How do I add Norway to Denmark?

[prielo]

Or Sicily to Naples? Or Finland to Sweden?

When I conquered Denmark, i also got Norway (I had no units in Norway. Sweden came just as it should be during the conqest of Denmark as a two-district minor. Both ninors (Denmark and Norway) came as CONQ. When I declares Denmark "free state", Norway stayed CONQ. Now I want to add ot to Denmark an I don' now how...

Please help. Thanks.


Patrick

[prielo]

Anyone?

[Marshall Ellis]

Are you still getting income from Norway?
Norway has no corps counters so there really is no benefit to adding her BUT if you are not receving income from her then that would be a problem.

[Jimmer]

Marshall,
 
In the board version, it was required that both nations became part of the free state. Also, the practical reason for adding property would be so that the money and manpower gets doubled. For example, I'm Russia in my current game, and Sweden (9/5) plus Finland (3/1?), as conquereds, adds up to $12/6 (3 Infantry and $3), as a conquered. But, as a free state, it would add up to 24/12 (6 Infantry and $6).
 
Sweden without Finland would be $18/10 Swedish plus $3/1 Russian. So, as Russia, I'm losing a half-troop by not including Finland.
 
Certain strategic considerations need to come into play here, though. Not all nations are quite as clearcut as adding Finland to a free Sweden. Denmark and Naples have only 2.0 morale troops, for example. But, in all three cases, they add a navy, which can't be bad.
 
Poland is another one, but this one has more considerations. First, Poland's infantry are better than Prussia's, Russia's, or Austria's, so it seems more of a no-brainer to add more provinces to Poland, so one gets as many of them as possible.
 
However, it's not that clear in Poland's case, because it only has a limited supply of corps in which the factors are useful. Now, the Poland corps could be carried around the map, dropping factors into cities to raise their morale in the case of sieges. But, that's a lot of work (read: money). One can wind up with WAY to many Polish factors on the map after a not-very-long period of time.
 
The Poland case also brings up a question that needs to be thought about for the other minors (even the ones with only one district): "Am I going to have piles of this free state's infantry that I can't use?" Or, "Will I lose money in the long run because I run out of places to put cavalry, so I can't spend all of their money?" This is a very real question for many nations. For ones that can be combined (Confederation of the Rhine, Kingdom of Italy, and Ottoman Empire), this tends to be a non-issue. But, for Hesse and Bavaria, the limit really matters. One will have to have some wars in which to use up those troops, or the long-term payback isn't quite as rosy.

[Jimmer]

Oh, one other consideration: In the case of Sweden, having only the main province be free means that, eventually, the owning major will have to be funding the building of their ships. A free Sweden/Norway can both fund ship-building and pay for all corps counters out of its own money (although, it has to give up some infantry to build heavy ships, in this game).

[Murat]

EiH changed a lot of the minors around making many of them smaller and self-sufficient.

[Jimmer]

So, does that mean it can't be done any more?
 
If so, what about Naples and Sicily? In their case, Naples had an infantry corps counter, but Sicily had the fleet counter. How does that work now?

[Murat]

ORIGINAL: Jimmer

So, does that mean it can't be done any more?

If so, what about Naples and Sicily? In their case, Naples had an infantry corps counter, but Sicily had the fleet counter. How does that work now?

Since they are not listed kingdoms I do not believe you can do this anymore. Naples has all the fleets and corps in this one.

[Jimmer]

Hmm. That's a pretty big change. Usually, someone will grab the island away from France, or France will grab the mainland piece from whomever, and it will stay that way for a long time (especially if GB was the one who took half). It means GB can't take the fleet away from France once France gets it (which is close to inevitable with AIs playing, but pretty common with humans, too).