Question re old CC mods and why should I buy?

[old man of the sea]

Chelco, I'm done with developing computer games. I may get into playing them for the first time in years though. I'm in Police Training now, teaching SWAT teams in CQB tactics and judgemental shooting. Slice the pie, fatal funnel, all that. Yes, the AI cheats, or at least did cheat in many ways in CC. But a lot of that was due to scenario design. If you made scenarios with deployment and victory objectives that are very seperate the AI would not look like it was cheating so bad.
 
We should get together again. I still work at DAS, just out of the entertainment part of the company, thank the gods.
 
I have a gift for you this time.
 
E (another liar, but not a thief)
 
 

[Real and Simulated Wars]

Good to see you are doing great Eric. You always manage to get well paid for having fun! [:'(]

It would be great to get together sometime. I work in Ft. Detrick now, closer to PA but still in MD. I'll PM you.

Regarding CC's AI, it is disheartening to see my perceptions confirmed. To be sincere, I first noticed that effect in CCMarines and then went straight into CC3 and 4 just to see the same thing. Maybe is time for me to start playing against other humans.

Regards,

Julio

[old man of the sea]

I'm not having any fun doing what I do. Too much travel, and well, I'm a hippie biker, so I would never have thought I would be working in law enforcement training.

But yeah, drop me a line. We'll hook up.

E

[Boar]

Some of us will always appreciate the pains you, Eric, took to "do right" by us grognards and provide support for CC5 when
it was basically dumped by KZ. Microsoft's latest excuse for a wargame is the absurd click-fest "Company of Heroes." Even my
19-yr old son didn't care for that one.

As far as improvements to the AI in the single-player experience, if what I've heard and read are true the
change in the AI behavior will be dramatic. The tools provided with the game for editing alone will be worth the price,
as far as I'm concerned. Too bad no one can "spiff up" CC2 for the modern times. Indeed one of my favorite games,
but exruciatingly slow to play as single player at times. CC4 and CC5 also have many improvements over the other games,
but some drawbacks as well that could be corrected. But I understand chances are slim to none for the latter games to be "revised"
so dramatically. I was so shocked and surprised to find out about the COI project -- we truly owe a lot to our CSO Simtek folks. Let's
hope at least those dwelling on these boards will see the wisdom of supporting this great effort. Otherwise, I hope you all enjoy
playing Rainbow Six and Age of Empires clones the rest of your life, 'cause that's all I've seen anyone else offer (exception: Medieval
Total War 2, and RTW, which rock!).

[Lincolns Mullet]

Yes, while I would love to see CC2 updated, in reality the core game was/is fun enough to not warrant the kind of changes we're seeing with CC3.  If I could actually find my CC2 disk I would re-install it.  So I don't think CC2 would of had enough "updates" to it to warrant a price tag CoI is looking at.
 
And Boar, while I haven't played CoH, it's been a "darling" in the eyes of the press and with many gamers, even garnering "Game of the Year" awards.  I've been primarily a PC gamer all my life, but frankly I'm getting sick and tired of upgrading my PC every year to play these new games.  I have a Xbox 360 now, which I paid a flat price for and will run new games on it for 5+ years without needing any upgrades.  These days I have been using my PC for less-intensive gaming, and for games I won't ever see on an Xbox.  My point is, I am more willing to support games distributed by places like Matrix Games and Battlefront because they offer unique and amazing games and will never require me to update my PC.  For the graphic-intensive stuff I'll leave to my Xbox. 

[Boar]

ORIGINAL: Lincolns Mullet

And Boar, while I haven't played CoH, it's been a "darling" in the eyes of the press and with many gamers, even garnering "Game of the Year" awards.  I've been primarily a PC gamer all my life, but frankly I'm getting sick and tired of upgrading my PC every year to play these new games.  I have a Xbox 360 now, which I paid a flat price for and will run new games on it for 5+ years without needing any upgrades.

Au contraire, my friend. What if a game comes out that "pushes the envelope?" An example would be Half-Life 2 and Fear. These games came out and the latest iteration of XBox/Playstation, etc. could not handle graphics at the level of a PC. You also make it sound like you saved a lot of money going this route, but with games costing the same as PC games every time you buy one, there's not much chance for "little games" or add-ons and etc. I'm sure a lot of people love the Xbox, Playstation, and they have their moments. Just don't think you're tricked out to play games that will come out for the PC in the next 5 years. I'd say two years tops.

These days I have been using my PC for less-intensive gaming, and for games I won't ever see on an Xbox.  My point is, I am more willing to support games distributed by places like Matrix Games and Battlefront because they offer unique and amazing games and will never require me to update my PC.  For the graphic-intensive stuff I'll leave to my Xbox. 

Why can't you have both? I have. I've had the same system for a number of years now ... maybe 5 years at least! It's multi-talented, versatile, and can probably still kick butt in most graphics depts. No, I probably couldn't play COH, and wouldn't want to, but for Half Life 3, Stalker: Shadow of Chernobyl, and etc., do you think I'm gonna upgrade my computer? You betcha. And then I can play those games and all the games from the past I enjoyed, burn music CDs, edit documents for work, or play solitaire while I listen to music. Why screw around with second best? Oh, and I also prefer real wargames that offer "realism" in the form of realistic-like data for how guns and armor work in the real
world, not necessarily in how cool buildings look like when they tumble down. And I see few if any games that require much strategic thought on the Xbox. I also prefer the control for good old FPS in PC over console. Just me.

[old man of the sea]

Boar, you have always been one of my favorite fans of CC. Mick, Milkman, Boar, Hof, and so many more. Where have the years gone. It's been 6 years since I left Atomic. I worked there for 10 years. I'm old now.
 
You know, not many people keep in touch with the fan base of thier games. I've always been a fan of the fans.
 
Thanks,
 
E aka Mad Bunny
 
P.S. It may be time to drop the "old man of the sea" and go back to the "Mad Bunny".

[Lincolns Mullet]

As much as I'd enjoy playing the latest and greatest games that push the envelope, I suppose I've lost some of my gaming steam over the years. Take Crysis for example. The game looks amazing and while I would love to play it (assuming it plays as good as it looks), I just don't have it in me to spend hundreds (maybe even a thousand) to upgrade to the latest and greatest PC. The graphics on the 360 are amazing to me, and far better than what my current Geforce 6600 can handle (which I just upgraded to 6 months ago for $130). If I were to upgrade again right now, I'd spend at least another $150 on a vid card ($250+ if I wanted to not upgrade again for 2-3 years) plus a new mobo and PSU to handle it.

I'm a PC gamer at heart, but maybe it's a combination of things that have turned me off to upgrading my PC. Time, money and a lack of high-end games for the PC probably have contributed. There really hasn't been any games I really wanted for the PC that requires more out of my system. Like I said, I tend to play more realistic wargames and older games on my PC these days that require no upgrades whatsover. For newer, flashier games I buy them for the 360. And if you've seen games like CoD3 and Gears of War for the 360, you would need a pretty sweet PC to compare graphics quality to.

So I agree with you, there is definitely room for both the PC and a console like the 360. For someone like myself anyway. I've actually come to enjoy FPS gaming on a console, and there's a lot of games on the console I just won't play or can't play on the PC such as football, baseball, boxing, etc.

Anyway, without getting way off topic, I should try and bring it back a bit. My original statement was basically, "I'll probably buy CoI simply to support games like that, and small time devs and publishers." I did enjoy CC3, but it had a lot to live up to with CC2 and I felt like with some changes it could have been nearly as good, and from reading about CoI it seems like those updates will be just what it needed.

[Andrew Williams]

When I was a kid i used to play with little bristly boar's in my sandpit, when i discovered the CC forums it was like a dream come true.

[Fred98]

Aaaaarg!   he still has those eyes !
 
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[Reiryc]

ORIGINAL: old man of the sea

Boar, you have always been one of my favorite fans of CC. Mick, Milkman, Boar, Hof, and so many more. Where have the years gone. It's been 6 years since I left Atomic. I worked there for 10 years. I'm old now.

You know, not many people keep in touch with the fan base of thier games. I've always been a fan of the fans.

Thanks,

E aka Mad Bunny

P.S. It may be time to drop the "old man of the sea" and go back to the "Mad Bunny".

Yes, time to go back to the mad bunny...

[NimitsTexan]

Double Post . . .

[NimitsTexan]

ORIGINAL: Marc Schwanebeck

Have a look at the release notes:

http://www.closecombat.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6611&d=1165618745

You know, that looks very much like the readme for Real Red . . .

[Andrew Williams]

That's not Nimits of "true green" fame , is it?

[Marc von Martial]

ORIGINAL: NimitsTexan

ORIGINAL: Marc Schwanebeck

Have a look at the release notes:

http://www.closecombat.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6611&d=1165618745

You know, that looks very much like the readme for Real Red . . .

Simtek based COI on Real Red [;)]

[NimitsTexan]

Not sure if I would exactly call it fame . . . [:)], but, yeah I did put together True Green . . .

[Marc von Martial]

ORIGINAL: NimitsTexan

Not sure if I would excatly call it fame . . . [:)], but, yeah I did put together True Green . . .

Ha, welcome Nimits [:D]

[Boar]

ORIGINAL: old man of the sea

Boar, you have always been one of my favorite fans of CC. Mick, Milkman, Boar, Hof, and so many more. Where have the years gone. It's been 6 years since I left Atomic. I worked there for 10 years. I'm old now.
You know, not many people keep in touch with the fan base of thier games. I've always been a fan of the fans.

Wow -- thanks. Kind words from a "Mad bunny!"

Yes, you always have been exceedingly kind and considerate to the "fans." To quote "Crazy Carl" Carl Everett:

I don't care what the fans think about me, because I don't go home with fans. My job is to help my teammates win. ... If they curse me, I curse them. But after that, it's gone. I don't worry about that stuff. Because fan is short for fanatic -- he's crazy about something he really doesn't know about. And it's proven that 99 percent of baseball fans have no idea what they're watching.

--source Maxim July 2005

Yes, baseball and computer gaming can be seen as similar in this regard, but just keep in mind that Carl also believes dinosaurs never existed.

If there's a gamer's heaven, then I'm sure there'll be a Mad Bunny there. But as for gamer's hell ... well, we all know who'll go there!

[Randall Grubb]

Marc Schwanebeck

Simtek based COI on Real Red [;)]

Which was not Simtek's idea in the first place. You know who made that decision.

[NimitsTexan]

Out of curiosity, will CoI use CC4/CC5-style special effects?