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Right now I'm in that phase when you want to chuck the PC out the window.
Ahh, sweet memories...
Moses(AL)Jwilkerson(IJ)
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RE: 10-11 Jan
Ahh, sweet memories...
Where's the Any key?
RE: 10-11 Jan
Of an hour and fifteen minutes ago...[:D]
We are all dreams of the Giant Space Butterfly.
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RE: 10-11 Jan
Why have there been so few fighters on CAP starting the first turn when the Betties showed up? Did you just forget to set the CAP to high levels or was there another reason?
RE: 10-11 Jan
Well one mistake leads to another sometimes.
I had origionally assumed that Rabaul would still be in my possession when my carriers got there. When it fell the mission changed to an evacuation mission which meant that one set of fighters was covering the transports.
Basically I just didn't expect that that many bombers and fighters would be at Rabaul the day after it was taken. Especially since it was a level 3 airbase. I was wrong there. I had two fighter groups on CAP but I guess they just got bad dice rolls. Not that it would have mattered that much with all those zero's.
I'll try and update tonight or tommorow. I did get the next days combat report and my bombardment missions did go in. It looks pretty sweet hitting a level 3 airbase at fort level zero packed with bombers and fighters. I'll have to run the turn to see the details but it looks like I killed easily upwards of 50 front line aircraft. Nothing flew out of Rabaul so my carriers should be safe unless some sub finds them or a bad roll causes light fires to get out of control.
But bottom line----it was a badly planned and executed operation on my part. Jwilkerson must have seen the CV's coming and cleaned my clock.[&:]
I had origionally assumed that Rabaul would still be in my possession when my carriers got there. When it fell the mission changed to an evacuation mission which meant that one set of fighters was covering the transports.
Basically I just didn't expect that that many bombers and fighters would be at Rabaul the day after it was taken. Especially since it was a level 3 airbase. I was wrong there. I had two fighter groups on CAP but I guess they just got bad dice rolls. Not that it would have mattered that much with all those zero's.
I'll try and update tonight or tommorow. I did get the next days combat report and my bombardment missions did go in. It looks pretty sweet hitting a level 3 airbase at fort level zero packed with bombers and fighters. I'll have to run the turn to see the details but it looks like I killed easily upwards of 50 front line aircraft. Nothing flew out of Rabaul so my carriers should be safe unless some sub finds them or a bad roll causes light fires to get out of control.
But bottom line----it was a badly planned and executed operation on my part. Jwilkerson must have seen the CV's coming and cleaned my clock.[&:]
12-15Jan:
12-15 Jan:
Rabaul: The last four days have seen savage fighting around Rabaul: On the down side I have had two carriers badly damaged. Saratoga has 71sys, 25 flood, 4 fire; Lexington is at 66/21/17 with both carriers limping off at 9 to 11 knots towards the Austrailian ports. The CA Louisville, which fought a surface engagement around Rabaul on the 10th actually made it to Port Moresby with 92sys and 87 flood. It's anyones guess if it will survive.
On the upside I have evacuated my Rabaul ground force units. I destoyed 8 or 9 AP's and the biggy...I killed 83 zero's and 75 Nells in four days. About half of these were destroyed on the ground when the packed Rabaul airfield was subjected to surface bombardment.
Obviously this is a defeat but the losses to the Japanese land based air force are significant. I will bombard Rabaul again next turn and then my forces will pull out of the area.
Air War: Japan started the war with about 135 land based zero's. They have now lost 165 zero's, 83 in the last four days. So I assume that Japan has had it's land zero force halved in the last 4 days. In the meantime my land based fighters have been resting. For the war I have done very well in the air and have lost 779 planes to Japans 627. When you take away Dec 7 losses I have achieved a better then 1-1 kill ratio.
I may have a window during which, apart from KB, I may be able to take over air superiority in some portion of the DEI. Japan currently is using its zero's to contend with my B17's/LB30's attacking out of India into the area of Mandalay. It is also working to counter a B25 group which is hitting Jahora Bhuru each day. I believe he has three servicable zero groups: One in Burma, one at Kuantan, and another at Manado (NE of Kendari).
As all of his Nell's left to die at Rabaul, Singapore airfield has gotten a break and now has a fully servicable runway and rapidly dropping airbase damage. He probably doesn't know that I have a big 64 plane B26 group rebuilding in Java.
My plan is to shift this group to Singapore in a couple days and launch a surprise bombardment of Kuantan where he has 60-70 Sallies and one of his precious zero groups. It will go in with only very light fighter cover in order to entice him to counterattack. Hopefully I will crush this airfield in one turn. On the next turn I plan on shifting in 100 or so fighters and see if I can ambush him trying to counterattack. If I'm lucky his two remaining zero groups will be slaughtered in the skies above Singapore. Then perhaps my surface groups, currently based in Java might safely be sent into battle.
Burma: Rangoon fell easily and his troop appraoch Madalay where they begin getting hit by LBA in mass for the first time.
Malaysia: His troops have massed at Jahora Bhuru and should attack any day. My B25's hit his force every day and I hope I can hold for at least a couple battles in order to give my air plan time to work.
N. Austraila: Everything has been taken except Broome which I expect will fall whenever he wants it. My counterattack at Wyndham got nowhere and I have given up on retaking any bases here. My troops continue to demonstrate in order to try and tie his troops to the region.
KB: His carrier force appears to have split up with parts of it sighted North of Broome heading possibly to the Indian Ocean or toward Java.
Rabaul: The last four days have seen savage fighting around Rabaul: On the down side I have had two carriers badly damaged. Saratoga has 71sys, 25 flood, 4 fire; Lexington is at 66/21/17 with both carriers limping off at 9 to 11 knots towards the Austrailian ports. The CA Louisville, which fought a surface engagement around Rabaul on the 10th actually made it to Port Moresby with 92sys and 87 flood. It's anyones guess if it will survive.
On the upside I have evacuated my Rabaul ground force units. I destoyed 8 or 9 AP's and the biggy...I killed 83 zero's and 75 Nells in four days. About half of these were destroyed on the ground when the packed Rabaul airfield was subjected to surface bombardment.
Obviously this is a defeat but the losses to the Japanese land based air force are significant. I will bombard Rabaul again next turn and then my forces will pull out of the area.
Air War: Japan started the war with about 135 land based zero's. They have now lost 165 zero's, 83 in the last four days. So I assume that Japan has had it's land zero force halved in the last 4 days. In the meantime my land based fighters have been resting. For the war I have done very well in the air and have lost 779 planes to Japans 627. When you take away Dec 7 losses I have achieved a better then 1-1 kill ratio.
I may have a window during which, apart from KB, I may be able to take over air superiority in some portion of the DEI. Japan currently is using its zero's to contend with my B17's/LB30's attacking out of India into the area of Mandalay. It is also working to counter a B25 group which is hitting Jahora Bhuru each day. I believe he has three servicable zero groups: One in Burma, one at Kuantan, and another at Manado (NE of Kendari).
As all of his Nell's left to die at Rabaul, Singapore airfield has gotten a break and now has a fully servicable runway and rapidly dropping airbase damage. He probably doesn't know that I have a big 64 plane B26 group rebuilding in Java.
My plan is to shift this group to Singapore in a couple days and launch a surprise bombardment of Kuantan where he has 60-70 Sallies and one of his precious zero groups. It will go in with only very light fighter cover in order to entice him to counterattack. Hopefully I will crush this airfield in one turn. On the next turn I plan on shifting in 100 or so fighters and see if I can ambush him trying to counterattack. If I'm lucky his two remaining zero groups will be slaughtered in the skies above Singapore. Then perhaps my surface groups, currently based in Java might safely be sent into battle.
Burma: Rangoon fell easily and his troop appraoch Madalay where they begin getting hit by LBA in mass for the first time.
Malaysia: His troops have massed at Jahora Bhuru and should attack any day. My B25's hit his force every day and I hope I can hold for at least a couple battles in order to give my air plan time to work.
N. Austraila: Everything has been taken except Broome which I expect will fall whenever he wants it. My counterattack at Wyndham got nowhere and I have given up on retaking any bases here. My troops continue to demonstrate in order to try and tie his troops to the region.
KB: His carrier force appears to have split up with parts of it sighted North of Broome heading possibly to the Indian Ocean or toward Java.
RE: 12-15Jan:
That IS going pretty well for you. Nice one!
We are all dreams of the Giant Space Butterfly.
RE: 12-15Jan:
16-17 Jan:
Malaysia: I expect an attack here any day. In fact I wonder why it has not already occured. I assume he has been waiting for his 4th division which has now arrived. So it's a good bet he will attack next turn. I would predict about a 2-1 shock attack but I have been surprised repeatedly in this game so maybe he will get 6-1 and drive me out in one turn.
It does not matter as my plan will go into effect in either case. My bombers have transfered into Singapore this turn and will try and pound Kuntan from where he bombs Jahore Bhuru with Oscar's and Sallies. I have 26 B-26's and an assortment of Martins'/Hudson's and one torpedoe bomber group to try and get the CA's there as well. I also have one group of SBD's which will hit Jahore Bhuru and try to reduce his odds a bit.
On the next turn I will bring in fighters from all quarters and try and beat off his counterattack. We will see what will happen.
Also almost every surface ship in the British/Dutch Navy is headed toward Jahora Bhuru. They will bombard and then retreat to Singapore. Then do it again. We will see if he has enough Betties/Nells left to hurt me.
This may be the decisive battle.
Kendari: A large force moves towards this base. We will see if my 155mmCD's,(purcheased at 10,000 sp. apiece have any effect.
China: He appears to be moving east from Yenen towards Kungchang and Langchow. I'm happy as my ground and air forces are ready to meet this thrust. I predict that he will stall along this axis and waste critical time.
PI: I have reported little from this theater as very little has happened. I believe he has only three divisions in theater. 2 in Manila and one in the North. This is an insufficient force to make progress and I will hold forever until reinforcements arrive.
Malaysia: I expect an attack here any day. In fact I wonder why it has not already occured. I assume he has been waiting for his 4th division which has now arrived. So it's a good bet he will attack next turn. I would predict about a 2-1 shock attack but I have been surprised repeatedly in this game so maybe he will get 6-1 and drive me out in one turn.
It does not matter as my plan will go into effect in either case. My bombers have transfered into Singapore this turn and will try and pound Kuntan from where he bombs Jahore Bhuru with Oscar's and Sallies. I have 26 B-26's and an assortment of Martins'/Hudson's and one torpedoe bomber group to try and get the CA's there as well. I also have one group of SBD's which will hit Jahore Bhuru and try to reduce his odds a bit.
On the next turn I will bring in fighters from all quarters and try and beat off his counterattack. We will see what will happen.
Also almost every surface ship in the British/Dutch Navy is headed toward Jahora Bhuru. They will bombard and then retreat to Singapore. Then do it again. We will see if he has enough Betties/Nells left to hurt me.
This may be the decisive battle.
Kendari: A large force moves towards this base. We will see if my 155mmCD's,(purcheased at 10,000 sp. apiece have any effect.
China: He appears to be moving east from Yenen towards Kungchang and Langchow. I'm happy as my ground and air forces are ready to meet this thrust. I predict that he will stall along this axis and waste critical time.
PI: I have reported little from this theater as very little has happened. I believe he has only three divisions in theater. 2 in Manila and one in the North. This is an insufficient force to make progress and I will hold forever until reinforcements arrive.
18-19 Jan
18-19 Jan: The decisive battle is at hand.
18th in Malaya: I shifted my Bombers into Singapore and hit Kuantan. The result 15 Sally's and 5 Oscar's destroyed on the ground. SBD's and some B17's hit Jahor Bhuru and it was enough to slow his attack. His shock attack comes up short.
Japanese Shock attack at Johore Bahru
Attacking force 106308 troops, 1014 guns, 403 vehicles, Assault Value = 1972
Defending force 35157 troops, 258 guns, 12 vehicles, Assault Value = 647
Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 3
Japanese max assault: 3776 - adjusted assault: 158
Allied max defense: 591 - adjusted defense: 897
Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 3)
Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 3
Japanese ground losses:-------------------------Allied ground losses:
3019 casualties reported-------------------------1165 casualties reported
Guns lost 49---------------------------------------Guns lost 23
Vehicles lost 7-------------------------------------Vehicles lost 1
The only down side to the day is that he massed 88 zero's in Burma and caught the AVG flat footed in Mandalay. I lose 20 p40B's to his 4 zero's.
19th in Malaya: Prinz of Wales and Repulse hit Jahore Bahru causing light casualties but together with my SBD's I think they get the signal that I intend to hold here. My bombers hit Kuantan again and then he attacks Singapore with just Oscar's in support. Japan runs into heavy fighter cover and the Oscar's are butchered. My bombers fight through moderate opposition (only 6 zero's) to blow up more Sallies on the ground. The result is 21 Sally's and 18 more Oscar's destroyed. He sends 90 zero's, 60 Oscar's and 60 Nells toward Mandelay and hits air. 1 P40B destroyed on the ground.
Tommorrow in Malaya: I think he has finnally realized that I'm in here in force and seems to have shifted everything to Kuantan. My recon reports over 100 fighter, 100 bombers, and 187 auxuileries?? I expect that all his zero's and multitudes of bombers will be filling the skies. I have sent my BB's toward Kuantan!!!!! They should make it by nightfall and if the bombardment goes in it could be spectacular. I have 91 fighters at Singapore now but they will be no match for the zero's if my BB's don't do their work.
If all goes as planed: My BB's will hit Kuantan during the night killing dozens of zero's. The remaining Japanese aircraft attack and are torn apart by my fighters. The Renown TF is also in the area and will bombard Jahora Bhuru today. A third bombarment TF and a massive resupply convoy also approach Singapore. With the Japanese air force neutralized the Japanese army is bombarded from the air and sea on a daily basis. Malaya could actually hold indefinately.
Or it could go all wrong: My bombardment TF fails to go in as planed. When the sun rises, 100 Betties escorted by 90 zero's attack my surface fleet. The likely result is not something I want to think about.
Other news: He has landed here in force at Kendari. As usual he has massive superiority at the point of attack and there is nothing I can do. He has also made small landings at Tarawa and surrounding islands. They appear to be unsupported AK's and as luck would have it I have a small TF (1 CA and 1 DD) sitting 300 miles away. They will investigate these landings tommorow.
Here are the Japanese air loses as of the morning of 20 Jan:
18th in Malaya: I shifted my Bombers into Singapore and hit Kuantan. The result 15 Sally's and 5 Oscar's destroyed on the ground. SBD's and some B17's hit Jahor Bhuru and it was enough to slow his attack. His shock attack comes up short.
Japanese Shock attack at Johore Bahru
Attacking force 106308 troops, 1014 guns, 403 vehicles, Assault Value = 1972
Defending force 35157 troops, 258 guns, 12 vehicles, Assault Value = 647
Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 3
Japanese max assault: 3776 - adjusted assault: 158
Allied max defense: 591 - adjusted defense: 897
Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 3)
Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 3
Japanese ground losses:-------------------------Allied ground losses:
3019 casualties reported-------------------------1165 casualties reported
Guns lost 49---------------------------------------Guns lost 23
Vehicles lost 7-------------------------------------Vehicles lost 1
The only down side to the day is that he massed 88 zero's in Burma and caught the AVG flat footed in Mandalay. I lose 20 p40B's to his 4 zero's.
19th in Malaya: Prinz of Wales and Repulse hit Jahore Bahru causing light casualties but together with my SBD's I think they get the signal that I intend to hold here. My bombers hit Kuantan again and then he attacks Singapore with just Oscar's in support. Japan runs into heavy fighter cover and the Oscar's are butchered. My bombers fight through moderate opposition (only 6 zero's) to blow up more Sallies on the ground. The result is 21 Sally's and 18 more Oscar's destroyed. He sends 90 zero's, 60 Oscar's and 60 Nells toward Mandelay and hits air. 1 P40B destroyed on the ground.
Tommorrow in Malaya: I think he has finnally realized that I'm in here in force and seems to have shifted everything to Kuantan. My recon reports over 100 fighter, 100 bombers, and 187 auxuileries?? I expect that all his zero's and multitudes of bombers will be filling the skies. I have sent my BB's toward Kuantan!!!!! They should make it by nightfall and if the bombardment goes in it could be spectacular. I have 91 fighters at Singapore now but they will be no match for the zero's if my BB's don't do their work.
If all goes as planed: My BB's will hit Kuantan during the night killing dozens of zero's. The remaining Japanese aircraft attack and are torn apart by my fighters. The Renown TF is also in the area and will bombard Jahora Bhuru today. A third bombarment TF and a massive resupply convoy also approach Singapore. With the Japanese air force neutralized the Japanese army is bombarded from the air and sea on a daily basis. Malaya could actually hold indefinately.
Or it could go all wrong: My bombardment TF fails to go in as planed. When the sun rises, 100 Betties escorted by 90 zero's attack my surface fleet. The likely result is not something I want to think about.
Other news: He has landed here in force at Kendari. As usual he has massive superiority at the point of attack and there is nothing I can do. He has also made small landings at Tarawa and surrounding islands. They appear to be unsupported AK's and as luck would have it I have a small TF (1 CA and 1 DD) sitting 300 miles away. They will investigate these landings tommorow.
Here are the Japanese air loses as of the morning of 20 Jan:
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RE: 20-22 Jan
20-22 Jan:
Malaya: The decisive battle is rained out!!!!
20 Jan: My bombardment group hits Kuantan killing a 1000 troops and a dozen aircraft. But no planes fly. At Jahora Bhuru I bombard from the sea and he launches another bloody shock attack-again getting 1 to 1 odds.
21 Jan: Large air battles are fought over Kuantan and Singapore as Japan has finally shifted his aircraft from Burma:
Day Air attack on Kuantan
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 36
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 26
Allied aircraftCW-21B Demon x 3
Buffalo I x 6
Martin 139 x 13
Hudson I x 3
P-40B Tomahawk x 6
B-26B Marauder x 33
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed, 6 damaged
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 3 destroyed, 1 damaged
Ki-21 Sally: 4 destroyed
Ki-15 Babs: 1 destroyed
G3M Nell: 2 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
CW-21B Demon: 2 destroyed
Buffalo I: 6 destroyed
Martin 139: 2 destroyed, 5 damaged
P-40B Tomahawk: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged
B-26B Marauder: 7 destroyed, 11 damaged
Japanese ground losses:
21 casualties reported
Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 12
Day Air attack on Singapore
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 93
Allied aircraft
CW-21B Demon x 8
Buffalo I x 21
Hurricane II x 6
P-35A x 8
P-40B Tomahawk x 13
P-40E Warhawk x 21
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 21 destroyed, 5 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
CW-21B Demon: 7 destroyed
Buffalo I: 15 destroyed
Hurricane II: 4 destroyed
P-35A: 8 destroyed
P-40B Tomahawk: 12 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 16 destroyed
59 Jap to 90 allied planes are lost on the day. 28 zero's die. Jahoru Bhuru is hit by two bombardment and an air attack today.
22 Jan: Japan has moved a big surface grroup to Kunatan so there will be no more bombardments there. Another big air battle is fought over Singapore::
Day Air attack on TF, near Singapore
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 18
G3M Nell x 15
G4M1 Betty x 4
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 12
Ki-21 Sally x 16
Allied aircraft
Hawk 75A x 16
CW-21B Demon x 3
Brewster 339D x 4
Buffalo I x 14
P-35A x 3
P-40E Warhawk x 22
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 6 destroyed, 2 damaged
G3M Nell: 3 destroyed, 6 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 4 damaged
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 9 destroyed
Ki-21 Sally: 3 destroyed, 2 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
Hawk 75A: 9 destroyed
CW-21B Demon: 2 destroyed
Brewster 339D: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
Buffalo I: 4 destroyed, 1 damaged
P-35A: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
P-40E Warhawk: 5 destroyed, 5 damaged
Allied Ships
DD Scout, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
CL Tromp
CL De Ruyter
DD Pope
CL Marblehead
CA Houston, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
In addition to this battle I send my heavy bombers to Rangoon where they destroy 20 Oscars and 15 Nell's on the ground. For the day Japan losses 66 planes to my 38.
I've decided to withdraw for a bit. He rested his big zero force last turn and I'm afraid it will arrive this turn with lot's of Betties. He has bombed Clark field or Manila every day for a month with between 75-100 Nell's or Betties. On the 22nd they did not appear. I'm thinking they will be over Singapore on the 23rd.
My surface ships have headed to Palembang and all my fighters have pulled out. I left a very large transport fleet unloading in Singapore. It will probably be massacred but I want the supplies and AK's are in ample supply. Plus it will draw the Betty/Nells into flak range. My fighters are now in Java taking on replacements and preparing to jump back into Singapore as early as the 24th.
PI: Action here as his forces botch their entry into Clark field. Some of his units crossed the river prematurely on the 21st and were defeated easily. My shock attack on the 22nd then coincided with the entry of the rest of his forces. Those that came across the river made another shock attack which was crushed. Then my attack retreated his main force (1 division and an Ind BDE) and drove it across the river. He has inadequate force in the area and that attack will not help.
Kendari falls easily: Those 150mm CD's were not worth the 20,000 supply points.
CV's vs subs: I had 2 CV's retreating toward Cain's and Townsville with around 70 systems damage each. On the 20th the Saratoga was hit by a torpedo. I assumed it was a goner and I'm sure Jwilkerson does also but when I checked it had lost only one!!!! additional sys dam. point and a little flooding. It is now safe in the port of Cains. On the 21st the Lexington was hit by two torpedoes and had a ammo magazine explosion. Surely this ship was doomed as it had 66 sys dam to start with. But it has survived and made it to Townsville. I don't know for sure if it will survive. It has 87 system dam and 60 flood dam. But by getting to port I saved all the air groups which are now offloaded.
Tarawa: He finally took these islands but it just happened that I had a CA and a DD in the vicinity. I attacked and in a sharp battle sank a CL. The first significant combat ship sunk in the war. Only a few destroyers have been sunk so far. As compensation my CA Louisville succumbed at Port Moresby. It had been in port several days but proved unsalvagable.
Malaya: The decisive battle is rained out!!!!
20 Jan: My bombardment group hits Kuantan killing a 1000 troops and a dozen aircraft. But no planes fly. At Jahora Bhuru I bombard from the sea and he launches another bloody shock attack-again getting 1 to 1 odds.
21 Jan: Large air battles are fought over Kuantan and Singapore as Japan has finally shifted his aircraft from Burma:
Day Air attack on Kuantan
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 36
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 26
Allied aircraftCW-21B Demon x 3
Buffalo I x 6
Martin 139 x 13
Hudson I x 3
P-40B Tomahawk x 6
B-26B Marauder x 33
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed, 6 damaged
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 3 destroyed, 1 damaged
Ki-21 Sally: 4 destroyed
Ki-15 Babs: 1 destroyed
G3M Nell: 2 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
CW-21B Demon: 2 destroyed
Buffalo I: 6 destroyed
Martin 139: 2 destroyed, 5 damaged
P-40B Tomahawk: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged
B-26B Marauder: 7 destroyed, 11 damaged
Japanese ground losses:
21 casualties reported
Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 12
Day Air attack on Singapore
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 93
Allied aircraft
CW-21B Demon x 8
Buffalo I x 21
Hurricane II x 6
P-35A x 8
P-40B Tomahawk x 13
P-40E Warhawk x 21
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 21 destroyed, 5 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
CW-21B Demon: 7 destroyed
Buffalo I: 15 destroyed
Hurricane II: 4 destroyed
P-35A: 8 destroyed
P-40B Tomahawk: 12 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 16 destroyed
59 Jap to 90 allied planes are lost on the day. 28 zero's die. Jahoru Bhuru is hit by two bombardment and an air attack today.
22 Jan: Japan has moved a big surface grroup to Kunatan so there will be no more bombardments there. Another big air battle is fought over Singapore::
Day Air attack on TF, near Singapore
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 18
G3M Nell x 15
G4M1 Betty x 4
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 12
Ki-21 Sally x 16
Allied aircraft
Hawk 75A x 16
CW-21B Demon x 3
Brewster 339D x 4
Buffalo I x 14
P-35A x 3
P-40E Warhawk x 22
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 6 destroyed, 2 damaged
G3M Nell: 3 destroyed, 6 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 4 damaged
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 9 destroyed
Ki-21 Sally: 3 destroyed, 2 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
Hawk 75A: 9 destroyed
CW-21B Demon: 2 destroyed
Brewster 339D: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
Buffalo I: 4 destroyed, 1 damaged
P-35A: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
P-40E Warhawk: 5 destroyed, 5 damaged
Allied Ships
DD Scout, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
CL Tromp
CL De Ruyter
DD Pope
CL Marblehead
CA Houston, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
In addition to this battle I send my heavy bombers to Rangoon where they destroy 20 Oscars and 15 Nell's on the ground. For the day Japan losses 66 planes to my 38.
I've decided to withdraw for a bit. He rested his big zero force last turn and I'm afraid it will arrive this turn with lot's of Betties. He has bombed Clark field or Manila every day for a month with between 75-100 Nell's or Betties. On the 22nd they did not appear. I'm thinking they will be over Singapore on the 23rd.
My surface ships have headed to Palembang and all my fighters have pulled out. I left a very large transport fleet unloading in Singapore. It will probably be massacred but I want the supplies and AK's are in ample supply. Plus it will draw the Betty/Nells into flak range. My fighters are now in Java taking on replacements and preparing to jump back into Singapore as early as the 24th.
PI: Action here as his forces botch their entry into Clark field. Some of his units crossed the river prematurely on the 21st and were defeated easily. My shock attack on the 22nd then coincided with the entry of the rest of his forces. Those that came across the river made another shock attack which was crushed. Then my attack retreated his main force (1 division and an Ind BDE) and drove it across the river. He has inadequate force in the area and that attack will not help.
Kendari falls easily: Those 150mm CD's were not worth the 20,000 supply points.
CV's vs subs: I had 2 CV's retreating toward Cain's and Townsville with around 70 systems damage each. On the 20th the Saratoga was hit by a torpedo. I assumed it was a goner and I'm sure Jwilkerson does also but when I checked it had lost only one!!!! additional sys dam. point and a little flooding. It is now safe in the port of Cains. On the 21st the Lexington was hit by two torpedoes and had a ammo magazine explosion. Surely this ship was doomed as it had 66 sys dam to start with. But it has survived and made it to Townsville. I don't know for sure if it will survive. It has 87 system dam and 60 flood dam. But by getting to port I saved all the air groups which are now offloaded.
Tarawa: He finally took these islands but it just happened that I had a CA and a DD in the vicinity. I attacked and in a sharp battle sank a CL. The first significant combat ship sunk in the war. Only a few destroyers have been sunk so far. As compensation my CA Louisville succumbed at Port Moresby. It had been in port several days but proved unsalvagable.
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RE: 20-22 Jan
CV's vs subs: I had 2 CV's retreating toward Cain's and Townsville with around 70 systems damage each. On the 20th the Saratoga was hit by a torpedo. I assumed it was a goner and I'm sure Jwilkerson does also but when I checked it lost only one!!!! additional sys dam point and a little flooding. It is now safe in the port of Cains. On the 21st the Lexington was hit by two torpedoes and had a ammo magazine explosion. Surly this ship was doomed as it had 66 sys dam to start with. But it has survived and made it to Townsville. I don't know for sure if it will survive. It has 87 system dam and 60 flood dam. But by getting to port I saved all the air groups which are now offloaded.
Did you start converting any of your AK's to AR's??
I usually do so from day 1 with those at San Fran. [:D]
You will need them when your CV's hit their 7/42 upgrades. Plus, they are nice to have when you "really" start to be aggressive. [;)]
Don't feel that you can just throw away your AK's. Andy Mac is short of them by late '44. [:(]
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I've upgraded a few AK's to AR's and other ships. Maybe a dozen.
I try not to throw my AK's away. In this case I thought it was worth the sacrifice:
Number 1, I need the supply in order to make a stand.
Number 2, those bombers are going to hit something during the two turns I plan on my fighters being away. Jwilkerson sets his planes on naval bombardment with secondary to hit airfields or bases. At least I suspect so because he normally only hits airfields during the second air phase. So if there is nothing to bomb he will hit the airfield which would upset my plan.
If 10 AK's keep his air force occupied for 2 days and still delivers 20-30 K of supply that seems to be worth the sacrifice.[8D]
In my game against John III, I started to get short on AK's. But he took about every island except Hawaii and ranged far and long to find my convoys with his carriers. There were at least two times when he found 100 ship convoys far from shore. Ouch!!!!
I try not to throw my AK's away. In this case I thought it was worth the sacrifice:
Number 1, I need the supply in order to make a stand.
Number 2, those bombers are going to hit something during the two turns I plan on my fighters being away. Jwilkerson sets his planes on naval bombardment with secondary to hit airfields or bases. At least I suspect so because he normally only hits airfields during the second air phase. So if there is nothing to bomb he will hit the airfield which would upset my plan.
If 10 AK's keep his air force occupied for 2 days and still delivers 20-30 K of supply that seems to be worth the sacrifice.[8D]
In my game against John III, I started to get short on AK's. But he took about every island except Hawaii and ranged far and long to find my convoys with his carriers. There were at least two times when he found 100 ship convoys far from shore. Ouch!!!!
RE: 20-22 Jan
23 Jan:
Malaya: His sent 94 zero's and about 120 bombers to Singapore. The fighters all struck air and the bombers had to satisfy themselves with the transports that I had left behind. They struck hard but only sunk two AK's and severly damaged two others. 5 of the remaining 6 have light to moderate damage. But Singapore now has 34,000 supply and more will offload tonight before the bombers come again.
Another attack went in at Jahore Bhuru and it's looks as though the end is well in sight.
Japanese Shock attack at Johore Bahru
Attacking force 106970 troops, 862 guns, 390 vehicles, AV = 1837
Defending force 32271 troops, 199 guns, 7 vehicles, Assault Value = 579
Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 2
Japanese max assault: 3730 - adjusted assault: 1663
Allied max defense: 527 - adjusted defense: 1201
Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 2)
Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 2
Japanese ground losses:-----------------Allied ground losses:
2364 casualties reported-----------------2788 casualties reported
Guns lost 65-------------------------------Guns lost 57
Vehicles lost 2-----------------------------Vehicles lost 1
I've made the decision to pull out using a follow command to try and get everything out in one turn. Normally he does not attack in consecutive turns and even if he does I may well hold one more time. I hope to get my troops into Singapore in good order so that he will have to make the river crossing against a strong force.
On the 24th I will still cede the skies to Japan. On the 25th I intend to shift all my fighters back. I will also send my surface fleet to hit Jahora Bhuru once it is in Japanese hands.
The great thing about this game is that at this point I really don't know what will happen. Japan's 4 divisions in Malaya have fought hard and endured many bloody shock attacks, repeated air bombardments and 4 Naval bombardments. In Singapore I have every unit that started in Singapore. None were cut off and lost. My most damaged units have been sitting in Singapore for two weeks just replenishing. I have quite a lot of supply. If my units manage to retreat in good order they may be too much for the Japanese coming across that river.
I've seen post's on the boards claiming frightening casualties to units crossing the river to Singapore. But who can predict what will happen?
Malaya: His sent 94 zero's and about 120 bombers to Singapore. The fighters all struck air and the bombers had to satisfy themselves with the transports that I had left behind. They struck hard but only sunk two AK's and severly damaged two others. 5 of the remaining 6 have light to moderate damage. But Singapore now has 34,000 supply and more will offload tonight before the bombers come again.
Another attack went in at Jahore Bhuru and it's looks as though the end is well in sight.
Japanese Shock attack at Johore Bahru
Attacking force 106970 troops, 862 guns, 390 vehicles, AV = 1837
Defending force 32271 troops, 199 guns, 7 vehicles, Assault Value = 579
Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 2
Japanese max assault: 3730 - adjusted assault: 1663
Allied max defense: 527 - adjusted defense: 1201
Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 2)
Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 2
Japanese ground losses:-----------------Allied ground losses:
2364 casualties reported-----------------2788 casualties reported
Guns lost 65-------------------------------Guns lost 57
Vehicles lost 2-----------------------------Vehicles lost 1
I've made the decision to pull out using a follow command to try and get everything out in one turn. Normally he does not attack in consecutive turns and even if he does I may well hold one more time. I hope to get my troops into Singapore in good order so that he will have to make the river crossing against a strong force.
On the 24th I will still cede the skies to Japan. On the 25th I intend to shift all my fighters back. I will also send my surface fleet to hit Jahora Bhuru once it is in Japanese hands.
The great thing about this game is that at this point I really don't know what will happen. Japan's 4 divisions in Malaya have fought hard and endured many bloody shock attacks, repeated air bombardments and 4 Naval bombardments. In Singapore I have every unit that started in Singapore. None were cut off and lost. My most damaged units have been sitting in Singapore for two weeks just replenishing. I have quite a lot of supply. If my units manage to retreat in good order they may be too much for the Japanese coming across that river.
I've seen post's on the boards claiming frightening casualties to units crossing the river to Singapore. But who can predict what will happen?
RE: 20-22 Jan
24 Jan:
Malaysia:
Two days ago I left 12 AK's and 2 MSW on their own in Singapore. Japan came as expected with 228 sorties of Nell/Betty/Sally. Amazingly I still have one ship only lightly damaged with 3 more hanging on in port. But the supplies got through and Singapore has 40,000 supplies and an undamaged air base.
Tomorrow all my troops at Jahore Bhuru will move to Singapore. Japan bombarded today and my units all have 46 miles on rail hexes so I'm sure they'll move. I will have a very solid force defending Singapore and it will be interesting to see how the river crossing goes.
My air force returns as well. About 50 B17/LB30 will fly from Singapore to the big fighter base at Khota Bhuru. He has about 90 zero's there which are flying sweep missions over Singapore. When they do their sweep tommorrow they will be met with about 100 of my best fighters. All with full morale and respectable experience levels. I hope the zero's are a bit tired as they've been flying this five hex sweep every turn. Then after a tough battle they will return to a bombed out airfield. I might even get lucky and my bombers will hit during the PM phase. Even better, perhaps his zero's will return to Burma and his bombers will come with only light escort!!!!! I can always dream.[:D][:D]
My surface fleet prepares for a mass bombardment of Jahora Bhuru on the 26th which should be the first turn in which they own the base. Level zero forts with over 100,000 troops getting hit by 3 BB's and masses of CA's/DD's. Hmmmmmmm.
Burma: He shock attacks with a single division at Mandalay and almost retreats my whole force falling just short of 2-1. He took heavy losses (2300 to my 150) so I think I'll have a turn or two before he attacks again. But once his other division reaches Mandalay I'm toast. My attempts at a forward defence earlier in the game just wore my troops here out. They have nothing left.
CV watch: The Saratoga is safe. 73 sys dam but no fires or flood. Lex reached a level 5 port two days ago with 87sys and 60 flood. It now has 87sys and 56 flood. This is not nearly fast enough for me and I click on Townsville each turn dreading an unlucky die roll.
Port Moresby: I've decided to hold this base despite the risks. The 1st Marine division is en route and will unload over the next three days covered by F4F's from my damaged carriers.
Malaysia:
Two days ago I left 12 AK's and 2 MSW on their own in Singapore. Japan came as expected with 228 sorties of Nell/Betty/Sally. Amazingly I still have one ship only lightly damaged with 3 more hanging on in port. But the supplies got through and Singapore has 40,000 supplies and an undamaged air base.
Tomorrow all my troops at Jahore Bhuru will move to Singapore. Japan bombarded today and my units all have 46 miles on rail hexes so I'm sure they'll move. I will have a very solid force defending Singapore and it will be interesting to see how the river crossing goes.
My air force returns as well. About 50 B17/LB30 will fly from Singapore to the big fighter base at Khota Bhuru. He has about 90 zero's there which are flying sweep missions over Singapore. When they do their sweep tommorrow they will be met with about 100 of my best fighters. All with full morale and respectable experience levels. I hope the zero's are a bit tired as they've been flying this five hex sweep every turn. Then after a tough battle they will return to a bombed out airfield. I might even get lucky and my bombers will hit during the PM phase. Even better, perhaps his zero's will return to Burma and his bombers will come with only light escort!!!!! I can always dream.[:D][:D]
My surface fleet prepares for a mass bombardment of Jahora Bhuru on the 26th which should be the first turn in which they own the base. Level zero forts with over 100,000 troops getting hit by 3 BB's and masses of CA's/DD's. Hmmmmmmm.
Burma: He shock attacks with a single division at Mandalay and almost retreats my whole force falling just short of 2-1. He took heavy losses (2300 to my 150) so I think I'll have a turn or two before he attacks again. But once his other division reaches Mandalay I'm toast. My attempts at a forward defence earlier in the game just wore my troops here out. They have nothing left.
CV watch: The Saratoga is safe. 73 sys dam but no fires or flood. Lex reached a level 5 port two days ago with 87sys and 60 flood. It now has 87sys and 56 flood. This is not nearly fast enough for me and I click on Townsville each turn dreading an unlucky die roll.
Port Moresby: I've decided to hold this base despite the risks. The 1st Marine division is en route and will unload over the next three days covered by F4F's from my damaged carriers.
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RE: 20-22 Jan
Port Moresby: I've decided to hold this base despite the risks. The 1st Marine division is en route and will unload over the next three days covered by F4F's from my damaged carriers.
Placing the BEST Allied division for some time here is a big gamble. Hope it pays off for you.
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A Naval HQ like SoPac plus several ARs in port should solve that flood damage.ORIGINAL: moses
CV watch: The Saratoga is safe. 73 sys dam but no fires or flood. Lex reached a level 5 port two days ago with 87sys and 60 flood. It now has 87sys and 56 flood. This is not nearly fast enough for me and I click on Townsville each turn dreading an unlucky die roll.
Pat
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RE: 20-22 Jan
ORIGINAL: ny59giants
Placing the BEST Allied division for some time here is a big gamble. Hope it pays off for you.
You're right and I'm already worried as he bombed the base with 25 Nells and 25 Betties on the 25th. Where does he get all these planes!!!!
The idea is to maintain PM as an active airbase so that I can fight him with my limitless supply of F4F's and with the various large fighter formations which are now arriving in theater. I want to keep attritting his pilot's.
If he is able to simply shut down the base then holding PM doesn't do me much good. I will have to see how much damage was done by his bombers last turn. (I've only seen the combat report). I don't see how he could have done that much damage since he is either flying all the way from Truk or from the small airbases at Rabaul and Lae.
My F4F's will be flying next turn over PM and we will see how they fare against his attack.
RE: 20-22 Jan
ORIGINAL: patrickl
A Naval HQ like SoPac plus several ARs in port should solve that flood damage.ORIGINAL: moses
CV watch: The Saratoga is safe. 73 sys dam but no fires or flood. Lex reached a level 5 port two days ago with 87sys and 60 flood. It now has 87sys and 56 flood. This is not nearly fast enough for me and I click on Townsville each turn dreading an unlucky die roll.
Pat
Thanks.[:D][:D] Had I planned on getting my ass kicked so early in the game I would have those on hand!!!![:D][:D][:D]
We were planning for victory!!!!?[8|]
RE: 20-22 Jan
25 Jan:
Malaysia: Huge air battles in the area. My heavy bombers attack and do damage but fail to catch much on the ground. Over Singapore hundreds of fighters stuggle. In the end however Japan comes out on top. They lose 26 zero's and 20 Oscars but destroy literally every allied fighter at the base. 140 allied planes die today against 75 Japanese aircraft. My fighters will all head back to Java to regroup once more. I assume that he will close the airfield within a day or two.
At Jahora Bhuru only one BDE of mine stays behind for the Japanese shock attack. It is driven out easily and it looks like 4 Japanese armor units are already in Singapore. The question is will Japan follow with the remainder of their forces and risk the river crossing in their current state. I will send in heavy naval and air bombardments tommorrow which may result in him crossing the river in a highly disrupted state. If he decides to pause then his armor units will be routed by my del. attack.
I don't know how my ships will fare against his torpedo bombers after their bombardment. The bombers should be tired and have low experience. (I've killed so many). I have CAP up and there are so many ships that he won't be able to concentrate on one. Once this bombardment is over I plan on pulling the ships out of theater either to India or more likely to the south Pacific.
Its possible that he will engage me at Jahora Bhuru with his surface fleet. As a precaution I sent one small bombardment force (4 DD's) toward Mersing to draw off any reaction move. But he may move there on his own since I'm fairly sure he see's my ships coming. In that case we will have an interesting battle and I have some torpedo bombers in Singapore to pick off any resulting cripples.
Port Moresby: The marine division will go ashore tommorow. Also I have F4F's flying CAP and I will see how they do against the zero's flying from LAE and Rabaul.
CV watch: Lex drops to 87sys, 49 flood. I'm mounting a major ASW effort in the area to make sure any subs there are on the run. I worry that at any moment Jwilkerson may send KB toward the Austrailian coast to catch my crippled carriers. Surely he knows where they are. I can only hope he believes they are already sunk. I want to be able to move those carriers to a safer place as soon as they can safely get underway.
Malaysia: Huge air battles in the area. My heavy bombers attack and do damage but fail to catch much on the ground. Over Singapore hundreds of fighters stuggle. In the end however Japan comes out on top. They lose 26 zero's and 20 Oscars but destroy literally every allied fighter at the base. 140 allied planes die today against 75 Japanese aircraft. My fighters will all head back to Java to regroup once more. I assume that he will close the airfield within a day or two.
At Jahora Bhuru only one BDE of mine stays behind for the Japanese shock attack. It is driven out easily and it looks like 4 Japanese armor units are already in Singapore. The question is will Japan follow with the remainder of their forces and risk the river crossing in their current state. I will send in heavy naval and air bombardments tommorrow which may result in him crossing the river in a highly disrupted state. If he decides to pause then his armor units will be routed by my del. attack.
I don't know how my ships will fare against his torpedo bombers after their bombardment. The bombers should be tired and have low experience. (I've killed so many). I have CAP up and there are so many ships that he won't be able to concentrate on one. Once this bombardment is over I plan on pulling the ships out of theater either to India or more likely to the south Pacific.
Its possible that he will engage me at Jahora Bhuru with his surface fleet. As a precaution I sent one small bombardment force (4 DD's) toward Mersing to draw off any reaction move. But he may move there on his own since I'm fairly sure he see's my ships coming. In that case we will have an interesting battle and I have some torpedo bombers in Singapore to pick off any resulting cripples.
Port Moresby: The marine division will go ashore tommorow. Also I have F4F's flying CAP and I will see how they do against the zero's flying from LAE and Rabaul.
CV watch: Lex drops to 87sys, 49 flood. I'm mounting a major ASW effort in the area to make sure any subs there are on the run. I worry that at any moment Jwilkerson may send KB toward the Austrailian coast to catch my crippled carriers. Surely he knows where they are. I can only hope he believes they are already sunk. I want to be able to move those carriers to a safer place as soon as they can safely get underway.
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RE: 20-22 Jan
CV watch: Lex drops to 87sys, 49 flood. I'm mounting a major ASW effort in the area to make sure any subs there are on the run. I worry that at any moment Jwilkerson may send KB toward the Austrailian coast to catch my crippled carriers. Surely he knows where they are. I can only hope he believes they are already sunk. I want to be able to move those carriers to a safer place as soon as they can safely get underway.
Try to get them to Brisbane first, then over to Aukland. Many players try to get them to Sydney, but if he goes for a cruise with KB, there toast for sure.[:D]
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Yes I agree!!! I have some minesweepers on patrol in the area of Darwin. Thats the fastet route from where his carriers were last seen. I have a bunch of MSN's,PG's DD's converging on Townsville and Cains. I have a CV plying the route south with ASW aircraft.
I will go south first and then Aukland is a good choice.[:D]
I will go south first and then Aukland is a good choice.[:D]