CleverDevils2 AAR

[Jimmer]

ORIGINAL: Soapy Frog

Wow a conditional for Austria that is uncommon generous! ...!

Actually, while I can't know this for sure, I suspect it was because the Spanish went to war with him against Austria, so it was important to gwheelock to honor that alliance and make sure Spain also got out of the war. While gwheelock is one of the most ruthless players you will ever play against (not to mention one of the best gamers, period), he keeps deals he makes. Very honorable.

In this game (EiA, not just CleverDevils), it is important playing France to be ruthless. Bloodthirsty, even. But, even France needs buddies. So, that combination of player traits makes him a formidable force in this game.

[gwheelock]

ORIGINAL: Jimmer

ORIGINAL: Soapy Frog

Wow a conditional for Austria that is uncommon generous! ...!

Actually, while I can't know this for sure, I suspect it was because the Spanish went to war with him against Austria, so it was important to gwheelock to honor that alliance and make sure Spain also got out of the war. While gwheelock is one of the most ruthless players you will ever play against (not to mention one of the best gamers, period), he keeps deals he makes. Very honorable.

In this game (EiA, not just CleverDevils), it is important playing France to be ruthless. Bloodthirsty, even. But, even France needs buddies. So, that combination of player traits makes him a formidable force in this game.

Getting Spain out of the war (with some profit to him) was certainly a big part of my thinking. He entered
the war at my request & didn't manage to win any significant amount of pp's so I wanted to get him some
territory & etc. for his time. (IMHO if you do not consider your allies in situations like this; you will soon
have - and deserve - none).

Even France needs allies. France can beat ANYone - he can't beat EVERYone (at least not at the same time).



Another factor was that I am going to need more pp's in 18 months or so & if I leave the Austrians with the
nucleus of an army; he might be feeling "feisty" enough by then to provide them. And - since I would be maxing out (now)
with just a conditional - I didn't need more at this time.

[gwheelock]

ORIGINAL: Jimmer

Just one comment: GB never actually agreed to that deal. I listened to the offer, but never commited.

Also, IF the game does what it says it should in the rules (which I doubt), the fleet in Amsterdam will still have to evacuate before his naval phase. We're both guessing that it will just happily sit there. 19 British boys wasted because of yet another bug. Why don't the FRENCH ever see bugs that kill HIS troops?

This is true. I thought we had a deal; but we never actually finalized it.
As an update (France's Sept 1806 Naval phase) - the Amsterdam fleet
did NOT automatically evac; so I did a manual sortie attempt. The
results are that Holland lost 9 heavys & Britian lost 1. (This is
as close as I can come to correcting for the problem within the current
game limits).

I don't see bugs that kill French troops because I don't put them out where
they can be killed. The non-evac bug didn't kill your troops ... they would
have died anyway - I did the strike-back in the same month/land phase that
you landed in & you wouldn't have been able to escape.

(& yes some of the bugs are in your favor too - being able to land, break-in,
kill the fleet and then have YOUR fleet automatically moved from the blockade
box to the city so that you can leave again in the next naval phase instead of having
to take a turn to move your fleet from the blockade box to the port is a
bug that FAVORS Britain)

[Jimmer]

ORIGINAL: gwheelock
This is true. I thought we had a deal; but we never actually finalized it.

The way I figured it, you would trade 13 ships for 20 British troops any day of the week. What I did NOT figure was that you would get the 20 for nothing (until honor stepped up to the plate). I'm glad it worked out that way, though. We never would have known about the naval bug if it hadn't shaken out this way. And, I'm harboring no illusions about winning this game anyhow.

[Jimmer]

ORIGINAL: gwheelock
(& yes some of the bugs are in your favor too - being able to land, break-in,
kill the fleet and then have YOUR fleet automatically moved from the blockade
box to the city so that you can leave again in the next naval phase instead of having
to take a turn to move your fleet from the blockade box to the port is a
bug that FAVORS Britain)

Good point.

By the way, if you had not broken in, I was going to leave them in Amsterdam for an extra month for that very reason. I shouldn't have used it the first time around, either, but hadn't thought of this option then.

[gwheelock]

Ok; here are some results from Sept 1806.

France attempts breakin in Hamberg - unsuccessful.

France attempts breakin in Stetting - successful

France conquors Mecklenberg from Russia.

[gwheelock]

Here are the political rankings as of Sept 1806

[gwheelock]

And here are the vp status

[Jimmer]

I forgot to make the attempt to cede that property to the Prussians. I would hope that the game wouldn't allow me to (since there are Frenchies present), but I wanted to see how far it would let me go.
 
Does anybody know if the game properly handles blocking ceding attempts while an enemy roosts in the property?

[Jimmer]

ORIGINAL: Soapy Frog

Wow a conditional for Austria that is uncommon generous! And I see Russia is next on the menu... it's like a three course meal where you saved some extra room for dessert!

Actually, Russia most likely is NOT on the menu for France, because she can't get there. Except for those three minors. Of course, this assumes someone prevents France from running across those islands to Copenhagen.

[gwheelock]

ORIGINAL: Jimmer

ORIGINAL: Soapy Frog

Wow a conditional for Austria that is uncommon generous! And I see Russia is next on the menu... it's like a three course meal where you saved some extra room for dessert!

Actually, Russia most likely is NOT on the menu for France, because she can't get there. Except for those three minors. Of course, this assumes someone prevents France from running across those islands to Copenhagen.

"Can't get there"??? This also assumes that someone prevents me from taking "access" & polish territories from Prussia
as well.

We just finished the "3rd coalition" ... its now time for the "4th" ... & yes I am running late on my wars - but I am catching
up ... the 3rd coalition wars were 1 year late; the 4th coalition wars will only be 6 months late & I hope to be completely
caught up by the 5th (at least the danube campaine portion - I plan to skip the peninsular part of that war completely)

[Jimmer]

ORIGINAL: gwheelock
"Can't get there"??? This also assumes that someone prevents me from taking "access" & polish territories from Prussia
as well.

Ahhh, but that wouldn't make Russia NEXT, would it? PRUSSIA would be next, follow by Russia.

[NeverMan]

You guys are really getting ahead of yourselves. Well, put me on the list and come and get some.

[gwheelock]

ORIGINAL: Jimmer

ORIGINAL: gwheelock
"Can't get there"??? This also assumes that someone prevents me from taking "access" & polish territories from Prussia
as well.

Ahhh, but that wouldn't make Russia NEXT, would it? PRUSSIA would be next, follow by Russia.

Depends on how you define "next" now doesn't it. If you define it by the START of the war;
then Russia is indeed "next" since that war has officially started & the Prussian one has not.
It's just that there may be intervening French-Prussian battles between the conquest of
the Russian minors near Denmark and the conclusion. (Maybe I can get the Russian player
to come & fight up in "Area769" - thats about as close to Tilsit as I can figure ... If not; well
I figure that I have enough time to chase him to Moscow if need be.)

[Jimmer]

I guess you are right; there could be other ways of defining "next". I was thinking chronologically.

[gwheelock]

Ok; more updates :

October : 1806

France DOWs Holstein (unclaimed since lost by Russia) ,
Prussia gets control & France makes successful breakin.
Casulties are 2 Holstein I; no French I

Edit: Opps - just remembered - this was Sept; not Oct
Spain DOWs Venice; Britain gets control

France makes unsuccessful breakin attempts on Hamberg & Straslund

France conquors Pommeramia from Britain.


November : 1806

Britain DOWs uncontrolled Dalmatia; France gets control &
does not place Dalmatia I to prevent Britain from gaining an
extra pp from winning a fletched city combat.

Straslund garrison fails forage & is eliminated (1 Danish I).

France makes successful breakin in Hamberg.
Casulties 2 Russian M; no French losses

France conquors Holstein from Prussia.

Spain makes successful breakin in Venice & eliminates
the Venice garrison (during NAVAL combat phase )

[Jimmer]

ORIGINAL: gwheelock
Britain DOWs uncontrolled Dalmatia; France gets control &
does not place Dalmatia I to prevent Britain from gaining an
extra pp from winning a fletched city combat.

Interesting strategy.

[gwheelock]

ORIGINAL: Jimmer

ORIGINAL: gwheelock
Britain DOWs uncontrolled Dalmatia; France gets control &
does not place Dalmatia I to prevent Britain from gaining an
extra pp from winning a fletched city combat.

Interesting strategy.

Besides; I forgot to place them & clicked thru the end-of-turn too quick.
(But listing it as part of a strategy ploy sounds better then saying I screwed up)

[Jimmer]

I always suspected Napoleon's victories were more luck than sense ....

[fatfloyd]

I believe if you set the garrison's orders to surrender on breach you can stop the PP gain for the attacker and make him roll to take the city.