Resource Types

[Norman42]

ORIGINAL: Froonp

Here are the resources not yet identified (with directions as to where they are).

Clear 65,299 USA (2 hexes SW of Chicago) Coal, very large deposits around Peoria and Springfield
Clear 64,296 USA (W Des Moines) Coal, although it is more SE of Des Moines then W
Clear 69,293 USA (SW Kansas City)Coal, Oil, and LOTS of foodstuffs
Clear 54,273 USA (E Spokane) Magnesium and Tungsten, should be 1h W of Spokane though
Mountain 74,271 USA (NW Los Angeles) ? Only real resources in this area are Oil, not sure what to with this one
Forest 71,307 USA (NW Knoxville) Hex west of Knox = Coal
Mountain 65,310 USA (W Pittsburg) If this is the east of Pittsburg resource, then Coal
Clear 68,306 USA (SW Colombus, Ohio) If this is the SE of Columbus resource, then Coal (not much else there)
Forest 72,306 USA (E Knoxville)Hex NE of Knox = Zinc
Forest 58,283 USA (Billings)Move this northwest to Helena = Copper/Silver. Billings has nothing.
Mountain 68,284 USA (2 hex SW Denver) Molybdenum (huge source)
Mountain 66,278 USA (E Salt Lake City) Lead, or alternatively, move 1hex SW of SLC and Copper/Gold
Mountain 67,269 USA (W Reno, Sierra Nevada) Move 1hex SE of Reno/CarsonCity = Magnesium
Clear 55,296 USA (NW Duluth) Iron (The Iron Range Mountains are here)
Clear 71,299 USA (SE Saint Louis) Lead, large deposits S of StLouis
Mountain 74,304 USA (NE Birmingham, SW Chattanooga) Move it into Birmingham hex = Iron, or Coal where it is.
Clear 51,64 USSR (SE Voronezh) Iron and Titanium are the closest resources here
Clear 43,62 USSR (E Moscow) Phosphates, large deposites E of Moscow
Forest 63,72 USSR (SE Tiflis) This should be moved 1 west of Tiflis, Manganese (largest deposit in Europe)
Forest 39,88 USSR (W Sverdlovsk) Copper
Kokand USSR (3 hex SE Tashkent) Sulphur
Forest 42,87 USSR (2 hex NE Ufa, Urals) Phosphates (also Nickel and Magnesium here)

Added in my research in red.

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[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: Norman42

ORIGINAL: Froonp

Here are the resources not yet identified (with directions as to where they are).

Clear 65,299 USA (2 hexes SW of Chicago) Coal, very large deposits around Peoria and Springfield
Clear 64,296 USA (W Des Moines) Coal, although it is more SE of Des Moines then W
Clear 69,293 USA (SW Kansas City)Coal, Oil, and LOTS of foodstuffs
Clear 54,273 USA (E Spokane) Magnesium and Tungsten, should be 1h W of Spokane though
Mountain 74,271 USA (NW Los Angeles) ? Only real resources in this area are Oil, not sure what to with this one
Forest 71,307 USA (NW Knoxville) Hex west of Knox = Coal
Mountain 65,310 USA (W Pittsburg) If this is the east of Pittsburg resource, then Coal
Clear 68,306 USA (SW Colombus, Ohio) If this is the SE of Columbus resource, then Coal (not much else there)
Forest 72,306 USA (E Knoxville)Hex NE of Knox = Zinc
Forest 58,283 USA (Billings)Move this northwest to Helena = Copper/Silver. Billings has nothing.
Mountain 68,284 USA (2 hex SW Denver) Molybdenum (huge source)
Mountain 66,278 USA (E Salt Lake City) Lead, or alternatively, move 1hex SW of SLC and Copper/Gold
Mountain 67,269 USA (W Reno, Sierra Nevada) Move 1hex SE of Reno/CarsonCity = Magnesium
Clear 55,296 USA (NW Duluth) Iron (The Iron Range Mountains are here)
Clear 71,299 USA (SE Saint Louis) Lead, large deposits S of StLouis
Mountain 74,304 USA (NE Birmingham, SW Chattanooga) Move it into Birmingham hex = Iron, or Coal where it is.
Clear 51,64 USSR (SE Voronezh) Iron and Titanium are the closest resources here
Clear 43,62 USSR (E Moscow) Phosphates, large deposites E of Moscow
Forest 63,72 USSR (SE Tiflis) This should be moved 1 west of Tiflis, Manganese (largest deposit in Europe)
Forest 39,88 USSR (W Sverdlovsk) Copper
Kokand USSR (3 hex SE Tashkent) Sulphur
Forest 42,87 USSR (2 hex NE Ufa, Urals) Phosphates (also Nickel and Magnesium here)

Added in my research in red.

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Thank you. Could you please check my earlier statement that Pittsburgh itself has iron? I gave that answer without looking it up. The Coal in NE Pennsylvania I have seen numerous times with my own eyes. And the coal mines in West Virginia still make headlines with cave-ins periodically.

[Norman42]

Looking at my maps and data, I don't see any Iron right in or near Pittsburgh, but there is a LOT of coal, especially to the south and east side of Pittsburgh. Tons of Coal in eastern Pennsylvania as well, around other 'steel cities', like Scranton, Allentown, and Bethlehem.

I guess Pennsylvania's steel industry imports most of its Iron and uses local Coal.

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: Norman42
Clear 54,273 USA (E Spokane) Magnesium and Tungsten, should be 1h W of Spokane though

Isn't there Tin where the resource is placed ?
I have tin here on a 1970 map.

[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: Norman42



Looking at my maps and data, I don't see any Iron right in or near Pittsburgh, but there is a LOT of coal, especially to the south and east side of Pittsburgh. Tons of Coal in eastern Pennsylvania as well, around other 'steel cities', like Scranton, Allentown, and Bethlehem.

I guess Pennsylvania's steel industry imports most of its Iron and uses local Coal.

Thanks. I just assumed the steel city (Pittsburgh) would have iron ore nearby. I wonder where it comes from.

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: Norman42
Mountain 74,271 USA (NW Los Angeles) ? Only real resources in this area are Oil, not sure what to with this one

I have Tin in this area too.
Also, this resource originaly was not here (someone on the forums convinced me of moving it here), it was placed 2 hexes SE of San Jose. In that position, I see Chrome on my map. I think we should have left that resource at its place and identified it as Chrome, what do you think ?

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: Norman42
Forest 58,283 USA (Billings)Move this northwest to Helena = Copper/Silver. Billings has nothing.

This one is in the Black Hills on the original WiF FE map. On a 1912 US map, I see the word "Tin" written in this place. Is this possible that there is tin inthe Black Hills around Billings (in the east, southeast of Billings, between Billings and Rapid City) ?

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: Norman42
Forest 63,72 USSR (SE Tiflis) This should be moved 1 west of Tiflis, Manganese (largest deposit in Europe)

I prefer not to move it, as this is a critical area of the European map. SE of Tiflis, can't it be Manganese too ?
Edit : I have a map from 1982 about Coal and Major Minerals in Russia, and it show Manganese both NW and SE of Tiflis.

[Reverend Zombie]

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

ORIGINAL: Norman42



Looking at my maps and data, I don't see any Iron right in or near Pittsburgh, but there is a LOT of coal, especially to the south and east side of Pittsburgh. Tons of Coal in eastern Pennsylvania as well, around other 'steel cities', like Scranton, Allentown, and Bethlehem.

I guess Pennsylvania's steel industry imports most of its Iron and uses local Coal.

Thanks. I just assumed the steel city (Pittsburgh) would have iron ore nearby. I wonder where it comes from.

from Encarta:

The iron and steel industry originated in southeastern Pennsylvania near the state’s iron ore deposits. As coke, made from bituminous coal, replaced charcoal as a blast-furnace fuel, the industry moved westward to the Pittsburgh area. Here, bituminous coal was close at hand and iron ore could be shipped in cheaply from the Lake Superior region and abroad. Pittsburgh’s industrialized area later expanded throughout much of southwestern Pennsylvania.

[Norman42]

ORIGINAL: Froonp

ORIGINAL: Norman42
Clear 54,273 USA (E Spokane) Magnesium and Tungsten, should be 1h W of Spokane though

Isn't there Tin where the resource is placed ?
I have tin here on a 1970 map.

On my maps (1934, 1943, 1948) I see no Tin shown, so perhaps that was a later developement.

The Spokane area looks like this:

...................Pb/Zn...............
..........................................
....Mg..................................
..............Spokane.............................Pb/Ag/Zn
..............................W..........


The Magnesium to the northwest looks like the largest deposits, the Tungsten to the immediate SE looks like minor deposits.

The Lead/Zinc deposites to the north are substantial(closer to the Canadian border). The Lead/Silver/Zinc deposits to the far east are actually in the Idaho panhandle (appx 3-4 hexes east) and are the real resources in this area. The bitteroot Range in Idaho is a sustantial mining complex.

So really this resource can be one of many. The Mg to the west I found to be the closest substantial one.

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[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: Norman42
The Lead/Silver/Zinc deposits to the far east are actually in the Idaho panhandle (appx 3-4 hexes east) and are the real resources in this area. The bitteroot Range in Idaho is a sustantial mining complex.

I'm interested in the latest, as this is what correspond the best to the RP placed on the original WiF FE map. Also you say that this is "sustantial mining complex".
Where would you place it on this map ?

[Norman42]

ORIGINAL: Froonp

ORIGINAL: Norman42
Mountain 74,271 USA (NW Los Angeles) ? Only real resources in this area are Oil, not sure what to with this one

I have Tin in this area too.
Also, this resource originaly was not here (someone on the forums convinced me of moving it here), it was placed 2 hexes SE of San Jose. In that position, I see Chrome on my map. I think we should have left that resource at its place and identified it as Chrome, what do you think ?

I have no Tin on any of my maps in this (Los Angeles) area, however as you say 2 Hexes SE of San Jose (the original location) there are extensive Mercury and Asbestos deposits and also some minor Chromium. I think the original location is more accurate, and judging by the size of the deposits I'd say they look like Mercury 60%, Asbestos 20%, Chrome 20%.
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[Norman42]

ORIGINAL: Froonp

ORIGINAL: Norman42
Forest 58,283 USA (Billings)Move this northwest to Helena = Copper/Silver. Billings has nothing.

This one is in the Black Hills on the original WiF FE map. On a 1912 US map, I see the word "Tin" written in this place. Is this possible that there is tin inthe Black Hills around Billings (in the east, southeast of Billings, between Billings and Rapid City) ?

Rechecked all my maps and I see no Tin at all in the Billings region, perhaps the mines were depleted by WW2. I think a key error here is, the Black Hills aren't in Montana(Billings) at all, they are in South Dakota (at Rapid City). The Black Hills have extensive Gold and Silver deposits ("Thar's Gold in them thar hills!").

My recommendation is to move the resource out of Billings and put it *in* the Black Hills at Rapid City. This would entail moving the resource 1hex SE and 1hex E (to the spot printed "Bla" of Black Hills) and add a 1 hex Railway spur going to it. This resource would then be Gold.

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[Norman42]

ORIGINAL: Froonp

ORIGINAL: Norman42
Forest 63,72 USSR (SE Tiflis) This should be moved 1 west of Tiflis, Manganese (largest deposit in Europe)

I prefer not to move it, as this is a critical area of the European map. SE of Tiflis, can't it be Manganese too ?
Edit : I have a map from 1982 about Coal and Major Minerals in Russia, and it show Manganese both NW and SE of Tiflis.

Fair enough, it is fine as Manganese where it is.

[Norman42]

ORIGINAL: Froonp

ORIGINAL: Norman42
The Lead/Silver/Zinc deposits to the far east are actually in the Idaho panhandle (appx 3-4 hexes east) and are the real resources in this area. The bitteroot Range in Idaho is a sustantial mining complex.

I'm interested in the latest, as this is what correspond the best to the RP placed on the original WiF FE map. Also you say that this is "sustantial mining complex".
Where would you place it on this map ?

Move it one hex east of its current location. This would be The lead, silver, and zinc deposits in the Idaho Panhandle centered around Wallace Idaho (tiny town, but the middle of this mining district).

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[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: Reverend Zombie

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

ORIGINAL: Norman42



Looking at my maps and data, I don't see any Iron right in or near Pittsburgh, but there is a LOT of coal, especially to the south and east side of Pittsburgh. Tons of Coal in eastern Pennsylvania as well, around other 'steel cities', like Scranton, Allentown, and Bethlehem.

I guess Pennsylvania's steel industry imports most of its Iron and uses local Coal.

Thanks. I just assumed the steel city (Pittsburgh) would have iron ore nearby. I wonder where it comes from.

from Encarta:

The iron and steel industry originated in southeastern Pennsylvania near the state’s iron ore deposits. As coke, made from bituminous coal, replaced charcoal as a blast-furnace fuel, the industry moved westward to the Pittsburgh area. Here, bituminous coal was close at hand and iron ore could be shipped in cheaply from the Lake Superior region and abroad. Pittsburgh’s industrialized area later expanded throughout much of southwestern Pennsylvania.

Thanks.

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: Norman42
My recommendation is to move the resource out of Billings and put it *in* the Black Hills at Rapid City. This would entail moving the resource 1hex SE and 1hex E (to the spot printed "Bla" of Black Hills) and add a 1 hex Railway spur going to it. This resource would then be Gold.

So, look at the attached map.
One things worries me. You say "put it *in* the Black Hills at Rapid City", and the place you designate is not Rapif City. Look where I placed Rapid City. Am I wrong ?

Move it one hex east of its current location. This would be The lead, silver, and zinc deposits in the Idaho Panhandle centered around Wallace Idaho (tiny town, but the middle of this mining district).

Look at Wallace. Is it good here, as Lead ?

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: Froonp

ORIGINAL: Norman42
My recommendation is to move the resource out of Billings and put it *in* the Black Hills at Rapid City. This would entail moving the resource 1hex SE and 1hex E (to the spot printed "Bla" of Black Hills) and add a 1 hex Railway spur going to it. This resource would then be Gold.

So, look at the attached map.
One things worries me. You say "put it *in* the Black Hills at Rapid City", and the place you designate is not Rapif City. Look where I placed Rapid City. Am I wrong ?

Move it one hex east of its current location. This would be The lead, silver, and zinc deposits in the Idaho Panhandle centered around Wallace Idaho (tiny town, but the middle of this mining district).

Look at Wallace. Is it good here, as Lead ?

I think that what is wrong here, is that I should label the mountains SE of Billings "Bighorn Mountains", and the "Black Hills" are the forested area NW of Rapid City indeed.
Is the resource still right ?

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: Froonp
I think that what is wrong here, is that I should label the mountains SE of Billings "Bighorn Mountains", and the "Black Hills" are the forested area NW of Rapid City indeed.
Is the resource still right ?

Corrected.
Is the position of the resource still OK (as "Gold"), or should it be moved a few hexes toward Rapid City (love that name), so that it is in the Black Hills ?

Is the resource near Spokane OK as "Lead" ?

[marcuswatney]

Soviet Union:
 
Krivoy Rog iron
Kersch iron
1SE Tiflis copper (at Alaverdi)
 
The copper isn't a huge deposit compared to seven other major sites in the USSR (together producing only 5% of the world's output pre-war), so if you want to stretch a point and call it manganese in deference to the huge mine at Chiatura (half-way between Tiflis and the Black Sea), that's fine by me.  The Soviet Union produced 44% of the world's manganese pre-war from just two fields: this one and 1SW Berdiansk (near Stalino).