeah I agree. We'll have to wait for an AAR from Battlefront to see what's happening there. As Rob says the games will obviously be taking different approaches. But a 12 hour turn - or will that be a 16 hour turn followed an 8 hour night turn??? - will need to see a lot of action occuring in them to make the scale work.

I'd also loved to have seen a different approach to the map - or at least the units with Battlefront - so to make the series look truly different from Decisive Battles, one of my favorite gaming systems.

My initial impression forming, is that Battlefront could be trying to be all things - a mix of the scenario construction engine that TOAW is plus the battle simulator Panzer Campaigns is.

But whilst I pointed out elsewhere this week, where Battlefront seems to be offering just a full campaign ie: Market Garden - Panzer Campaigns' "Market Garden 44" offers 6 full Market Garden campaigns plus 26 other Market Garden related scenarios! The research with PzC is huge. I remember chasing down a map at the Australian War Memorial for HPS's El Alamein 42 regarding the planned railway to Tobruk!

I've no doubt we'll all be getting the full story soon. I hope to be one finding a really different and engrossing twist to Battlefront - but I've just been burned with Koios Work's "Panzer Command Winter Storm" only a week ago (and the "revised" TOAW 3 a week before that!) so sadly for SSG, I've become a buyer-beware sceptic for the short term.

Adam.

[wodin]

I had a feeling about Winter Storm. The more I read before release the more I went off it.

I have played scenarios at coy level in PzC. However I am wrong as PzC is mainly batallion level. Sorry.

I though Battlefront is comig with four scenarios's not just the MG one?

[JSS]

ORIGINAL: wodin

...I though Battlefront is comig with four scenarios's not just the MG one?

Wodin,

There are four different battles (Gazala, MG, Nov., & Saipan) to be included per the announcements.

JSS

[Ola Berli]

Gents,
 
we are talking games aren't we? Huge research or less research....I play HPS games and I like them. But I do
hope Battlefront would come as an alternative. And would be a fun game!
Perhaps I should shut up now before some from the HPS staff is coming with more Phd. historical research [:D]
 
Kind Regards
Ola 
 
 

[Rob Gjessing]

No need to shut up.. I agree with you.. Im sure each of the games serve a need and it will depend on each persons individual tastes to determine which one they prefer.. infact Im sure that many will enjoy both games.  But I can tell you they are vastly different games.  

[wodin]

ORIGINAL: JSS

ORIGINAL: wodin

...I though Battlefront is comig with four scenarios's not just the MG one?

Wodin,

There are four different battles (Gazala, MG, Nov., & Saipan) to be included per the announcements.

JSS

Thought so. Adam said it was only going to be MG.

[Adam Parker]

ORIGINAL: wodin
Thought so. Adam said it was only going to be MG.

Oh I didn't mean to imply otherwise. Nor come across harsh [:)]

I think we need as much consumer info on this one as possible.