The "Actual" Greatest War Movie ever

kevsharr · Post by **kevsharr** » Sun Apr 28, 2002 7:30 pm

I'd have to say Das Boot also,the end had my wife and a few other woman in the audience crying-for the enemy interesting.The beginning at the raucous party was hilarious,I'm refering to the director's cut I saw thing's that were'nt in the origanal theatrical version ,like the sailor's lined up on the side of the road urinating on the passing car's who said the german's were strict diciplinarion's anyway.....To you a hero is somekind of weird sandwich...Oddball

Preuss · Post by **Preuss** » Wed May 01, 2002 9:36 am

I'm surprised nobody mentioned The Blue Max...the only WWI air war flick I've seen worth watching.... Hard to imagine George Peppard as a German, though
But as for my favorite...I have to say Cross of Iron... THe realism is good...the combat better...and something you won't see where American soldiers are the main characters...most of the main characters die...that's realism.

Worst movie....the new U-571....not historically accurate..not visually entertaining...and that Keith fella...he should stick to teen B movies...

And if you're really into torture...see the new Pearl Harbor...it'll make you beg for Tora, Tora, Tora....special effects just can't do a dogfight right, yet.

Happy Trails,

Gary

Hades · Post by **Hades** » Mon Jun 17, 2002 7:34 am

Its been along time since anyone has postd on this but oh well. The best movie ive seen would have to be a recent indie film from bosnia about the bosnia/serbia war during the 90s. Really good but i cant remember the d*mn name. great movie.

screamer · Post by **screamer** » Mon Jun 17, 2002 11:52 am

Originally posted by Hades
Its been along time since anyone has postd on this but oh well. The best movie ive seen would have to be a recent indie film from bosnia about the bosnia/serbia war during the 90s. Really good but i cant remember the d*mn name. great movie.

No mans land

ive seen it too, good movie

Hades · Post by **Hades** » Mon Jun 17, 2002 2:56 pm

yeah thats it. I love that movie.

Les_the_Sarge_9_1 · Post by **Les_the_Sarge_9_1** » Mon Jun 17, 2002 3:56 pm

Hmm glad to see my thread yet still has some life in it hehe.

Belisarius · Post by **Belisarius** » Mon Jun 17, 2002 11:41 pm

Yes, No man's land is truly one of the highlights of the recent years.

....BUT....I wouldn't go as far as calling it a "war" movie. It's more of a sarcastic, black, comedy reflecting the futility of that conflict. The war is more of a setting, a backdrop to the story.

Hades · Post by **Hades** » Tue Jun 18, 2002 2:47 am

Well someone posted Good Morning Vietnam and the war was only a backdrop there too.

Belisarius · Post by **Belisarius** » Tue Jun 18, 2002 10:09 pm

True, not GMV is not really a war movie either...

Les_the_Sarge_9_1 · Post by **Les_the_Sarge_9_1** » Wed Jun 19, 2002 4:52 am

Ok my thread and my comment to boot heheh guess I better defend Good Morning Vietnam.

If it wasn't a war movie what was it?

Sure wasn't a chick flick.
Bears nothing in common with a scifi.
It isnt a thriller or mystery.
Certainly isn't an action film.
I can't say it was a comedy because, well the reason it got to me, was how it made the war so clearly about man's inhumanity to himself.

War movies generally don't make me cry. The carnage of Saving Private Ryan' s beach assault horrified me of course, but it didn't touch me emotionally enough to make me cry.
I cry on Rememberance Day, but the losses of all those young lads that will remain young usually does.

Adrian wasn't in Vietnam sight seeing remember. And he sure wasn't there just to do a dj job. Her might not have commanded any tanks in battle, but the tankers sure loved him.
Often the best people to look to for the truth are comediens.

Has anyone ever read Bill Maudlins book Up Front? It's hilarious. But it's only funny because I can identify with the material. I have almost ghurt myself laughing at his jokes, jokes that a civilian wouldn't even understand as jokes in the first place.

I stand by Good Morning Vietnam as being a powerful war movie.

Sure was a great deal more movie than that piece of garbage Pearl (inspite of all the expensive special effects).

Hades · Post by **Hades** » Wed Jun 19, 2002 6:54 am

i guess ill have too agree with you but the same manly goes for No mans land, too.

PavelPipovitsch · Post by **PavelPipovitsch** » Wed Jun 26, 2002 10:26 pm

Originally posted by Les the Sarge 9-1
Never forget the night me and a friend were watching Patton on tv at his place.

Naturally I had seen it before. I was uttering the words a fraction of a second in advance. Actually sounded like an echo heheh.

His mother looks at me and comically says "you have seen this before haven't you" heheh.

Seen so many war movies with yet another batch of tired old M-46 Pershings or tired M-48's or tired M-60's. And the ever popular M-24 Chaffees cause the Americans have to be seen to have tanks that look smaller than German ones. Amazing what a coat of paint will supposedly due for accuracy heheh.

But I can forgive a film for not having money for then unavailable tanks in large numbers. But bad plots are never excusable.

I read about the making-of of Sam Peckinpah´s "Steiner-The Iron Cross". He planned to include 10 tanks. Then he got delivered only 3 to make scenes (I think the movie was made in Yugoslavia).
But he managed to make a good movie still, and you don´t miss a single russian tank in it.

Belisarius · Post by **Belisarius** » Sat Jul 06, 2002 6:27 pm

Originally posted by PavelPipovitsch

I read about the making-of of Sam Peckinpah´s "Steiner-The Iron Cross". He planned to include 10 tanks. Then he got delivered only 3 to make scenes (I think the movie was made in Yugoslavia).
But he managed to make a good movie still, and you don´t miss a single russian tank in it.

Speaking of tanks in war movies; Imdb.com states that the Tiger in Saving private Ryan is a rebuilt T-34. While it's obviously not a true Tiger, can it really be a T? The size and suspension seem to support that, but why butcher a piece of vintage equipment to build a look-a-like? There must've been cheaper and easier ways to build a Tiger copy?

Anyone have input on this?

Baldrick · Post by **Baldrick** » Fri Jul 19, 2002 12:12 am

My hands down favorite is the Thomas/Borgnine version of "All Quiet on the Western Front". I s'pose that wasn't a theatrical release but it'll hold its own in any list.

msaario · Post by **msaario** » Fri Jul 19, 2002 12:41 pm

Originally posted by Belisarius

Speaking of tanks in war movies; Imdb.com states that the Tiger in Saving private Ryan is a rebuilt T-34. While it's obviously not a true Tiger, can it really be a T? The size and suspension seem to support that, but why butcher a piece of vintage equipment to build a look-a-like? There must've been cheaper and easier ways to build a Tiger copy?

Anyone have input on this?

It's obviously a T34. Like you said, just look at the suspension and the wheels. And the turret position - it's too far ahead. I guess it's easy to weld a piece of metal to make it look boxy?

Someone was wondering (three months ago or so) how he can find the Winter War movie. You can get it from Amazon, at least. It's got some intensive action scenes, but as a movie, it's definitely a bit clumsy. That movie shows first hand how great Suvorov's appraised Red Army tactics were in WW2...

Cross of Iron is definitely a good movie, though it's abit slow at times. My vote goes to Das Boot, though.

--Mikko

Ivan · Post by **Ivan** » Mon Jul 22, 2002 2:25 am

****...tough question....id have to go with...****...no way in hell can i name the best movie...so many great war movies...
anyone ever see "when trumpets fade"? great war movie set in the hurtgen forest.
btw-winterwar aka. talvisota is pretty clumsy in everyway....But ****, those t-26s looks suspisious...where did they get so many of them

msaario · Post by **msaario** » Mon Jul 22, 2002 11:25 am

Originally posted by Ivan
btw-winterwar aka. talvisota is pretty clumsy in everyway....But ****, those t-26s looks suspisious...where did they get so many of them

Industrial Light + Magic?

--Mikko

ananias · Post by **ananias** » Tue Jul 23, 2002 8:56 pm

Originally posted by Ivan
[B btw-winterwar aka. talvisota is pretty clumsy in everyway....But ****, those t-26s looks suspisious...where did they get so many of them [/B]

Doesn´t Parolan panssarimuseo have many working T-26´s? Or so I have heard....What I know is that they do have a working BA-20 (or was it BA-10? Can´t say for sure...) that makes a really quick appearance in the movie....has anyone else spotted it?;)

Ivan · Post by **Ivan** » Wed Jul 24, 2002 2:28 am

dont they also have stugs, t-34s and kv-1s? think i saw a brochure of theirs once

ananias · Post by **ananias** » Wed Jul 24, 2002 7:59 pm

Of course they have all that. Don´t know if they have any working stugs, but I think that there was a working KV-1 in the new version of "Tuntematon Sotilas", directed by R. Molberg.

And about those t-34´s....h_ell, the finnish armoured forces still train with them, don´t they?:)

I visited Parola when I was still a little boy, and was very impressed by all the hardware they had. Don´t remember much about it, though... I guess I should go there again someday.