German Production

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Die Kriegerin
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German Production

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In researching German armor and air production, I find that they both seem to grow at a wartime economy rate, in both the "41" and "42" games, rather than what really occured.
Luftwaffe production grew by only 7.8% in 1941, from 10,247 in 1940 to 13,005 in 1941. It grew by only 8.3% in 1942, to 15,574. It wasn't until 1943, when Germany went to a wartime economy that aircraft production grew at a pace found in this game. In 1943 production grew 62.4% to 24,947. In 1944 it grew by 61.9% to 40,288, even with the American Bombing. It wasn't until the loss of oil reserves, did production go down by 43.7%, to 7,570.
So, should the German player, who starts the 1941 game producing 34 fighters a week, be able to have that production more than doubled by the begining of the year? Even by the Typhoon scenario, it raised only to 44.
Armor production has the same problems. 462 Pz IVf's were produced from 6-41 to 3-42, an average of 12 a week. 1549 Pz IIIj's were produced from 5-41 to 7-42, an average of 26 a week. 524 Pz IIf's were produced from 5-41 to 12-42, an average of 7 a week. StugIII production all models averaged about 12 until Dec. 1942. Then 7720 were produced by the wars end, an average of 64 a week. 3774 PzIVh's were produced from 6-43 to 7-44, an average of 66 a week.
At first glance, the Soviet armor production is alot closer. The T-60 production averaged about 80 tanks a week in 1941. The T-34 production averaged around 120 in 1941, and the mid 200's by late 1942. KV1 production averaged 38.
I'm still looking For a good source for Soviet air production. If you have one let me know.
So in my opinion, and after reading these figures, maybe your opinion, play balance must first start with limiting German industrial growth during 1941-42, to reflect the political climate.
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Originally posted by Die Kriegerin
So in my opinion, and after reading these figures, maybe your opinion, play balance must first start with limiting German industrial growth during 1941-42, to reflect the political climate.

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Soviet Production

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Here are some Soviet production stats that I have from the book “When Titans Clashed” by David Glantz and Jonathan House. Page 306.

Year
Tanks and Self propelled guns produced
1941 4,700
1942 24,500
1943 24,100
1944 29,000
1945 (Jan-Apr) 16,000
Total 98,300



Year
Guns and Mortars produced

1941 53,600
1942 287,000
1943 126,000
1944 47,300
1945 (Jan-Apr) 11,300
Total 525,200




Year
Combat Aircraft produced

1941 8,200
1942 21,700
1943 29,900
1944 33,200
1945 (Jan-Apr) 8,200
Total 122,100


Hope this helps.
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Post by Die Kriegerin »

Thanks Pico, does your source contain more specific infomation, such as Yak or IL-2 production, for 1941 or 1942? I've found some sites with total war production, but not with tangable time frames.

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Hello!

Some digits for aircraft production 1941-1945years:

Yak-1 - 8721,
LaGG-3 - 6528,
MiG-3 - 5753,
Il-2 - 36163,
Pe-2 - 11427,
Il-4 - 5256,
Pe-8 - 79,
La-5 - 10000 (with modifications),
La-7 - 5753 (with modifications),
Yak-7 - 6399,
Yak-9 - 16769,
Yak-3 - 4848,
Tu-2 - 2527.

It is not so precision amount but can show ratio.

Sorry for my terrible English and beer inner me 8)

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Post by davewolf »

Originally posted by Die Kriegerin
Thanks Pico, does your source contain more specific infomation, such as Yak or IL-2 production, for 1941 or 1942? I've found some sites with total war production, but not with tangable time frames.
Jon

Have a look at this: http://www.acepilots.com/planes/specs.html
At least the fighters are mentioned.

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Hello!

Awfully sorry but I recomends will be very critical with this data. On first look I found two error at least: I-153 was equiped with 4x12.7 MG, not 4x7.62 and bomb amount in soviet fighter may be 400 or 450 kg, not 440 (200 or 250, not 220).

Sorry for my terrible English.

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Some additional data (for men who can read russian: http://klad.hobby.ru/milarch.htm -> Publication ->Alekseenko)

Manufacture in 1941-45:
Germany:
1941 - 2964 fighter, 696 Sturm (I think, Ju-87), 3456 bomber, 1070 recon = 8186
1942: 4908-1092-4428-980 = 11408
1943: 10187 - 2817 - 5019 - 1030 = 19053
1944: 23805 - 4971 - 2596 - 1535 = 32907

Soviet Union
1941 (from 22.06) 3941 - 1061 - 1891 - 1009 (it amount of Po-2 - night bomber and training aircraft) = 6893
1942: 9490 - 7634 - 2578 - 2130 = 19722
1943: 14275 - 11254 - 2672 - 2812 = 28201
1944: 16346 - 10297 - 3165 - 4382 = 29808
1945 (before 09.05) 6635 - 3664 - 1597 - 1585 = 11896

In this article there is table Type/Year of manufacture but it is so large and I haven't enough time for copy (see table 5)

Sorry for my terrible English

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