food for thought: china set up for Day of Infamy

[wfzimmerman]

here is a MWIF beta screen shot showing a set up for Nationalist China in Day of Infamy (1941 two-map).

the HQ is in the mountain hex northwest of Canton defended by the 2-3 AA. my goal was to force the Japanese to defend Canton and Amoy.

thoughts?

[composer99]

Are us non-beta testing types allowed to see this? [:)]

[Jimm]

As far as I understand we are allowed to show a limited number of screenshots to the forum for comment & discussion. What is shown here doesn't give away any game secrets but I think proposes a good talking point for adopting strategy to Euro-scale China map.

[sajbalk]

Can you do the picture so that we can enlarge it? Also, will occupying Macau or E. Timor necessitate a Japanese DOW as it would in the board game?

[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: composer99

Are us non-beta testing types allowed to see this? [:)]

Yes.
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I am planning on letting the Warlords set up anywhere within their restricted movement locations (6 hexes of their city). This isn't quite in accordance with RAW but I do not see why the Warlords have to start in their home cities when the war had been going on for a while by 1939.

Does this cause anyone angst?

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

ORIGINAL: composer99

Are us non-beta testing types allowed to see this? [:)]

Yes.
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I am planning on letting the Warlords set up anywhere within their restricted movement locations (6 hexes of their city). This isn't quite in accordance with RAW but I do not see why the Warlords have to start in their home cities when the war had been going on for a while by 1939.

Does this cause anyone angst?

That's fine by me.
I think that will be fine for all WiF FE players, and I also think that this may become the new standard in the boardgame too (not 6 hexes though, the RAW 2 hexes).

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: sajbalk
Also, will occupying Macau or E. Timor necessitate a Japanese DOW as it would in the board game?

Yes, a Japanese DoW on Portugal.
Or simply wait for the CW DoW on Portugal to align it to Japan and go there in peace.
As in the boardgame.

[brian brian]

Day of Infamy = The Nov/Dec 41 starting turn scenario? I think so.

Does Japan have any Mech at all? (I would think not?) Why not use the excellent river hex adjacent to Canton?

I'm not sure as Japan I would worry about losing Amoy or Pakhoi. I would rather perhaps hope the Chinese step on to the coast where all the WWI BBs can shoot at them. But then the Japanese Marines will probably be busy elsewhere, at least until the summer of 1942 and then refer back to the point about shore bombardment.

[composer99]

Japan, as far as I know, does not start any scenario with Mech/Arm forces. They have to build them.
 
Given the Japanese are about to get busy attacking and defending their overseas perimeter, this set up seems fine for the Nationalists. I would maybe not spread them out so much and start a bit further back so that they are in a better defensive position in case the Japanese find they have the leisure time and units to take a few more whacks at China in 1942.

[Mitchellvitch]

Lord, playing Asia on Euro scale is going to be strange - but wonderful. Lovely to see the screen shot.

[wfzimmerman]

I am working on some better closeup shots, like this, which is at zoom level 5 -- it goes from 1 (global) to 8 (extreme closeup).

[wfzimmerman]

ORIGINAL: wfzimmerman

I am working on some better closeup shots, like this, which is at zoom level 5 -- it goes from 1 (global) to 8 (extreme closeup).

Note the hex control markers. there is a really annoying salient extending east past Kiangsi. I was tempted to simply defend in the mountains along the NE line where the 5-3 and 4-2 are, but I didn't want to deploy too far back -- i wanted to at least threaten something of value to the Japanese.

The "2" over the 5(1)(2) near Kwangtung indicates there are two units there (the bottom is an AA unit -- I suppose it would be more useful with the 5-3).

[jcprom]

Beautiful map. The whole thing looks rather more realistic than WiFFE.

But, unless I missed a key rule, both sides will find it hard to mount even a single attack per season. And the location of this attack will be fairly predictable.

Of course, very high risk attacks (for both sides) are not prohibited...

[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: jcprom

Beautiful map. The whole thing looks rather more realistic than WiFFE.

But, unless I missed a key rule, both sides will find it hard to mount even a single attack per season. And the location of this attack will be fairly predictable.

Of course, very high risk attacks (for both sides) are not prohibited...

Thanks.

I think Fred has in mind threatening to have the Chinese just take a stroll over Japanese controlled hexes. Then they would head for the hills - or at least that is what I would have them do.

[wfzimmerman]

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

ORIGINAL: jcprom

Beautiful map. The whole thing looks rather more realistic than WiFFE.

But, unless I missed a key rule, both sides will find it hard to mount even a single attack per season. And the location of this attack will be fairly predictable.

Of course, very high risk attacks (for both sides) are not prohibited...

Thanks.

I think Fred has in mind threatening to have the Chinese just take a stroll over Japanese controlled hexes. Then they would head for the hills - or at least that is what I would have them do.

Right. I was just asking myself, what can I do that will annoy the Japanese player and force him to deploy something where he doesn't want to.

[Mitchellvitch]

Won't the Japanese attack from the north towards the resource hex north of Hengyang? That would seem to be an achievable objective even for this scenario. They might well be willing to let Swatow and Amoy go if they can take it.

[wfzimmerman]

ORIGINAL: Mitchellvitch

Won't the Japanese attack from the north towards the resource hex north of Hengyang? That would seem to be an achievable objective even for this scenario. They might well be willing to let Swatow and Amoy go if they can take it.

There is an (admittedly thin) cordon in that area not visible on the screenshot. I will upload another one. The area around Hengyang and Changsi gives me fits when I do this setup.

[lomyrin]

In CWiF, ChangSha just north of the resource is a key rail junction city and essential for Japanese control. Although the MWiF map is a little different I would expect the importance of ChangSha to remain high and of course so will the resource hex be.
 
Lars

[wfzimmerman]

ORIGINAL: lomyrin

In CWiF, ChangSha just north of the resource is a key rail junction city and essential for Japanese control. Although the MWiF map is a little different I would expect the importance of ChangSha to remain high and of course so will the resource hex be.

Lars

Lars, what would you do about the salient that juts towards Chekiang in Day of Infamy?

[Mitchellvitch]

I'm puzzled - what is Chengkiang? A region name? Is the salient you refer to us the Chinese territory that extends to the coast? Sorry to be dense. Looks like a tempting spot to interfere with Japanese rail supply, but probably best left empty, I would guess

Lars' point about the ChangSha junction is spot on. But how you hold all this with such a thin line of troops is, for the moment, past me.